Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] college courses
Alan & Brenda Leonard
12/9/02 12:13:
But Beth, just think how smart you are now! If life is such a great teacher
that we trust our children to learn from it, you've had a lot more learning
than most college students!
I think this is a side-effect our preoccupation as a society with age and
doing things younger and younger. Even if I played cello as well as a
couple of the prodigies now running around the world (and I don't!), nobody
would be interested in me because I'm not 10 or 12 or 8. We're impressed
with kids who go to college at 15, but not with people who wait until
they're older and know what they want to study and why they need this
degree. Why?
Personally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
children should easily be able to tackle college classes.
brenda
> Oh my goodness! I've been thinking about going to college but I'm scared toBeth,
> death! I moved out of my parent's home at 17 and went right to work - never
> had the college experience! At 46, the thought of even going to the local
> junior college is enough to give me heart palpitations :)
But Beth, just think how smart you are now! If life is such a great teacher
that we trust our children to learn from it, you've had a lot more learning
than most college students!
I think this is a side-effect our preoccupation as a society with age and
doing things younger and younger. Even if I played cello as well as a
couple of the prodigies now running around the world (and I don't!), nobody
would be interested in me because I'm not 10 or 12 or 8. We're impressed
with kids who go to college at 15, but not with people who wait until
they're older and know what they want to study and why they need this
degree. Why?
Personally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
children should easily be able to tackle college classes.
brenda
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/10/02 7:10:12 AM !!!First Boot!!!, abtleo@...
writes:
confidence in me then I do in myself :)
Beth
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writes:
> Personally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raiseLOL! You sound like my teenage and college age daughters - who have far more
> children should easily be able to tackle college classes.
>
> brenda
>
confidence in me then I do in myself :)
Beth
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Kelli Traaseth
Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...> wrote: **But Beth, just think how smart you are now! If life is such a great teacher
that we trust our children to learn from it, you've had a lot more learning
than most college students!
I think this is a side-effect our preoccupation as a society with age and
doing things younger and younger. Even if I played cello as well as a
couple of the prodigies now running around the world (and I don't!), nobody
would be interested in me because I'm not 10 or 12 or 8. We're impressed
with kids who go to college at 15, but not with people who wait until
they're older and know what they want to study and why they need this
degree. Why?
Personally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
children should easily be able to tackle college classes.**
Well put Brenda,
Ditto for me, you would do just fine, go for it!
Kelli
12/9/02 12:13:
But Beth, just think how smart you are now! If life is such a great teacher
that we trust our children to learn from it, you've had a lot more learning
than most college students!
I think this is a side-effect our preoccupation as a society with age and
doing things younger and younger. Even if I played cello as well as a
couple of the prodigies now running around the world (and I don't!), nobody
would be interested in me because I'm not 10 or 12 or 8. We're impressed
with kids who go to college at 15, but not with people who wait until
they're older and know what they want to study and why they need this
degree. Why?
Personally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
children should easily be able to tackle college classes.
brenda
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that we trust our children to learn from it, you've had a lot more learning
than most college students!
I think this is a side-effect our preoccupation as a society with age and
doing things younger and younger. Even if I played cello as well as a
couple of the prodigies now running around the world (and I don't!), nobody
would be interested in me because I'm not 10 or 12 or 8. We're impressed
with kids who go to college at 15, but not with people who wait until
they're older and know what they want to study and why they need this
degree. Why?
Personally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
children should easily be able to tackle college classes.**
Well put Brenda,
Ditto for me, you would do just fine, go for it!
Kelli
12/9/02 12:13:
> Oh my goodness! I've been thinking about going to college but I'm scared toBeth,
> death! I moved out of my parent's home at 17 and went right to work - never
> had the college experience! At 46, the thought of even going to the local
> junior college is enough to give me heart palpitations :)
But Beth, just think how smart you are now! If life is such a great teacher
that we trust our children to learn from it, you've had a lot more learning
than most college students!
I think this is a side-effect our preoccupation as a society with age and
doing things younger and younger. Even if I played cello as well as a
couple of the prodigies now running around the world (and I don't!), nobody
would be interested in me because I'm not 10 or 12 or 8. We're impressed
with kids who go to college at 15, but not with people who wait until
they're older and know what they want to study and why they need this
degree. Why?
Personally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
children should easily be able to tackle college classes.
brenda
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In a message dated 12/10/02 7:23:06 AM, kellitraas@... writes:
<< ersonally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
children should easily be able to tackle college classes.** >>
All except the part where you accept oppressive and arbitrary rules and
regulations and inflexibility. Some people are way too smart and experienced
in real life to accept the hazing abuse that happens in some classes (NOT ALL
OF THE CLASSES!)
Sandra
<< ersonally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
children should easily be able to tackle college classes.** >>
All except the part where you accept oppressive and arbitrary rules and
regulations and inflexibility. Some people are way too smart and experienced
in real life to accept the hazing abuse that happens in some classes (NOT ALL
OF THE CLASSES!)
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/10/02 9:44:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
had my first son in Nov 1986. I went to college Aug 2000. I go to a
community college and my major is business admin with a concentration on
E-commerce. I have been pretty much disgusted with my waste of time. Aside
from my Accounting and Business Law class.. and one class called Principles
of Web Design, in which I learned HTML, I havent learned anything I didnt
already know, or could learn very easily in my own research. . Most of my
"major" classes are redundant. The topics are covered over and over and over
in each class. My GOD.. sometimes I want to pull my hair out. I even told
my instuctors for one class this semester that I just use my "old work" to
turn in. What has taken over 2 years to cover could have been covered in 6
weeks. EASILY. And, I have also found that the majority of High School Srs
that end up going to Community College are sadly lacking in any academic
skills. Kids struggle for C's or to just pass a class. I am raising my
own 4 children, managing my household, and going to school, and getting A's
has been little effort. Its not because I am some kind of super whiz.. LOL.
its just because these kids dont really know how to learn independently..
They expect to be spoon fed. I have taken as many classes online as I have
on campus. I LOVE the online courses because I dont have to deal with the
instructors ridiculous rules and redundant lectures.. In one class I had.. We
had a text book..with a CD that also covered main topics.. The teacher would
lecture on the topics along with a slide presentation. I was like
GEEZOMITEY, why cant I just read the book?????.. I will say, going back to
school myself has only made me empathize with my children in ps. The only
reason I went back was to get the "papers" to prove I know what I am doing,
to help me get a job. Unfortunately, in this day and age, folks cant go
apply for a job and just say.. Yeah, I can do that. You have to PROVE you've
had the education or the experience ( preferrably both) My advice to
anyone going back to college is.. You CAN do it.. Dont be intimidated. You
will be surprised at how easy it is.. But, be prepared to have homework, do a
lot of busy work, and basically appease your instructors to prove you know
the material... yeah, just like "regular" school I have been so
disappointed that adults are treated like elementary school children. One
time, a student quietly and politely got up during class to leave. The
teacher stopped teaching and said "excuse me, class is not over, where do you
think you are going" The student said..,"i have an appointment" The teacher
said.. "at 12:00? arent most folks out to lunch'? The student was obviously
flustered and angry, . She said.."Yes, I have an appt at 12:30, do you want
me to bring an excuse?" The teacher said.."well, just try to schedule your
appts around class time. .. The student left and slammed the door. I was
APPALLED.. I swear.. I wanted to get up and leave myself. I SO wished it was
me.. I would have said something like.. "Uhh, I have a highly contagious
sexually transmitted disease, I am going for my transfusion".. Or maybe.. "I
have diarrreha and I just soiled myself.". Or heck, even,"I have a date with
your husband to do him good during lunch". LMAO.. Or good and simple, "Its
none of your business where I am going, I paid to take this class and I will
get up and leave if I %(&%&$#) please!" OK enough rambling for me.
