Alan & Brenda Leonard

> Ok, I'll take you up on it. Thanks. The only stuff I know about is the
> Bach Suites. I like baroque, classic, romantic, most anything but the
> really weird modern stuff.

So, anybody who really doesn't care about cello music should definitely skip
this post! But we seem to have so many cellists around here that I just
replied to Tia on the list. My apologies to the bored and the unmusical,
and my condolences to those who play the "wrong" instrument! ;)

The Bach suites are sort of the pinacle of unaccompanied music, but there
are several Baroque pieces that are more easily playable than them. Try:

Joseph Bodin de Boismortier (nice name, huh?!), Acht Kleine Stucke, op. 40
these are for cello with optional accomp; they're very nice alone.

Domenico Gabrielli, 7 Ricercari
I like #6 and 7 the best, and #1 and 2 are very blah, by warning.

Georg Philipp Telemann, Fantasia for Cello Solo, transcribed by Valter
Despalj.

The Romantic folk preferred larger groups, so only not much for cello alone.
There's a piece by Klengel, Caprice Op. 43, which is deadly hard, and Max
Reger wrote 3 suites for solo cello. If you know the Bach, you'll realize
that Reger did, too. His 1st suite is based on Bach's 1st. (There are nice
things in the Reger, but the man wrote mountains of music, and didn't seem
to know how to stop when he ran out of good ideas.)

There's a LOT of contemporary music, including things by Bloch, Britten,
Crumb, Hindemith, etc. that are pretty tough. However, try:

Dmitri Kabalevsky, 5 Studies in Major and Minor. These are really nice,
tonal (back and forth from major to minor -- a nice effect), and readable!

Peter Schickele wrote a serious piece for unaccompanied cello called
Vermillion Suite, which is great. He also wrote 2 P.D.Q. Bach "Suites for
Cello All By Its Lonesome". Both are hilarious; I like #2 better.

Robert Muczynski, Gallery Suite, is based on paintings by the American
artist, Charles Birchfield. Very pretty and approachable but still with
some modern harmonies.

Michael Horvit, Lydian Suite (published by Southern Music Co.) He's still
alive and composing in Texas; he's Jewish and his music sounds Jewish. This
is my favorite of everything listed here, and well worth the effort to
learn.

Rudolf Matz, Suite "Lights and Shadows", Suite in C major, Tema con
Variazioni. They're all nice, but not great, inspiring stuff. Very
playable, and tuneful. I use it for teaching; it's about Suzuki book 4
level, if that helps.

And finally, if you like a little more variety in your music, try:

David Eby's Celtic Passage for Solo Cello.
Sean Grissom, Liberty (Fiddling for cello) or Cherry Blossom (Sakura,
Sakura)
or
Benjamin Boone's Buffing the Gut (A Jazz Etude for Solo Cello). This one is
fabulous, but technically killer.

I buy music from Shar (1-800-248-SHAR) or Brodt (1-800-438-4129). Hope that
helps; let me know if you can't find something and need a publsher or other
info.

brenda
p.s. There's some tenor clef in this bunch; you won't learn it without
playing it, so I didn't pull it all out. None of these run into the
stratosphere, so not much treble clef.

[email protected]

In a message dated 11/18/02 9:15:20 AM, abtleo@... writes:

<< Joseph Bodin de Boismortier (nice name, huh?!) >>

YES, and some cool little clockwork-kind of baroque stuff. I've done some of
that for keyboard and (separately) recorder. FUN stuff!

-=- He also wrote 2 P.D.Q. Bach "Suites for
Cello All By Its Lonesome". Both are hilarious; I like #2 better.
-=-

That might be what my friend Mike gets for Christmas. I don't play cello at
ALL and I read the whole post. <g>

Sandra

Tia Leschke

> p.s. There's some tenor clef in this bunch; you won't learn it without
> playing it, so I didn't pull it all out. None of these run into the
> stratosphere, so not much treble clef.

This is wonderful, Brenda. Thanks to you and Sandra. I can handle small
amounts of tenor clef now. I just start to get confused if it stays there
too long. <g> I guess I'm going to be pulling out the cello now.
Tia

Tia Leschke

>
> -=- He also wrote 2 P.D.Q. Bach "Suites for
> Cello All By Its Lonesome". Both are hilarious; I like #2 better.

