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In a message dated 12/12/2002 12:00:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bluelotus@... writes:
> I agree with you. It seems that there is a few people here that run the list
> and they either completely ignore newcomers with their questions and
> concerns, or they run them over. Sometimes I wonder if this is really an
> "open" list or if it's "moderated" from within by the *unschooling police*.
>
> I had to say this, because I've noticed the same trend you have.


The really cool thing about e-lists is that you can unsub at any time (check
the bottom of every post---directions!). No one is forcing anyone to remain
where they are uncomfortable. REALLY!

As Frank Smith says, "We learn from the company we keep." The majority here
LIKE the company more than 90% of the time---or we ignore it.

I guess this group IS kinda the "Unschooling Police Force". I LIKE that. If
you're not sure what IS unschooling---really unschooling---the unschooling
that leaks into parenting and into a lifestyle, you come here. Ask away: free
advice and neat real life stories just for the asking! I've found the most
articulate, sensitive, and insightful folks I've ever met HERE, in this forum
(and I've even had quite a few of them in my back yard! WOW!).

But if you're not happy, there are options. Several folks have started their
own unschooling lists after leaving Unschoolingdotcom in a huff. Those lists
don't seem to last long though! And who wants a watered-down version of
unschooling? Well, I guess there ARE a few---and those lists are out there.

And all lists that I've found have a handful of "regular" posters and MANY
lurkers. What's this list up to? 8-900? How many post on a regular basis?
25-30? with 10 major "leaders"? Just like every other list I've been on. The
"leaders" are those that have more experience, more knowledge, and better
ways of explaining things.

Compassion? Well, that comes and goes! <G> How many times can one hear the
same lame excuses without getting a bit peeved? Some handle it better than
others, certainly. But newbies are advised from the get-go to sit back and
read a while, to comb the archives, and "get the feel" of this list before
jumping in. There is also the excellent resource of the unschooling.com
message boards---actually easier to read than the archives (those damned
pop-ups!) with many of these same posters and others who don't like e-lists,
(like AnneO). It's often (but not always) gentler there.

The "tone" of some posts may be bothersome---just as with any large group.
But if you read them with humor and laughter in your "head-voice", it'll come
out better. I've met MANY of these posters---they are VERY funny and maybe a
little sarcastic (you all know who you are! <BWEG>), but none of it's meant
in a mean way (well, unless they're attacked; then things can get mean).

Keep the laughter button turned on in you "head-voice", read/listen sweetly,
and keep an open mind--just like with your children! There's gobs of info
here if you're willing to listen. And if not, there are other lists.

~Kelly


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Fetteroll

on 12/15/02 10:35 AM, kbcdlovejo@... at kbcdlovejo@... wrote:

> actually easier to read than the archives (those damned
> pop-ups!)

Not to detract from the more important points Kelly was making :-) but when
you click on Messages over on the left of the archives there's an "Expand
Messages" link a couple of lines up from the list of messages. That will
give you 15 or 20 messages -- sort of like a digest -- with no ads. And you
can keep paging through them a 15-20 messages at a time.

It doesn't work with the Search Archive feature, though.

Joyce

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In a message dated 12/15/2002 10:59:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fetteroll@... writes:


> Not to detract from the more important points Kelly was making :-) but when
> you click on Messages over on the left of the archives there's an "Expand
> Messages" link a couple of lines up from the list of messages. That will
> give you 15 or 20 messages -- sort of like a digest -- with no ads. And you
> can keep paging through them a 15-20 messages at a time.
>

COOL!


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In a message dated 6/4/2003 11:41:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> p.s. Do any of you belong to a local homeschool support group? How
> supportive are they with unschool?

I was. And they weren't.

So I started my OWN group! It's been hugely rewarding and we've got
alternative types and unschoolers slowly coming out of lurking to join our group. It's
awesome.

Ren


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Backstrom kelli

where is your group Ren?

starsuncloud@... wrote:In a message dated 6/4/2003 11:41:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> p.s. Do any of you belong to a local homeschool support group? How
> supportive are they with unschool?

I was. And they weren't.

So I started my OWN group! It's been hugely rewarding and we've got
alternative types and unschoolers slowly coming out of lurking to join our group. It's
awesome.