Teresa
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> All except the part where you accept oppressive and arbitrary rules andI graduated from High School in June 1985, got married in August 1985 and
> regulations and inflexibility. Some people are way too smart and
> experienced
> in real life to accept the hazing abuse that happens in some classes
had my first son in Nov 1986. I went to college Aug 2000. I go to a
community college and my major is business admin with a concentration on
E-commerce. I have been pretty much disgusted with my waste of time. Aside
from my Accounting and Business Law class.. and one class called Principles
of Web Design, in which I learned HTML, I havent learned anything I didnt
already know, or could learn very easily in my own research. . Most of my
"major" classes are redundant. The topics are covered over and over and over
in each class. My GOD.. sometimes I want to pull my hair out. I even told
my instuctors for one class this semester that I just use my "old work" to
turn in. What has taken over 2 years to cover could have been covered in 6
weeks. EASILY. And, I have also found that the majority of High School Srs
that end up going to Community College are sadly lacking in any academic
skills. Kids struggle for C's or to just pass a class. I am raising my
own 4 children, managing my household, and going to school, and getting A's
has been little effort. Its not because I am some kind of super whiz.. LOL.
its just because these kids dont really know how to learn independently..
They expect to be spoon fed. I have taken as many classes online as I have
on campus. I LOVE the online courses because I dont have to deal with the
instructors ridiculous rules and redundant lectures.. In one class I had.. We
had a text book..with a CD that also covered main topics.. The teacher would
lecture on the topics along with a slide presentation. I was like
GEEZOMITEY, why cant I just read the book?????.. I will say, going back to
school myself has only made me empathize with my children in ps. The only
reason I went back was to get the "papers" to prove I know what I am doing,
to help me get a job. Unfortunately, in this day and age, folks cant go
apply for a job and just say.. Yeah, I can do that. You have to PROVE you've
had the education or the experience ( preferrably both) My advice to
anyone going back to college is.. You CAN do it.. Dont be intimidated. You
will be surprised at how easy it is.. But, be prepared to have homework, do a
lot of busy work, and basically appease your instructors to prove you know
the material... yeah, just like "regular" school I have been so
disappointed that adults are treated like elementary school children. One
time, a student quietly and politely got up during class to leave. The
teacher stopped teaching and said "excuse me, class is not over, where do you
think you are going" The student said..,"i have an appointment" The teacher
said.. "at 12:00? arent most folks out to lunch'? The student was obviously
flustered and angry, . She said.."Yes, I have an appt at 12:30, do you want
me to bring an excuse?" The teacher said.."well, just try to schedule your
appts around class time. .. The student left and slammed the door. I was
APPALLED.. I swear.. I wanted to get up and leave myself. I SO wished it was
me.. I would have said something like.. "Uhh, I have a highly contagious
sexually transmitted disease, I am going for my transfusion".. Or maybe.. "I
have diarrreha and I just soiled myself.". Or heck, even,"I have a date with
your husband to do him good during lunch". LMAO.. Or good and simple, "Its
none of your business where I am going, I paid to take this class and I will
get up and leave if I %(&%&$#) please!" OK enough rambling for me.
Teresa
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Christina in GA
After I take my Algebra class - which I want to do in class since math is not my strong suit - I plan to take CLEP tests. Depending on the test I can get 3 credit hours or more and can cut my time in class! I should have taken the CLEP tests for my English courses because I believe I could have passed that test. I plan to take History and Natural Science tests and get them out of the way next year after taking my Algebra class. I am also planning to take the quickie summer course. They are trying out classes like 1/2 semesters - you do all the course work in 6 weeks instead of 12. I'm going to do that for my Algebra so I can get it done. What it also means is they cover a lot of info - 3 hour class - and there is homework and if a class is missed it's hard to make up as the work increases in difficulty.
But check into the CLEP tests. That would help with the frustration with the instructors. Luckily I had some really neat instructors, even in my English 1101 course where I had car trouble and missed some classes. She just wanted you to turn in the work, she didn't have an attendance policy.
What I like so much about being an adult in college is all the options that I have to choose from that weren't around 11 years ago.
Christina in GA - aspiring financial planner
But check into the CLEP tests. That would help with the frustration with the instructors. Luckily I had some really neat instructors, even in my English 1101 course where I had car trouble and missed some classes. She just wanted you to turn in the work, she didn't have an attendance policy.
What I like so much about being an adult in college is all the options that I have to choose from that weren't around 11 years ago.
Christina in GA - aspiring financial planner
----- Original Message -----
From: grlynbl@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] college courses
I graduated from High School in June 1985, got married in August 1985 and
had my first son in Nov 1986. I went to college Aug 2000. I go to a
community college and my major is business admin with a concentration on
E-commerce. I have been pretty much disgusted with my waste of time. Aside
from my Accounting and Business Law class.. and one class called Principles
of Web Design, in which I learned HTML, I havent learned anything I didnt
already know, or could learn very easily in my own research. . Most of my
"major" classes are redundant. The topics are covered over and over and over
in each class. My GOD.. sometimes I want to pull my hair out. I even told
my instuctors for one class this semester that I just use my "old work" to
turn in. What has taken over 2 years to cover could have been covered in 6
weeks. EASILY. And, I have also found that the majority of High School Srs
that end up going to Community College are sadly lacking in any academic
skills. Kids struggle for C's or to just pass a class. I am raising my
own 4 children, managing my household, and going to school, and getting A's
has been little effort. Its not because I am some kind of super whiz.. LOL.
its just because these kids dont really know how to learn independently..
They expect to be spoon fed. I have taken as many classes online as I have
on campus. I LOVE the online courses because I dont have to deal with the
instructors ridiculous rules and redundant lectures.. In one class I had.. We
had a text book..with a CD that also covered main topics.. The teacher would
lecture on the topics along with a slide presentation. I was like
GEEZOMITEY, why cant I just read the book?????.. I will say, going back to
school myself has only made me empathize with my children in ps. The only
reason I went back was to get the "papers" to prove I know what I am doing,
to help me get a job. Unfortunately, in this day and age, folks cant go
apply for a job and just say.. Yeah, I can do that. You have to PROVE you've
had the education or the experience ( preferrably both) My advice to
anyone going back to college is.. You CAN do it.. Dont be intimidated. You
will be surprised at how easy it is.. But, be prepared to have homework, do a
lot of busy work, and basically appease your instructors to prove you know
the material... yeah, just like "regular" school I have been so
disappointed that adults are treated like elementary school children. One
time, a student quietly and politely got up during class to leave. The
teacher stopped teaching and said "excuse me, class is not over, where do you
think you are going" The student said..,"i have an appointment" The teacher
said.. "at 12:00? arent most folks out to lunch'? The student was obviously
flustered and angry, . She said.."Yes, I have an appt at 12:30, do you want
me to bring an excuse?" The teacher said.."well, just try to schedule your
appts around class time. .. The student left and slammed the door. I was
APPALLED.. I swear.. I wanted to get up and leave myself. I SO wished it was
me.. I would have said something like.. "Uhh, I have a highly contagious
sexually transmitted disease, I am going for my transfusion".. Or maybe.. "I
have diarrreha and I just soiled myself.". Or heck, even,"I have a date with
your husband to do him good during lunch". LMAO.. Or good and simple, "Its
none of your business where I am going, I paid to take this class and I will
get up and leave if I %(&%&$#) please!" OK enough rambling for me.
Teresa
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Pam Sorooshian
My 18 yo's college math teacher won't let her make up an exam she missed.
She missed it because she was at the hospital with the rest of us - my
mother had a stroke on Monday morning and died on Wednesday night. Roya
missed Tuesday and Thursday's classes. She has an "A" average in the class
- but with that missing exam she has a "C" in the course EVEN if she gets
an "A" on the final next week. In his syllabus he says he'll drop the
lowest exam grade - she KNEW that and thought it was okay for her to skip
it. Now he says he made a mistake in the syllabus, he meant he'd drop the
lowest QUIZ grade (they have lots of quizzes, but only a few actual EXAMS).