I love PDQ Bach. He did a concert with the Victoria Symphony years ago, and
I got to go to the dress rehearsal. It took them a while to get his
entrance down. He swung down from the balcony to the stage on a rope. <g>
I'll have to at least try to have a listen to these cello suites.
Tia

[email protected]

In a message dated 11/18/2002 1:44:27 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

> Subject: Re: cello music

DANG.......I would not mind taking up the cello....

My daughter has always been interested in the guitar.
We don't have the money for instruments though.
The though of learning someday stays....

Kim


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tia Leschke

> DANG.......I would not mind taking up the cello....
>
> My daughter has always been interested in the guitar.
> We don't have the money for instruments though.
> The though of learning someday stays....

It doesn't hurt to put the word out to the universe that you'd like access
to those instruments. <g> That's how I got the cello. Well . . . I asked
around, and I happen to know a lot of musicians, and my instrument borrowing
karma is pretty good because I've always loaned out instruments I wasn't
using. But I had a cello to borrow one week after I started asking.
Tia

Alan & Brenda Leonard

11/18/02 20:40:

> -=- He also wrote 2 P.D.Q. Bach "Suites for
> Cello All By Its Lonesome". Both are hilarious; I like #2 better.
> -=-
>
> That might be what my friend Mike gets for Christmas. I don't play cello at
> ALL and I read the whole post. <g>

Sandra,

If you happen to track those down on cd besides on paper, please let me know
where. I'd love to have a recording.

Thanks,
brenda

Alan & Brenda Leonard

11/19/02 03:17:

> DANG.......I would not mind taking up the cello....
>
> My daughter has always been interested in the guitar.
> We don't have the money for instruments though.
> The though of learning someday stays....

Kim,

Ask your friends, family, etc. Tell them you're looking for instruments.
Do you know how many people I know who have a cello (violin, guitar, flute,
etc.) lying around their house collecting dust?!? It's really pitiful.
Maybe someone would loan theirs to you. You might have to invest in a new
set of strings, but those are cheap enough (unless you're like me and
terribly picky about them...!). Just start telling people you're looking to
borrow one. Perfectly sane, normal-looking people have these old instrument
skeletons in their closet.....

Hey, it's worth a try!

brenda

Kelli Traaseth

Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote: **I love PDQ Bach.**

My mom just went to her 50th class reunion and was asking me if I'd heard of PDQ, and I'm like "Yeeaahhh!?!" and she goes on to tell me that he graduated with her (from Fargo High School)she's known him for all these years! Cool!

I don't think she knows how well-known he is, she said he's a pretty funny guy, anything creative is funny to my mom.

Just my 2 cents on PDQ Bach, I'm trying to remember his given name but can't come up with it.

Take Care,
Kelli>
> -=- He also wrote 2 P.D.Q. Bach "Suites for
> Cello All By Its Lonesome". Both are hilarious; I like #2 better.

I love PDQ Bach. He did a concert with the Victoria Symphony years ago, and
I got to go to the dress rehearsal. It took them a while to get his
entrance down. He swung down from the balcony to the stage on a rope. <g>
I'll have to at least try to have a listen to these cello suites.
Tia


~~~~ Don't forget! If you change topics, change the subject line! ~~~~

If you have questions, concerns or problems with this list, please email the moderator, Joyce Fetteroll (fetteroll@...), or the list owner, Helen Hegener (HEM-Editor@...).

To unsubscribe from this group, click on the following link or address an email to:
[email protected]

Visit the Unschooling website: http://www.unschooling.com

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Kelli Traaseth

Kim,
Have you asked around about full sized cellos laying around?

I wanted to learn and my son was taking, and here in the closet at the music school was a full size that noone was using. I asked about it and it turned out to be owned by a musician who was travelling alot and I used it free for a year.

I did end up giving it back last month because the teacher thought I should buy it and I didn't know if it was worth the 300 or 500 they were asking. Mistake on my part I wish I would have just bought it. I'm looking for another.

I play violin , and cello was pretty easy to pick up once I got used to thinking backwards, with fingering and everything, the one great thing about me playing was that my ds then would play and play, now since I've given back the full size he has hardly played, <sad>

I have not even attempted the Tenor clef, what's that?<g>

I also want to learn fiddling(sp?) techniques, I've never done that.

Kelli, also, "so many instruments and music, so little time"
lurningathome@... wrote:In a message dated 11/18/2002 1:44:27 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

> Subject: Re: cello music

DANG.......I would not mind taking up the cello....

My daughter has always been interested in the guitar.
We don't have the money for instruments though.
The though of learning someday stays....

Kim


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


~~~~ Don't forget! If you change topics, change the subject line! ~~~~

If you have questions, concerns or problems with this list, please email the moderator, Joyce Fetteroll (fetteroll@...), or the list owner, Helen Hegener (HEM-Editor@...).