Ren


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Barb Eaton

Thanks for pulling this out Ren. I missed it. ;-)
I've been tossing around starting an unschooler group here but I'm kinda
apprehensive. Any sugestions? I'm really not into debate or arguing. So many
people think unschooling is eclectic. I know it may be a step to it
but...Plus I just don't want to start it alone. Maybe after the conference
I'll be braver and more committed to community.


Barb E
"The function of the child is to live his own life - not the life that his
anxious parents think he should live."
A S Neill




>> p.s. Do any of you belong to a local homeschool support group? How
>> supportive are they with unschool?
>
> I was. And they weren't.
>
> So I started my OWN group! It's been hugely rewarding and we've got
> alternative types and unschoolers slowly coming out of lurking to join our
> group. It's
> awesome.
>
> Ren

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In a message dated 6/5/2003 8:32:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> where is your group Ren?

In Pensacola, FL. You can check us out at pensacolaunschoolers.com if you'd
like.:)

Ren


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In a message dated 6/5/2003 11:32:25 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> I've been tossing around starting an unschooler group here but I'm
> kinda
> apprehensive. Any sugestions? I'm really not into debate or arguing.

Well our group is inclusive, so it's not just unschoolers, but we attract the
eclectic/relaxed types more readily than the schoolish types. Some structured
people show up, but because there isn't any academic stuff going on, they
soon quit coming.
I just make it really clear in our wording, that all activities will be
handled with unschooling philosphies as the guide. Some Moms have tried to
manipulate the way we did things, but I gently put an end to it.
That's the beauty of it being a group YOU start. They will more readily
accept when you say "we don't run things that way." After all, if they don't like
it, they can start their own group!!

Ren


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Barb Eaton

I kinda figured that it would have to be inclusive. We have an inclusive
group but it tens to be....well. I'm still tossing it around. ;-)

Barb E
"By learning to be with myself, to bring peace to myself,
I can be more effective both in creating happiness in my
own life and in offering a helping hand to others."

- Ingrid Bacci, Author




>
> Well our group is inclusive, so it's not just unschoolers, but we attract the
> eclectic/relaxed types more readily than the schoolish types. Some structured
> people show up, but because there isn't any academic stuff going on, they
> soon quit coming.
> I just make it really clear in our wording, that all activities will be
> handled with unschooling philosphies as the guide. Some Moms have tried to
> manipulate the way we did things, but I gently put an end to it.
> That's the beauty of it being a group YOU start. They will more readily
> accept when you say "we don't run things that way." After all, if they don't
> like
> it, they can start their own group!!
>
> Ren

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In a message dated 7/21/2003 1:57:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rubyprincesstsg@... writes:


> Some of the other lists ARE getting regular posts, the unschooling 101 has
> plenty to keep me busy most days.
>

The last post to Unschooling 101 was July 15th.

~Kelly


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In a message dated 7/21/03 12:05:58 PM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:

<< > Some of the other lists ARE getting regular posts, the unschooling 101
has
> plenty to keep me busy most days.
>

The last post to Unschooling 101 was July 15th. >>

MOST days, Kelly.
If you read the implication that someone was saying that the list was active,
that was YOU reading into it. Why don't you ask questions if you don't
understand?


(That was sarcasm. When people suggest a list is healthily busy and it's
kind of a-snooze, that's a waste of this list's time, in my opinion. But luckily
there are some unhappy people here who think this list is awful, and the
address of other, more peaceful lists, could give them a really peaceful place to
go.

Sandra

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In a message dated 7/21/2003 4:23:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
leschke@... writes:
> Maybe we need another list on the side to
> > discuss this list.
>
> That's what we need, Helen. A list where people can go and bitch about this
> list and let us get on with the useful discussions.

That was the idea I had: we need TWO new lists.

The "Discussing the Discussion List List"

and

The "SPANKING Unschoolers List" (oxymoronic, but....seems there's a market)

~Kelly, dripping with sarcasm



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Lee-Ann and Robert Storer

I really want to read about not spanking. Please change the subject line to reflect the subject so I don't delete any 'good' stuff!!!

Most Respectfully
Lee-Ann in Harrow, Victoria, Australia, The World
roflmao inappropriately as is my want (whatever that means lol)




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In a message dated 9/23/2003 12:21:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
9. Ignore what you don't like. It might be something others like a lot.<<<


I've been having to remind myself of this for the last week!

~Kelly <g>


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