She's written him a letter, including a copy of the death certificate and
his own syllabus. She says he won't budget. She's going to have to appeal
to the dean of the math/science division, who is a very cool guy -
rational, kind, reasonable - but he's in the hospital himself right now and
is very seriously ill.
--pam
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She missed it because she was at the hospital with the rest of us - my
mother had a stroke on Monday morning and died on Wednesday night. Roya
missed Tuesday and Thursday's classes. She has an "A" average in the class
- but with that missing exam she has a "C" in the course EVEN if she gets
an "A" on the final next week. In his syllabus he says he'll drop the
lowest exam grade - she KNEW that and thought it was okay for her to skip
it. Now he says he made a mistake in the syllabus, he meant he'd drop the
lowest QUIZ grade (they have lots of quizzes, but only a few actual EXAMS).
She's written him a letter, including a copy of the death certificate and
his own syllabus. She says he won't budget. She's going to have to appeal
to the dean of the math/science division, who is a very cool guy -
rational, kind, reasonable - but he's in the hospital himself right now and
is very seriously ill.
--pam
At 06:49 AM 12/10/2002, you wrote:
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>Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Re: for all you music geeks
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 2. Re: Re: Not another record keeping question....
> From: tuckervill@...
> 3. Re: college courses
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
> 4. Re: Writing/Spelling
> From: Trisha R Sides <ursadiana@...>
> 5. Overheard in a restaurant
> From: Pam Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
> 6. Re: dealing with "caring" relatives
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
> 7. Re: Digest Number 2694
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
> 8. Re: Re: Not another record keeping question....
> From: Earthmomma67@...
> 9. Re: Re: Not another record keeping question....
> From: Earthmomma67@...
> 10. Re: Overheard in a restaurant
> From: tuckervill@...
> 11. Sandra
> From: lurningathome@...
> 12. Re: TV
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> 13. Re: college courses
> From: EBA7009@...
> 14. Re: was what to do/ now CPS
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> 15. Re: Overheard in a restaurant
> From: EBA7009@...
> 16. Re: college courses
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> 17. Re: Sandra
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 18. Re: Overheard in a restaurant
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> 19. Re: TV
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 20. Re: was what to do/ now CPS
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 21. Re: Digest Number 2692
> From: lurningathome@...
> 22. SORRYYYYYYY
> From: lurningathome@...
> 23. Re: college courses
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 24. Helen.......
> From: lurningathome@...
> 25. hummmm a true phrase.....
> From: lurningathome@...
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:40:26 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Re: for all you music geeks
>
>Video:
>
>http://www.andplay.com/drums.htm
>
>And there are books with CDs out there too if he wants to learn to read
>notation.
>
>Sandra
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:10:21 EST
> From: tuckervill@...
>Subject: Re: Re: Not another record keeping question....
>
>In a message dated 12/9/2002 6:22:15 PM Central Standard Time,
>QUALITY6263@... writes:
>
> > Do anybody have a format for a report card? I'm having a problem
> > creating one. Please, e-mail me with one.
> >
>
>You live in Texas. Why do you need a report card?
>
>Tuck
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:11:49 +0100
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
>Subject: Re: college courses
>
>12/9/02 12:13:
>
> > Oh my goodness! I've been thinking about going to college but I'm
> scared to
> > death! I moved out of my parent's home at 17 and went right to work -
> never
> > had the college experience! At 46, the thought of even going to the local
> > junior college is enough to give me heart palpitations :)
>
>Beth,
>
>But Beth, just think how smart you are now! If life is such a great teacher
>that we trust our children to learn from it, you've had a lot more learning
>than most college students!
>
>I think this is a side-effect our preoccupation as a society with age and
>doing things younger and younger. Even if I played cello as well as a
>couple of the prodigies now running around the world (and I don't!), nobody
>would be interested in me because I'm not 10 or 12 or 8. We're impressed
>with kids who go to college at 15, but not with people who wait until
>they're older and know what they want to study and why they need this
>degree. Why?
>
>Personally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
>children should easily be able to tackle college classes.
>
>brenda
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:15:52 -0600
> From: Trisha R Sides <ursadiana@...>
>Subject: Re: Writing/Spelling
>
>
>I have been mostly a lurker here, but I just HAVE to jump in on this one.
><G> To the mother of Lars- he's an excellent writer! I thought he shared
>his thoughts very well! So he can't spell- big deal- there are lot's of
>"educated" adults who can't either. That's what dictionary's are for, and
>why every word processor comes with a spell-checker.Spelling is something
>that comes natural to some and not others, and quite frankly phonetic
>spelling is often more logical! If he needs to write something in life,
>like a job resume, or letter, or whatever that requires correct spelling-
>he can use those resources."Writing " is about saying what you want to
>say, communicating your thoughts to others, NOT about spelling. In other
>words, don't stress it <G>
>
>Trisha Sides
>mother of Gary, age 8,
>unschooled from birth :)
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 23:49:57 -0800
> From: Pam Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
>Subject: Overheard in a restaurant
>
>We see so many AWFUL parenting examples in public places - this was a very
>very nice encounter:
>
> I was in a restaurant last week and admiring the grandparents, parents
>and 3 little children at the table next to us -- enjoying watching and
>listening to the sweet way they all were with each other.
>
>As we were leaving, I heard the dad say to the grandparents, "Well, we're
>thinking about homeschooling - just keeping on doing what we've been doing
>seems like a good idea to us." OF COURSE, I stopped to eavesdrop - <G>
>The mom said, "Seems like they're all learning all the time already and we
>don't see why we need to send them off to school."
>
>Grandpa said, "Sounds like a GREAT idea to me."
>Grandma said, "Me too."
>
>I didn't say anything - just walked on - but I wanted to give them the
>grandparents/parents of the year award right then and there.
>
>--pam
>
>
>Pam Sorooshian
>National Home Education Network
>www.NHEN.org
>Changing the Way the World Sees Homeschooling
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>Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:19:44 +0100
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
>Subject: Re: dealing with "caring" relatives
>
>12/10/02 05:35:
>
> > Let me know what comebacks you receive.
>
>I received a piece of advice here a while back on this, and it's worked
>fairly well. When people start in on my homeschooling, I wait for them to
>take a breath and then start in on a looooong discourse about how
>wonderfully things are going, how happy we all are, how much Tim has learned
>lately, how grateful I am to have people in life who are supportive of what
>I do, how educational life is, how many interesting things we've read or
>seen videos about lately, Tim's talents, his music lessons, his theatre
>work, how helpful he is, etc. etc. By the time I finished, only my MIL was
>dumb enough to make another comment, and I just prattled on for another few
>minutes and she left me alone for awhile.
>
> > My own mother called CPS on me
> > for homeschooling my kids. She is a teacher and feels that they are more
> > qualified for the job.
>
>SO WHAT! They're not her kids, so the fact that she thinks she could do it
>better is totally beside the point. And calling CPS for homeschooling is,
>in my humble opinion, a waste of CPS's time. They have better things to do.
>Obviously she needs something better to do, eh?
>
> > I have to disagree my husband has 2 1/2 yrs. of
> > Mechanical Engineer and I am a Certified Legal Assistant in the State of
> > Texas. I feel that we as parents are equally qualified.
>
>The last statement is true. As parents, you are wonderfully qualified.
>Your education is not relevant. If someone truly wants to homeschool,
>they'll find a way to do it, because they love their kids and believe in it.
>You don't need any particular education to do this, just a healthy curiosity
>about the world which you can communicate to your children.
>
>brenda
>snuffly with a cold and grouchy from it, too!
>
>
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>Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:19:45 +0100
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
>Subject: Re: Digest Number 2694
>
>12/9/02 23:53:
>
> > <<Maybe my question here, as well, is does phonetic oriented exposure
> > complicate or enhance or can go either way depending on the child? I
> am not
> > always able to present myself clearly...especiallly when I am in the midst
> > of a ponder...hope I am making sense!>>
>
>I suppose it would depend on how it's presented. But I don't think you can
>avoid having any exposure to phonics whatsover. They're all over the place.