To unsubscribe from this group, click on the following link or address an email to:
[email protected]

Visit the Unschooling website: http://www.unschooling.com

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Kelli Traaseth

Sorry guys, I guess I should read through posts before I post, Oh well, that's me, impetuous as always.
Kelli
Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:> DANG.......I would not mind taking up the cello....
>
> My daughter has always been interested in the guitar.
> We don't have the money for instruments though.
> The though of learning someday stays....

It doesn't hurt to put the word out to the universe that you'd like access
to those instruments. <g> That's how I got the cello. Well . . . I asked
around, and I happen to know a lot of musicians, and my instrument borrowing
karma is pretty good because I've always loaned out instruments I wasn't
using. But I had a cello to borrow one week after I started asking.
Tia


~~~~ Don't forget! If you change topics, change the subject line! ~~~~

If you have questions, concerns or problems with this list, please email the moderator, Joyce Fetteroll (fetteroll@...), or the list owner, Helen Hegener (HEM-Editor@...).

To unsubscribe from this group, click on the following link or address an email to:
[email protected]

Visit the Unschooling website: http://www.unschooling.com

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tia Leschke

>
> Just my 2 cents on PDQ Bach, I'm trying to remember his given name but
can't come up with it.

Peter Shickle (sp?)
Tia

Tia Leschke

>
> Ask your friends, family, etc. Tell them you're looking for instruments.
> Do you know how many people I know who have a cello (violin, guitar,
flute,
> etc.) lying around their house collecting dust?!? It's really pitiful.
> Maybe someone would loan theirs to you. You might have to invest in a new
> set of strings, but those are cheap enough (unless you're like me and
> terribly picky about them...!). Just start telling people you're looking
to
> borrow one. Perfectly sane, normal-looking people have these old
instrument
> skeletons in their closet.....
>
> Hey, it's worth a try!

Really, it is. That's exactly how I got mine. I just asked if anyone had a
cello in their attic or basement that nobody was playing but they didn't
want to sell. It isn't just unschoolers who keep instruments around when
they don't actually play them. <g>
Tia

Tia Leschke

> I have not even attempted the Tenor clef, what's that?<g>

Middle C is on the second line from the top.
Tia

[email protected]

I read through nearly everything (not all, though) they had on Amazon,
ordered myself some used copies of some CDs (I have two albums; one a double,
but none on CD), but didn't find the cello stuff.

I thought this was funny. (But it's all funny.)

12. The Preachers of Crimetheus, ballet in One Selfless Act, S988 1. Prologue
(Bottomless Sorrow; Topless Gaiety)

Anyone who hasn't heard PDQ Bach, it's truly worth a look or a listen. there
are some samples if you click on the specific albums and "see more product
detail" at Amazon.com

choose classical music in the upper left search box, and put in P.D.Q. Bach
(with the periods).

Sandra

[email protected]

In a message dated 11/18/02 9:17:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lurningathome@... writes:

> My daughter has always been interested in the guitar.
> We don't have the money for instruments though.
> The though of learning someday stays....
>
> Kim
>
>
>

Walmart has a whole guitar set up right now. It is $99 and includes guitar,
case, tuner, extra strings, and two other things i can't recall, maybe a
strap? It's a deal!
You can also look in the paper and get one through the cheapie section.
or borrow one!
Elissa


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Kelli Traaseth

Yep! Thanks Tia, that's it.
kelli
Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:>
> Just my 2 cents on PDQ Bach, I'm trying to remember his given name but
can't come up with it.

Peter Shickle (sp?)
Tia


~~~~ Don't forget! If you change topics, change the subject line! ~~~~

If you have questions, concerns or problems with this list, please email the moderator, Joyce Fetteroll (fetteroll@...), or the list owner, Helen Hegener (HEM-Editor@...).

