Dog/Farm People - Is there a Way?
Tia Leschke
to stop a dog from killing chickens once he's started? Our dog has now
killed 3 chickens, one when he was quite young, the other two recently.
Yesterday, dh was working in the yard and throwing a stick for him. He
thinks maybe he accidentally threw it into the chicken pen, because the next
thing he knew, Toby was in the pen (under the fence?) killing one of the
chickens. When the rooster tried to protect her, Toby went after him.
While Rod was taking him out of the pen, Toby broke away a couple more times
and went after one of the chickens. For now, he will never be trusted in
our yard unless one of us has our attention solely on him, but Rod is
talking about, "once a killer always a killer". I don't want to have to put
him down if there's anything we can do. For the record, he's half Britanny
Spaniel, so it's in his nature to go after birds.
Tia
killed 3 chickens, one when he was quite young, the other two recently.
Yesterday, dh was working in the yard and throwing a stick for him. He
thinks maybe he accidentally threw it into the chicken pen, because the next
thing he knew, Toby was in the pen (under the fence?) killing one of the
chickens. When the rooster tried to protect her, Toby went after him.
While Rod was taking him out of the pen, Toby broke away a couple more times
and went after one of the chickens. For now, he will never be trusted in
our yard unless one of us has our attention solely on him, but Rod is
talking about, "once a killer always a killer". I don't want to have to put
him down if there's anything we can do. For the record, he's half Britanny
Spaniel, so it's in his nature to go after birds.
Tia
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In a message dated 12/16/2002 5:09:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
leschke@... writes:
I have no answer for you unless you're willing to put in some SERIOUS time
and effort. Maybe more than you can imagine. It IS possible, but how hard do
you want to work? Would you rather just keep him away from chickens? That
would be easier.
~Kelly
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leschke@... writes:
> For the record, he's half BritannyBut he's NOT supposed to kill them.
> Spaniel, so it's in his nature to go after birds.
>
I have no answer for you unless you're willing to put in some SERIOUS time
and effort. Maybe more than you can imagine. It IS possible, but how hard do
you want to work? Would you rather just keep him away from chickens? That
would be easier.
~Kelly
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
shoshana
We have 2 dogs and 4 chickens (one of which is a rooster). The male dog is
half malamute and half wolf. He used to chase the chickens and tried to get
them and then stopped. Now they treat him like he is their
father...lol...they sleeep with him and the hole bit. The other dog is a
black lab and pit bull female and she doesn't get it at all. She loves to
chase the chickens and the cats. NOTHING stops her. She has to be watched
always. And she tries to go for blood...sigh. So I don't know about the
addage once a killer always a killer.
Shoshana
half malamute and half wolf. He used to chase the chickens and tried to get
them and then stopped. Now they treat him like he is their
father...lol...they sleeep with him and the hole bit. The other dog is a
black lab and pit bull female and she doesn't get it at all. She loves to
chase the chickens and the cats. NOTHING stops her. She has to be watched
always. And she tries to go for blood...sigh. So I don't know about the
addage once a killer always a killer.
Shoshana
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tia Leschke" <leschke@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 2:08 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Dog/Farm People - Is there a Way?
> to stop a dog from killing chickens once he's started? Our dog has now
> killed 3 chickens, one when he was quite young, the other two recently.
> Yesterday, dh was working in the yard and throwing a stick for him. He
> thinks maybe he accidentally threw it into the chicken pen, because the
next
> thing he knew, Toby was in the pen (under the fence?) killing one of the
> chickens. When the rooster tried to protect her, Toby went after him.
> While Rod was taking him out of the pen, Toby broke away a couple more
times
> and went after one of the chickens. For now, he will never be trusted in
> our yard unless one of us has our attention solely on him, but Rod is
> talking about, "once a killer always a killer". I don't want to have to
put
> him down if there's anything we can do. For the record, he's half
Britanny
> Spaniel, so it's in his nature to go after birds.
> Tia
>
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>For the record, he's half Britanny~~~~~
> Spaniel, so it's in his nature to go after birds.
>
>But he's NOT supposed to kill them.time
>I have no answer for you unless you're willing to put in some SERIOUS
>and effort. Maybe more than you can imagine. It IS possible, but howhard do
>you want to work? Would you rather just keep him away from chickens?That
>would be easier.~~~
Could he wear a muzzle or a (what are they called?) a gentler(?) while
he's outside or around the chickens?
I don't know if those are ethical, but if so, maybe for just when he'd
be out and you couldn't watch him?
You know, Tia, my sister had a Brittany and I think she had trouble with
him going after her ducks a time or two. I'll ask what she did, they
found some way to manage because he just recently passed away from very
old age.