>
>I didn't teach my son phonics so he could read. He would ask about the
>sounds letters make when he saw things in print. And when we sat down
>together with easy books, sometimes I'd point out something that might help
>him. For example, he tried to say the silent e's on the ends of words, so
>we talked about how e is quiet but manipulative, because he changes the
>sound of the other letters but doesn't say anything himself. And Tim got
>mad at c, because he's a thief without a sound but steals s or k's sound, so
>you never knew which sound he was going to be!
>
>Is that phonics? Of course. But phonetic oriented exposure sounds very
>teachy, and you don't need to teach him to read. He'll read himself when
>he's good and ready.
>
>brenda
>
>
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>Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:18:32 EST
> From: Earthmomma67@...
>Subject: Re: Re: Not another record keeping question....
>
>You do make it much more simpler!
>I think it was the way the website presented it that seemed like so much to
>do.
>I live in a portfolio state, one that loves to ask for "extras". We even have
>the BOE considering changing the regulations due to that old excuse of
>"homeschoolers have been providing us with that information for a long time
>anyway so we are changing the statutes to reflect that"
>I was thinking that I would do it the way you just said you would do it.
>Since registering is an option in missouri, do you do that?
>Elissa
>
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>Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:41:34 EST
> From: Earthmomma67@...
>Subject: Re: Re: Not another record keeping question....
>
>In a message dated 12/10/02 8:19:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>Earthmomma67@... writes:
>
> > I live in a portfolio state, one that loves to ask for "extras".
>
>I meant to go on here.
>I live in a portfolio state, one that loves to ask for "extras". Fortunately,
>we also have the option of an "umbrella" school. I found one that is very
>unschooling friendly and requires NO paper work, just a checklist once a
>year.
>I tried going through the county school system portfolio reviews but found
>that it was very stressful to try to "speak their language" and a huge
>hinderance to unschooling succesfully. I think the ways that schools teacha
>nd compartmentalize and label, to be so false and out of life's context. I
>couldn't try to pretend to work within a system that is so wrong for us.
>When we move to our new state witch has very similar laws, I don't intend on
>registering my children with the state at all.
>Elissa, who is disgusted to think about the fascist implications of the last
>sentence.
>
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>Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:42:13 EST
> From: tuckervill@...
>Subject: Re: Overheard in a restaurant
>
>In a message dated 12/10/2002 1:50:26 AM Central Standard Time,
>pamsoroosh@... writes:
>
> > The mom said, "Seems like they're all learning all the time already and we
> > don't see why we need to send them off to school."
> >
>
>nuh-uh! You're making that up! lol.
>
>That's kinda the response I got from my dad, though.
>
>I wish you *had* been able to speak to those folks! Thanks for sharing it.
>
>Tuck
>
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>Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:50:16 EST
> From: lurningathome@...
>Subject: Sandra
>
>Sandra darling...........
>
>
>You posted a while back the link that I need to find the lost books of the
>bible , like the book of Thomas. etc..
>
>Well, when my hardrive crashed a couple of months ago, I realize that I lost
>that link and have been trying to find it.
>I was hoping that I would find it written somewhere.
>
>If there is no trouble, could you send that link again?
>
>THanks Hon......
>
>Kim
>
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>Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 05:55:06 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
>Subject: Re: TV
>
>
>Heidi,
>
>I had these same concerns, I would have lived without TV, a couple of
>years ago.
>
>My son has actually lost weight in the last 6 months, since we've started
>this whole unschooling adventure, I think for us its the whole
>limit/obsession thing. We also lifted limits on the foods-hence he
>doesn't over eat.
>
>There is something to say for vegging out, or escaping, such as, reading
>or watching TV, what-ever. I know as a kid I did those things when I was
>troubled, but I would also figure things out at the same time. So I guess
>I wouldn't call it vegging out.
>
>I guess for me I can't even begin to know when my kids need that time,
>hopefully they will come and talk to me, but I know they won't always want
>to.
>
>Even tho' I was raised in quite a controlling environment, I am very
>thankful that when I was home I was allowed to do pretty much what I
>wanted when I wanted.
>I have to remember that right now, I have been pretty much pulling my hair
>out about my Mom lately.
>
>Take Care,
>
>Kelli
>
>
> hmsclmyboy@... wrote:opps sorry, I understand the no limit my
> concern is obesity runs in my
>husbands family. My son is not very active anyway and I worry that the TV
>will consume him as it does my husband. How do you get the healthy balance
>to avoid the obesity problems. We don't limit food, I do encourage healthy
>snacks, I don't make him go outside, (which he hasn't really been in weeks,
>even in summer he isn't much of an outside person, I guess I just want him to
>be healthy.
>
>Heidi
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>Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:09:52 EST
> From: EBA7009@...
>Subject: Re: college courses
>
>In a message dated 12/10/02 7:10:12 AM !!!First Boot!!!, abtleo@...
>writes:
>
>
> > Personally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
> > children should easily be able to tackle college classes.
> >
> > brenda
> >
>
>LOL! You sound like my teenage and college age daughters - who have far more
>confidence in me then I do in myself :)
>
>Beth
>
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>Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:16:53 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
>Subject: Re: was what to do/ now CPS
>
>
>** My own mother called CPS on me
>for homeschooling my kids.**
>
>
>
>OMG!! And here I'm worried that my Mom doesn't get unschooling.
>
>
>
>You must be very brave, Way to Go!!
>
>
>
>Kelli
>
>
>
>
>
> QUALITY6263@... wrote:Let me know what comebacks you receive. My
> own mother called CPS on me
>for homeschooling my kids. She is a teacher and feels that they are more
>qualified for the job. I have to disagree my husband has 2 1/2 yrs. of
>Mechanical Engineer and I am a Certified Legal Assistant in the State of
>Texas. I feel that we as parents are equally qualified.
>
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>Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:18:51 EST
> From: EBA7009@...
>Subject: Re: Overheard in a restaurant
>
>In a message dated 12/10/02 1:44:11 PM !!!First Boot!!!, tuckervill@...
>writes:
>
>
> > nuh-uh! You're making that up! lol.
> >
> > That's kinda the response I got from my dad, though.
> >
>
>I'd faint dead-away if I heard this coming from my father. Then again, if my
>father actually said anything like that I'd think the 'pod' people had gotten
>to him ;)
>
>Beth Allen
>
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>Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:21:39 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
>Subject: Re: college courses
>
>
>
> Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...> wrote: **But Beth, just
> think how smart you are now! If life is such a great teacher
>that we trust our children to learn from it, you've had a lot more learning
>than most college students!
>
>I think this is a side-effect our preoccupation as a society with age and
>doing things younger and younger. Even if I played cello as well as a
>couple of the prodigies now running around the world (and I don't!), nobody
>would be interested in me because I'm not 10 or 12 or 8. We're impressed
>with kids who go to college at 15, but not with people who wait until
>they're older and know what they want to study and why they need this
>degree. Why?
>
>Personally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
>children should easily be able to tackle college classes.**
>
>
>
>Well put Brenda,
>
>
>
>Ditto for me, you would do just fine, go for it!
>
>
>
>Kelli
>
>
>
>
>
>12/9/02 12:13:
>
> > Oh my goodness! I've been thinking about going to college but I'm
> scared to
> > death! I moved out of my parent's home at 17 and went right to work -
> never
> > had the college experience! At 46, the thought of even going to the local
> > junior college is enough to give me heart palpitations :)
>
>Beth,
>
>But Beth, just think how smart you are now! If life is such a great teacher
>that we trust our children to learn from it, you've had a lot more learning
>than most college students!
>
>I think this is a side-effect our preoccupation as a society with age and
>doing things younger and younger. Even if I played cello as well as a
>couple of the prodigies now running around the world (and I don't!), nobody
>would be interested in me because I'm not 10 or 12 or 8. We're impressed
>with kids who go to college at 15, but not with people who wait until
>they're older and know what they want to study and why they need this
>degree. Why?
>
>Personally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
>children should easily be able to tackle college classes.
>
>brenda
>
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>Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:27:53 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Re: Sandra
>
>
>In a message dated 12/10/02 6:50:56 AM, lurningathome@... writes:
>
><< You posted a while back the link that I need to find the lost books of the
>bible , like the book of Thomas. etc.. >>
>
>I did?
>
>I usually go through the Skeptics Annotated Bible site. It has links to
>other stuff and maybe you got there from that.
>
>http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
>
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>Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:28:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
>Subject: Re: Overheard in a restaurant
>
>
>That's awesome......wish all families responded that way when they found
>out others were homeschooling.
>
>Kelli, who is preparing for Christmas with the inlaws from public school
>hell!
>
>
> Pam Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:We see so many AWFUL
> parenting examples in public places - this was a very
>very nice encounter:
>
> I was in a restaurant last week and admiring the grandparents, parents
>and 3 little children at the table next to us -- enjoying watching and
>listening to the sweet way they all were with each other.
>
>As we were leaving, I heard the dad say to the grandparents, "Well, we're
>thinking about homeschooling - just keeping on doing what we've been doing
>seems like a good idea to us." OF COURSE, I stopped to eavesdrop - <G>
>The mom said, "Seems like they're all learning all the time already and we
>don't see why we need to send them off to school."
>
>Grandpa said, "Sounds like a GREAT idea to me."
>Grandma said, "Me too."
>
>I didn't say anything - just walked on - but I wanted to give them the
>grandparents/parents of the year award right then and there.
>
>--pam
>
>
>Pam Sorooshian
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>www.NHEN.org
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>Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:37:33 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Re: TV
>
>"Statistically," say statisticians who want to say "no tv," kids who watch
>more TV are fatter.
>
>
>LOGICALLY and sensibly, kids who are fat and are being tormented by other
>kids, or who just happen not to be jockish anyway, tend to watch TV more than
>those who are out and about because they have the need to roller blade or
>whatever.
>
>I had a friend years ago who was small, effeminate, weak, and his dad thought
>that if he shot hoops in the driveway every afternoon for forty five minutes,
>he would get bigger, butcher and stronger. No, what he got was teased by
>every by-passing neighbor, and he spent 45 minutes every day resenting his
>day to the bone. He grew up mean and evil. One of the few people I've known
>in my life of whom I would use the "evil" word.
>
>So too many times I've noticed parents and researchers and teachers and those
>badillions who are doing "research" to get a master's degree or a PhD in
>education so they can get OUT of the classroom and into an administrative job
>telling other teachers what to do.... (BREATHE! <g>) ... I've seen them too
>often take correlation as cause, because their paper only had to be 40 pages
>and nobody made them prove cause.
>
>Sandra
>
>
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>Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:39:18 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Re: was what to do/ now CPS
>
>
>In a message dated 12/10/02 7:18:24 AM, kellitraas@... writes:
>
><< ** My own mother called CPS on me
>for homeschooling my kids.** >>
>
>That's funny.
>I've called CPS on my own mother!
>
>I'm really sorry anyone's mom would do that to anyone.
>A lot of people should be called on sending their kids to schools where the
>children's joy and souls are sucked dry and replaced with chalkdust. But
>it's not the parents fault. They're innocent of any crime if they send their
>kids to school.
>
>Sandra
>
>
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>Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:41:04 EST
> From: lurningathome@...
>Subject: Re: Digest Number 2692
>
>In a message dated 12/9/2002 5:15:06 AM Central Standard Time,
>[email protected] writes:
>
> > I have considered it and I may talk to my dh about him not going back
> after
> > Christmas break. But we will still owe for the tuition and the curriculum
> > for the year at the school
>
>Just a thought..........Would you have to pay for what you don't use......
>
>What if there was no money to pay it.......you wouldn't be able to go .......
>
>Just rambling.......
>
>Kim
>
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>Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:41:46 EST
> From: lurningathome@...
>Subject: SORRYYYYYYY
>
>In a message dated 12/9/2002 5:15:06 AM Central Standard Time,
>[email protected] writes:
>
> > I have considered it and I may talk to my dh about him not going back
> after
> > Christmas break. But we will still owe for the tuition and the curriculum
> > for the year at the school
>
>I just realized that I did not change the subject line in my email.......my
>apologies........
>
>Kim
>
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>Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:42:39 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Re: college courses
>
>
>In a message dated 12/10/02 7:23:06 AM, kellitraas@... writes:
>
><< ersonally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
>children should easily be able to tackle college classes.** >>
>
>All except the part where you accept oppressive and arbitrary rules and
>regulations and inflexibility. Some people are way too smart and experienced
>in real life to accept the hazing abuse that happens in some classes (NOT ALL
>OF THE CLASSES!)
>
>Sandra
>
>
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>Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:47:07 EST
> From: lurningathome@...
>Subject: Helen.......
>
>In a message dated 12/9/2002 5:15:06 AM Central Standard Time,
>[email protected] writes:
>
> > And we work hard to make good offers to local support groups, too.
> > I've lost track of how many support groups give away free copies at
> > their meetings...
> >
> > Helen
>
>I had subscribed a while back , but canceled.....The magazine kept coming to
>me damaged, and the insides missing.
>I wouldn't mind trying again......
>I had talked to you rep about but she couldn't figure out why either......she
>told me that it was happening alot in illinois.
>
>Kim
>
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>Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:48:55 EST
> From: lurningathome@...
>Subject: hummmm a true phrase.....
>
>In a message dated 12/9/2002 5:15:06 AM Central Standard Time,
>[email protected] writes:
>
> > "In a consumer society there are inevitably two kinds of slaves: the
> > prisoners of addiction and the prisoners of envy." - Ivan Illich
>
>I like that one.......true too.
>
>K
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12/11/02 06:38:
read the rules very, very carefully. It's possible they've changed, but
back when I took them, you got 1 point for correct answers and lost 1/2
point for incorrect answers. As long as you answered a certain percentage
of the questions (75% maybe?), unanswered questions did NOT count against
you. It was like they weren't even there. With that kind of set up, you're
penalized for guessing but not for not knowing.
I went through and answered everything I knew for certain, then counted my
answers and answered things I had a reasonable amount of certainty on, and
then guessed on a few things that I could use process of elimination on. I
left everything else blank, and I scored incredibly high on the math test
doing that.
Worth checking on.
brenda
> After I take my Algebra class - which I want to do in class since math is notIt's been a number of years since I took the CLEP tests, but suggestion:
> my strong suit - I plan to take CLEP tests. Depending on the test I can get 3
> credit hours or more and can cut my time in class! I should have taken the
> CLEP tests for my English courses because I believe I could have passed that
> test.
read the rules very, very carefully. It's possible they've changed, but
back when I took them, you got 1 point for correct answers and lost 1/2
point for incorrect answers. As long as you answered a certain percentage
of the questions (75% maybe?), unanswered questions did NOT count against
you. It was like they weren't even there. With that kind of set up, you're
penalized for guessing but not for not knowing.
I went through and answered everything I knew for certain, then counted my
answers and answered things I had a reasonable amount of certainty on, and
then guessed on a few things that I could use process of elimination on. I
left everything else blank, and I scored incredibly high on the math test
doing that.
Worth checking on.
brenda
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/10/2002 11:23:46 PM Central Standard Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:
a notch. Can't let his class look too easy, especially for a *homeschooler*.
I hope it works out for her.