Deb L
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<ddzimlew@j...> wrote:
happened several times, the last time it did, I picked up the dead
chicken took it in the house and emptied a whole bottle of hot
tabasco sauce on it. Went out and gave it to the dog, he grabbed it
then dropped it, never chased another chicken again. ~>Chloe
<ddzimlew@j...> wrote:
> >For the record, he's half BritannyYou may not like the way we stopped ours from killing chickens. It
> > Spaniel, so it's in his nature to go after birds.
> >
> ~~~~~
happened several times, the last time it did, I picked up the dead
chicken took it in the house and emptied a whole bottle of hot
tabasco sauce on it. Went out and gave it to the dog, he grabbed it
then dropped it, never chased another chicken again. ~>Chloe
Nora or Devereaux Cannon
You should bury about 6-8 inches of the chicken yard fencing in
the ground to keep out not just dogs, but also foxes, raccoons,
and other vermin. We have a neighbor dog who will go after any
of our chickens that get out, in which case you have to make some
choices about how seriously to keep the chickens in vs the joy of
yard birds. We have achieved a happy ecology by making it semi
difficult for the hens to fly out, resulting in only the
brightest (yes they are smarter than you think) chickens doing
it - they are also bright enough to avoid the dog. It helps that
we have a collie who enjoys herding the hens - and will protect
them from the neighbor dog if need be - though the 2 dogs are
"best friends" other times.
the ground to keep out not just dogs, but also foxes, raccoons,
and other vermin. We have a neighbor dog who will go after any
of our chickens that get out, in which case you have to make some
choices about how seriously to keep the chickens in vs the joy of
yard birds. We have achieved a happy ecology by making it semi
difficult for the hens to fly out, resulting in only the
brightest (yes they are smarter than you think) chickens doing
it - they are also bright enough to avoid the dog. It helps that
we have a collie who enjoys herding the hens - and will protect
them from the neighbor dog if need be - though the 2 dogs are
"best friends" other times.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tia Leschke" <leschke@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 4:08 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Dog/Farm People - Is there a Way?
| to stop a dog from killing chickens once he's started? Our dog
has now
| killed 3 chickens, one when he was quite young, the other two
recently.
| Yesterday, dh was working in the yard and throwing a stick for
him. He
| thinks maybe he accidentally threw it into the chicken pen,
because the next
| thing he knew, Toby was in the pen (under the fence?) killing
one of the
| chickens. When the rooster tried to protect her, Toby went
after him.
| While Rod was taking him out of the pen, Toby broke away a
couple more times
| and went after one of the chickens. For now, he will never be
trusted in
| our yard unless one of us has our attention solely on him, but
Rod is
| talking about, "once a killer always a killer". I don't want
to have to put
| him down if there's anything we can do. For the record, he's
half Britanny
| Spaniel, so it's in his nature to go after birds.
| Tia
|
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Tia Leschke
>We don't generally let him out when we aren't watching, but we've been
> Could he wear a muzzle or a (what are they called?) a gentler(?) while
> he's outside or around the chickens?
> I don't know if those are ethical, but if so, maybe for just when he'd
> be out and you couldn't watch him?
trying to have him out with us when we're doing things in the yard. It's
those times, when our attention is elsewhere briefly, that this happens.
>Yes, I would like to know what she did. Thanks.
> You know, Tia, my sister had a Brittany and I think she had trouble with
> him going after her ducks a time or two. I'll ask what she did, they
> found some way to manage because he just recently passed away from very
> old age.
Tia
Tia Leschke
>do
> I have no answer for you unless you're willing to put in some SERIOUS time
> and effort. Maybe more than you can imagine. It IS possible, but how hard
> you want to work? Would you rather just keep him away from chickens? ThatThat's probably what I'm going to do, but I *would* be interested in knowing
> would be easier.
how you'd go about it.
Tia
Tia Leschke
It helps that
absolutely no fear. But I wonder if this could have all started as a desire
to herd them. He's also part border collie.
Tia
> we have a collie who enjoys herding the hens - and will protectAround here it's our little bitty kitty who likes to heard them. She has
> them from the neighbor dog if need be - though the 2 dogs are
> "best friends" other times.
absolutely no fear. But I wonder if this could have all started as a desire
to herd them. He's also part border collie.
Tia
Tia Leschke
>Herd! herd! I *know* that. And I hate when I forget to proofread.
> It helps that
> > we have a collie who enjoys herding the hens - and will protect
> > them from the neighbor dog if need be - though the 2 dogs are
> > "best friends" other times.
>
> Around here it's our little bitty kitty who likes to heard them.
Tia