Tuck
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pamsoroosh@... writes:
> She missed it because she was at the hospital with the rest of us - myPower trip. That's what it sounds like to me. He's trying to knock her down
> mother had a stroke on Monday morning and died on Wednesday night. Roya
> missed Tuesday and Thursday's classes. She has an "A" average in the class
> - but with that missing exam she has a "C" in the course EVEN if she gets
> an "A" on the final next week. In his syllabus he says he'll drop the
> lowest exam grade - she KNEW that and thought it was okay for her to skip
> it. Now he says he made a mistake in the syllabus, he meant he'd drop the
> lowest QUIZ grade (they have lots of quizzes, but only a few actual EXAMS).
>
a notch. Can't let his class look too easy, especially for a *homeschooler*.
I hope it works out for her.
Tuck
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Kelli Traaseth
Same thing happened to me in college, Business Statistics class, my hardest class, and my grandmother had a stoke and died, the whole process took about 2 weeks. The prof had no sympathy, I tried to explain that she had lived with me my whole life, she was pretty much the mom that would give me attention. But he didn't care, I also got a C. That semester was sooo miserable.
In certain ways I hope my children don't want to go to college, then they won't have to deal with all that. I know there were good things too, but I just can't remember them right now.
I'm tired, been up with a puking daughter all night.
Kelli
Kelli
Pam Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:My 18 yo's college math teacher won't let her make up an exam she missed.
She missed it because she was at the hospital with the rest of us - my
mother had a stroke on Monday morning and died on Wednesday night. Roya
missed Tuesday and Thursday's classes. She has an "A" average in the class
- but with that missing exam she has a "C" in the course EVEN if she gets
an "A" on the final next week. In his syllabus he says he'll drop the
lowest exam grade - she KNEW that and thought it was okay for her to skip
it. Now he says he made a mistake in the syllabus, he meant he'd drop the
lowest QUIZ grade (they have lots of quizzes, but only a few actual EXAMS).
She's written him a letter, including a copy of the death certificate and
his own syllabus. She says he won't budget. She's going to have to appeal
to the dean of the math/science division, who is a very cool guy -
rational, kind, reasonable - but he's in the hospital himself right now and
is very seriously ill.
--pam
At 06:49 AM 12/10/2002, you wrote:
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In certain ways I hope my children don't want to go to college, then they won't have to deal with all that. I know there were good things too, but I just can't remember them right now.
I'm tired, been up with a puking daughter all night.
Kelli
Kelli
Pam Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:My 18 yo's college math teacher won't let her make up an exam she missed.
She missed it because she was at the hospital with the rest of us - my
mother had a stroke on Monday morning and died on Wednesday night. Roya
missed Tuesday and Thursday's classes. She has an "A" average in the class
- but with that missing exam she has a "C" in the course EVEN if she gets
an "A" on the final next week. In his syllabus he says he'll drop the
lowest exam grade - she KNEW that and thought it was okay for her to skip
it. Now he says he made a mistake in the syllabus, he meant he'd drop the
lowest QUIZ grade (they have lots of quizzes, but only a few actual EXAMS).
She's written him a letter, including a copy of the death certificate and
his own syllabus. She says he won't budget. She's going to have to appeal
to the dean of the math/science division, who is a very cool guy -
rational, kind, reasonable - but he's in the hospital himself right now and
is very seriously ill.
--pam
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>Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: for all you music geeks
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 2. Re: Re: Not another record keeping question....
> From: tuckervill@...
> 3. Re: college courses
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
> 4. Re: Writing/Spelling
> From: Trisha R Sides <ursadiana@...>
> 5. Overheard in a restaurant
> From: Pam Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
> 6. Re: dealing with "caring" relatives
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
> 7. Re: Digest Number 2694
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
> 8. Re: Re: Not another record keeping question....
> From: Earthmomma67@...
> 9. Re: Re: Not another record keeping question....
> From: Earthmomma67@...
> 10. Re: Overheard in a restaurant
> From: tuckervill@...
> 11. Sandra
> From: lurningathome@...
> 12. Re: TV
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> 13. Re: college courses
> From: EBA7009@...
> 14. Re: was what to do/ now CPS
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> 15. Re: Overheard in a restaurant
> From: EBA7009@...
> 16. Re: college courses
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> 17. Re: Sandra
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 18. Re: Overheard in a restaurant
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
> 19. Re: TV
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 20. Re: was what to do/ now CPS
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 21. Re: Digest Number 2692
> From: lurningathome@...
> 22. SORRYYYYYYY
> From: lurningathome@...
> 23. Re: college courses
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 24. Helen.......
> From: lurningathome@...
> 25. hummmm a true phrase.....
> From: lurningathome@...
>
>
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>Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:40:26 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Re: for all you music geeks
>
>Video:
>
>http://www.andplay.com/drums.htm
>
>And there are books with CDs out there too if he wants to learn to read
>notation.
>
>Sandra
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:10:21 EST
> From: tuckervill@...
>Subject: Re: Re: Not another record keeping question....
>
>In a message dated 12/9/2002 6:22:15 PM Central Standard Time,
>QUALITY6263@... writes:
>
> > Do anybody have a format for a report card? I'm having a problem
> > creating one. Please, e-mail me with one.
> >
>
>You live in Texas. Why do you need a report card?
>
>Tuck
>
>
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>
>
>
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>Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:11:49 +0100
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
>Subject: Re: college courses
>
>12/9/02 12:13:
>
> > Oh my goodness! I've been thinking about going to college but I'm
> scared to
> > death! I moved out of my parent's home at 17 and went right to work -
> never
> > had the college experience! At 46, the thought of even going to the local
> > junior college is enough to give me heart palpitations :)
>
>Beth,
>
>But Beth, just think how smart you are now! If life is such a great teacher
>that we trust our children to learn from it, you've had a lot more learning
>than most college students!
>
>I think this is a side-effect our preoccupation as a society with age and
>doing things younger and younger. Even if I played cello as well as a
>couple of the prodigies now running around the world (and I don't!), nobody
>would be interested in me because I'm not 10 or 12 or 8. We're impressed
>with kids who go to college at 15, but not with people who wait until
>they're older and know what they want to study and why they need this
>degree. Why?
>
>Personally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
>children should easily be able to tackle college classes.
>
>brenda
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:15:52 -0600
> From: Trisha R Sides <ursadiana@...>
>Subject: Re: Writing/Spelling
>
>
>I have been mostly a lurker here, but I just HAVE to jump in on this one.
><G> To the mother of Lars- he's an excellent writer! I thought he shared
>his thoughts very well! So he can't spell- big deal- there are lot's of
>"educated" adults who can't either. That's what dictionary's are for, and
>why every word processor comes with a spell-checker.Spelling is something
>that comes natural to some and not others, and quite frankly phonetic
>spelling is often more logical! If he needs to write something in life,
>like a job resume, or letter, or whatever that requires correct spelling-
>he can use those resources."Writing " is about saying what you want to
>say, communicating your thoughts to others, NOT about spelling. In other
>words, don't stress it <G>
>
>Trisha Sides
>mother of Gary, age 8,
>unschooled from birth :)
>
>
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>Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 23:49:57 -0800
> From: Pam Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
>Subject: Overheard in a restaurant
>
>We see so many AWFUL parenting examples in public places - this was a very
>very nice encounter:
>
> I was in a restaurant last week and admiring the grandparents, parents
>and 3 little children at the table next to us -- enjoying watching and
>listening to the sweet way they all were with each other.
>
>As we were leaving, I heard the dad say to the grandparents, "Well, we're
>thinking about homeschooling - just keeping on doing what we've been doing
>seems like a good idea to us." OF COURSE, I stopped to eavesdrop - <G>
>The mom said, "Seems like they're all learning all the time already and we
>don't see why we need to send them off to school."
>
>Grandpa said, "Sounds like a GREAT idea to me."
>Grandma said, "Me too."
>
>I didn't say anything - just walked on - but I wanted to give them the
>grandparents/parents of the year award right then and there.
>
>--pam
>
>
>Pam Sorooshian
>National Home Education Network
>www.NHEN.org
>Changing the Way the World Sees Homeschooling
>
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>Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:19:44 +0100
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
>Subject: Re: dealing with "caring" relatives
>
>12/10/02 05:35:
>
> > Let me know what comebacks you receive.
>
>I received a piece of advice here a while back on this, and it's worked
>fairly well. When people start in on my homeschooling, I wait for them to
>take a breath and then start in on a looooong discourse about how
>wonderfully things are going, how happy we all are, how much Tim has learned
>lately, how grateful I am to have people in life who are supportive of what
>I do, how educational life is, how many interesting things we've read or
>seen videos about lately, Tim's talents, his music lessons, his theatre
>work, how helpful he is, etc. etc. By the time I finished, only my MIL was
>dumb enough to make another comment, and I just prattled on for another few
>minutes and she left me alone for awhile.
>
> > My own mother called CPS on me
> > for homeschooling my kids. She is a teacher and feels that they are more
> > qualified for the job.
>
>SO WHAT! They're not her kids, so the fact that she thinks she could do it
>better is totally beside the point. And calling CPS for homeschooling is,
>in my humble opinion, a waste of CPS's time. They have better things to do.
>Obviously she needs something better to do, eh?
>
> > I have to disagree my husband has 2 1/2 yrs. of
> > Mechanical Engineer and I am a Certified Legal Assistant in the State of
> > Texas. I feel that we as parents are equally qualified.
>
>The last statement is true. As parents, you are wonderfully qualified.
>Your education is not relevant. If someone truly wants to homeschool,
>they'll find a way to do it, because they love their kids and believe in it.
>You don't need any particular education to do this, just a healthy curiosity
>about the world which you can communicate to your children.
>
>brenda
>snuffly with a cold and grouchy from it, too!
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:19:45 +0100
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
>Subject: Re: Digest Number 2694
>
>12/9/02 23:53:
>
> > <<Maybe my question here, as well, is does phonetic oriented exposure
> > complicate or enhance or can go either way depending on the child? I
> am not
> > always able to present myself clearly...especiallly when I am in the midst
> > of a ponder...hope I am making sense!>>
>
>I suppose it would depend on how it's presented. But I don't think you can
>avoid having any exposure to phonics whatsover. They're all over the place.
>
>I didn't teach my son phonics so he could read. He would ask about the
>sounds letters make when he saw things in print. And when we sat down
>together with easy books, sometimes I'd point out something that might help
>him. For example, he tried to say the silent e's on the ends of words, so
>we talked about how e is quiet but manipulative, because he changes the
>sound of the other letters but doesn't say anything himself. And Tim got
>mad at c, because he's a thief without a sound but steals s or k's sound, so
>you never knew which sound he was going to be!
>
>Is that phonics? Of course. But phonetic oriented exposure sounds very
>teachy, and you don't need to teach him to read. He'll read himself when
>he's good and ready.
>
>brenda
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:18:32 EST
> From: Earthmomma67@...
>Subject: Re: Re: Not another record keeping question....
>
>You do make it much more simpler!
>I think it was the way the website presented it that seemed like so much to
>do.
>I live in a portfolio state, one that loves to ask for "extras". We even have
>the BOE considering changing the regulations due to that old excuse of
>"homeschoolers have been providing us with that information for a long time
>anyway so we are changing the statutes to reflect that"
>I was thinking that I would do it the way you just said you would do it.
>Since registering is an option in missouri, do you do that?
>Elissa
>
>
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>Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:41:34 EST
> From: Earthmomma67@...
>Subject: Re: Re: Not another record keeping question....
>
>In a message dated 12/10/02 8:19:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>Earthmomma67@... writes:
>
> > I live in a portfolio state, one that loves to ask for "extras".
>
>I meant to go on here.
>I live in a portfolio state, one that loves to ask for "extras". Fortunately,
>we also have the option of an "umbrella" school. I found one that is very
>unschooling friendly and requires NO paper work, just a checklist once a
>year.
>I tried going through the county school system portfolio reviews but found
>that it was very stressful to try to "speak their language" and a huge
>hinderance to unschooling succesfully. I think the ways that schools teacha
>nd compartmentalize and label, to be so false and out of life's context. I
>couldn't try to pretend to work within a system that is so wrong for us.
>When we move to our new state witch has very similar laws, I don't intend on
>registering my children with the state at all.
>Elissa, who is disgusted to think about the fascist implications of the last
>sentence.
>
>
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>Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:42:13 EST
> From: tuckervill@...
>Subject: Re: Overheard in a restaurant
>
>In a message dated 12/10/2002 1:50:26 AM Central Standard Time,
>pamsoroosh@... writes:
>
> > The mom said, "Seems like they're all learning all the time already and we
> > don't see why we need to send them off to school."
> >
>
>nuh-uh! You're making that up! lol.
>
>That's kinda the response I got from my dad, though.
>
>I wish you *had* been able to speak to those folks! Thanks for sharing it.
>
>Tuck
>
>
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>Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:50:16 EST
> From: lurningathome@...
>Subject: Sandra
>
>Sandra darling...........
>
>
>You posted a while back the link that I need to find the lost books of the
>bible , like the book of Thomas. etc..
>
>Well, when my hardrive crashed a couple of months ago, I realize that I lost
>that link and have been trying to find it.
>I was hoping that I would find it written somewhere.
>
>If there is no trouble, could you send that link again?
>
>THanks Hon......
>
>Kim
>
>
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>
>
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>
>Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 05:55:06 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
>Subject: Re: TV
>
>
>Heidi,
>
>I had these same concerns, I would have lived without TV, a couple of
>years ago.
>
>My son has actually lost weight in the last 6 months, since we've started
>this whole unschooling adventure, I think for us its the whole
>limit/obsession thing. We also lifted limits on the foods-hence he
>doesn't over eat.
>
>There is something to say for vegging out, or escaping, such as, reading
>or watching TV, what-ever. I know as a kid I did those things when I was
>troubled, but I would also figure things out at the same time. So I guess
>I wouldn't call it vegging out.
>
>I guess for me I can't even begin to know when my kids need that time,
>hopefully they will come and talk to me, but I know they won't always want
>to.
>
>Even tho' I was raised in quite a controlling environment, I am very
>thankful that when I was home I was allowed to do pretty much what I
>wanted when I wanted.
>I have to remember that right now, I have been pretty much pulling my hair
>out about my Mom lately.
>
>Take Care,
>
>Kelli
>
>
> hmsclmyboy@... wrote:opps sorry, I understand the no limit my
> concern is obesity runs in my
>husbands family. My son is not very active anyway and I worry that the TV
>will consume him as it does my husband. How do you get the healthy balance
>to avoid the obesity problems. We don't limit food, I do encourage healthy
>snacks, I don't make him go outside, (which he hasn't really been in weeks,
>even in summer he isn't much of an outside person, I guess I just want him to
>be healthy.
>
>Heidi
>
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>Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:09:52 EST
> From: EBA7009@...
>Subject: Re: college courses
>
>In a message dated 12/10/02 7:10:12 AM !!!First Boot!!!, abtleo@...
>writes:
>
>
> > Personally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
> > children should easily be able to tackle college classes.
> >
> > brenda
> >
>
>LOL! You sound like my teenage and college age daughters - who have far more
>confidence in me then I do in myself :)
>
>Beth
>
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>Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:16:53 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
>Subject: Re: was what to do/ now CPS
>
>
>** My own mother called CPS on me
>for homeschooling my kids.**
>
>
>
>OMG!! And here I'm worried that my Mom doesn't get unschooling.
>
>
>
>You must be very brave, Way to Go!!
>
>
>
>Kelli
>
>
>
>
>
> QUALITY6263@... wrote:Let me know what comebacks you receive. My
> own mother called CPS on me
>for homeschooling my kids. She is a teacher and feels that they are more
>qualified for the job. I have to disagree my husband has 2 1/2 yrs. of
>Mechanical Engineer and I am a Certified Legal Assistant in the State of
>Texas. I feel that we as parents are equally qualified.
>
>
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>Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:18:51 EST
> From: EBA7009@...
>Subject: Re: Overheard in a restaurant
>
>In a message dated 12/10/02 1:44:11 PM !!!First Boot!!!, tuckervill@...
>writes:
>
>
> > nuh-uh! You're making that up! lol.
> >
> > That's kinda the response I got from my dad, though.
> >
>
>I'd faint dead-away if I heard this coming from my father. Then again, if my
>father actually said anything like that I'd think the 'pod' people had gotten
>to him ;)
>
>Beth Allen
>
>
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>Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:21:39 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
>Subject: Re: college courses
>
>
>
> Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...> wrote: **But Beth, just
> think how smart you are now! If life is such a great teacher
>that we trust our children to learn from it, you've had a lot more learning
>than most college students!
>
>I think this is a side-effect our preoccupation as a society with age and
>doing things younger and younger. Even if I played cello as well as a
>couple of the prodigies now running around the world (and I don't!), nobody
>would be interested in me because I'm not 10 or 12 or 8. We're impressed
>with kids who go to college at 15, but not with people who wait until
>they're older and know what they want to study and why they need this
>degree. Why?
>
>Personally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
>children should easily be able to tackle college classes.**
>
>
>
>Well put Brenda,
>
>
>
>Ditto for me, you would do just fine, go for it!
>
>
>
>Kelli
>
>
>
>
>
>12/9/02 12:13:
>
> > Oh my goodness! I've been thinking about going to college but I'm
> scared to
> > death! I moved out of my parent's home at 17 and went right to work -
> never
> > had the college experience! At 46, the thought of even going to the local
> > junior college is enough to give me heart palpitations :)
>
>Beth,
>
>But Beth, just think how smart you are now! If life is such a great teacher
>that we trust our children to learn from it, you've had a lot more learning
>than most college students!
>
>I think this is a side-effect our preoccupation as a society with age and
>doing things younger and younger. Even if I played cello as well as a
>couple of the prodigies now running around the world (and I don't!), nobody
>would be interested in me because I'm not 10 or 12 or 8. We're impressed
>with kids who go to college at 15, but not with people who wait until
>they're older and know what they want to study and why they need this
>degree. Why?
>
>Personally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
>children should easily be able to tackle college classes.
>
>brenda
>
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>Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:27:53 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Re: Sandra
>
>
>In a message dated 12/10/02 6:50:56 AM, lurningathome@... writes:
>
><< You posted a while back the link that I need to find the lost books of the
>bible , like the book of Thomas. etc.. >>
>
>I did?
>
>I usually go through the Skeptics Annotated Bible site. It has links to
>other stuff and maybe you got there from that.
>
>http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
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>Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:28:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@...>
>Subject: Re: Overheard in a restaurant
>
>
>That's awesome......wish all families responded that way when they found
>out others were homeschooling.
>
>Kelli, who is preparing for Christmas with the inlaws from public school
>hell!
>
>
> Pam Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:We see so many AWFUL
> parenting examples in public places - this was a very
>very nice encounter:
>
> I was in a restaurant last week and admiring the grandparents, parents
>and 3 little children at the table next to us -- enjoying watching and
>listening to the sweet way they all were with each other.
>
>As we were leaving, I heard the dad say to the grandparents, "Well, we're
>thinking about homeschooling - just keeping on doing what we've been doing
>seems like a good idea to us." OF COURSE, I stopped to eavesdrop - <G>
>The mom said, "Seems like they're all learning all the time already and we
>don't see why we need to send them off to school."
>
>Grandpa said, "Sounds like a GREAT idea to me."
>Grandma said, "Me too."
>
>I didn't say anything - just walked on - but I wanted to give them the
>grandparents/parents of the year award right then and there.
>
>--pam
>
>
>Pam Sorooshian
>National Home Education Network
>www.NHEN.org
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>Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:37:33 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Re: TV
>
>"Statistically," say statisticians who want to say "no tv," kids who watch
>more TV are fatter.
>
>
>LOGICALLY and sensibly, kids who are fat and are being tormented by other
>kids, or who just happen not to be jockish anyway, tend to watch TV more than
>those who are out and about because they have the need to roller blade or
>whatever.
>
>I had a friend years ago who was small, effeminate, weak, and his dad thought
>that if he shot hoops in the driveway every afternoon for forty five minutes,
>he would get bigger, butcher and stronger. No, what he got was teased by
>every by-passing neighbor, and he spent 45 minutes every day resenting his
>day to the bone. He grew up mean and evil. One of the few people I've known
>in my life of whom I would use the "evil" word.
>
>So too many times I've noticed parents and researchers and teachers and those
>badillions who are doing "research" to get a master's degree or a PhD in
>education so they can get OUT of the classroom and into an administrative job
>telling other teachers what to do.... (BREATHE! <g>) ... I've seen them too
>often take correlation as cause, because their paper only had to be 40 pages
>and nobody made them prove cause.
>
>Sandra
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>Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:39:18 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Re: was what to do/ now CPS
>
>
>In a message dated 12/10/02 7:18:24 AM, kellitraas@... writes:
>
><< ** My own mother called CPS on me
>for homeschooling my kids.** >>
>
>That's funny.
>I've called CPS on my own mother!
>
>I'm really sorry anyone's mom would do that to anyone.
>A lot of people should be called on sending their kids to schools where the
>children's joy and souls are sucked dry and replaced with chalkdust. But
>it's not the parents fault. They're innocent of any crime if they send their
>kids to school.
>
>Sandra
>
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>Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:41:04 EST
> From: lurningathome@...
>Subject: Re: Digest Number 2692
>
>In a message dated 12/9/2002 5:15:06 AM Central Standard Time,
>[email protected] writes:
>
> > I have considered it and I may talk to my dh about him not going back
> after
> > Christmas break. But we will still owe for the tuition and the curriculum
> > for the year at the school
>
>Just a thought..........Would you have to pay for what you don't use......
>
>What if there was no money to pay it.......you wouldn't be able to go .......
>
>Just rambling.......
>
>Kim
>
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>Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:41:46 EST
> From: lurningathome@...
>Subject: SORRYYYYYYY
>
>In a message dated 12/9/2002 5:15:06 AM Central Standard Time,
>[email protected] writes:
>
> > I have considered it and I may talk to my dh about him not going back
> after
> > Christmas break. But we will still owe for the tuition and the curriculum
> > for the year at the school
>
>I just realized that I did not change the subject line in my email.......my
>apologies........
>
>Kim
>
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>Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:42:39 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Re: college courses
>
>
>In a message dated 12/10/02 7:23:06 AM, kellitraas@... writes:
>
><< ersonally, I think anyone who can handle the working world at 17 and raise
>children should easily be able to tackle college classes.** >>
>
>All except the part where you accept oppressive and arbitrary rules and
>regulations and inflexibility. Some people are way too smart and experienced
>in real life to accept the hazing abuse that happens in some classes (NOT ALL
>OF THE CLASSES!)
>
>Sandra
>
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>Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:47:07 EST
> From: lurningathome@...
>Subject: Helen.......
>
>In a message dated 12/9/2002 5:15:06 AM Central Standard Time,
>[email protected] writes:
>
> > And we work hard to make good offers to local support groups, too.
> > I've lost track of how many support groups give away free copies at
> > their meetings...
> >
> > Helen
>
>I had subscribed a while back , but canceled.....The magazine kept coming to
>me damaged, and the insides missing.
>I wouldn't mind trying again......
>I had talked to you rep about but she couldn't figure out why either......she
>told me that it was happening alot in illinois.
>
>Kim
>
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>Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:48:55 EST
> From: lurningathome@...
>Subject: hummmm a true phrase.....
>
>In a message dated 12/9/2002 5:15:06 AM Central Standard Time,
>[email protected] writes:
>
> > "In a consumer society there are inevitably two kinds of slaves: the
> > prisoners of addiction and the prisoners of envy." - Ivan Illich
>
>I like that one.......true too.
>
>K
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