To unsubscribe from this group, click on the following link or address an email to:
[email protected]

Visit the Unschooling website: http://www.unschooling.com

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Kelli Traaseth

Yeah, I know, sarcasm is really hard on the computer!
Kelli
Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:> I have not even attempted the Tenor clef, what's that?<g>

Middle C is on the second line from the top.
Tia


~~~~ Don't forget! If you change topics, change the subject line! ~~~~

If you have questions, concerns or problems with this list, please email the moderator, Joyce Fetteroll (fetteroll@...), or the list owner, Helen Hegener (HEM-Editor@...).

To unsubscribe from this group, click on the following link or address an email to:
[email protected]

Visit the Unschooling website: http://www.unschooling.com

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[email protected]

In a message dated 11/19/02 2:21:51 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< Walmart has a whole guitar set up right now. It is $99 and includes
guitar,
case, tuner, extra strings, and two other things i can't recall, maybe a
strap? It's a deal! >>

But it doesn't have good tuners. As soon as you tune it, it slips back out of
tune. And I think hearing the correct notes are important.
I would invest a little bit more to make sure you have a decent instrument if
the child is truly interested.
Or buy used!!

Ren
Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
And remember,
"A life lived in fear is a life half lived"

[email protected]

In a message dated 11/19/2002 3:10:38 PM Central Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:

> I would invest a little bit more to make sure you have a decent instrument
> if
> the child is truly interested.
> Or buy used!!
>

Pawn shops. Consignment music stores.

Google on how to buy a guitar, too.

Tuck, did that twice last year.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tia Leschke

>
> Yeah, I know, sarcasm is really hard on the computer!
> Kelli

Huh?
Tia

> Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:> I have not even attempted the Tenor
clef, what's that?<g>
>
> Middle C is on the second line from the top.
> Tia
>
>
> ~~~~ Don't forget! If you change topics, change the subject line! ~~~~
>
> If you have questions, concerns or problems with this list, please email
the moderator, Joyce Fetteroll (fetteroll@...), or the list owner,
Helen Hegener (HEM-Editor@...).
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, click on the following link or address an
email to:
> [email protected]
>
> Visit the Unschooling website: http://www.unschooling.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ~~~~ Don't forget! If you change topics, change the subject line! ~~~~
>
> If you have questions, concerns or problems with this list, please email
the moderator, Joyce Fetteroll (fetteroll@...), or the list owner,
Helen Hegener (HEM-Editor@...).
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, click on the following link or address an
email to:
> [email protected]
>
> Visit the Unschooling website: http://www.unschooling.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Alan & Brenda Leonard

11/19/02 17:56:

> I have not even attempted the Tenor clef, what's that?<g>
>
Um, ok, let me try this without a piece of manuscript paper in front of me.

So, imagine some blank piano music. You know the C that's middle c? It
hangs 1 ledger line below the treble clef staff. Ok, good.

Now imagine the bass clef staff. That same C (middle c) sits one ledger
line above the bass clef staff. (That's why it's called middle c, by the
way. It's in the middle. Duh, of course, but I was halfway through a music
degree before that stupid fact occured to me!)

Now, since that c could actually be written on a proper line if you just
stuck an extra one in there between the treble and bass clefs, go ahead and
mentally draw one in.

That C line that you just drew with your mind is the second from the top
line of the 5 in Tenor clef. (If you did this right, it's in the place
where you would normally find F in bass clef.) The symbol for tenor clef is
either a K or a B, with the center of the letter aligned on the 2nd line
from the top. (Violas play in alto clef, and their K or B is on the center
line, since that's where middle c is in alto clef.)

The lines in tenor clef, from top to bottom are DFACE. It's a clef used to
write music for cello and trombone when bass clef is too low. Rather than
jumping right into treble clef and having to move back and forth between
treble and bass clefs when the music went higher or lower, we use tenor
clef; it's right in the range you need for 3rd position on the A string
through about 7th position.

I'm sure that's about as clear as mud, but there you are.

brenda

Tia Leschke

>
> That C line that you just drew with your mind is the second from the top
> line of the 5 in Tenor clef. (If you did this right, it's in the place
> where you would normally find F in bass clef.) The symbol for tenor clef
is
> either a K or a B, with the center of the letter aligned on the 2nd line
> from the top. (Violas play in alto clef, and their K or B is on the
center
> line, since that's where middle c is in alto clef.)

I guess since I'm used to transposing, I could just transpose up a fifth.
Right?
Tia

Kelli Traaseth

Tia, sorry for the confusion, I know what the tenor clef is but I have never learned anything about it or used it when playing.
When I said, What's that? I meant that I'd never used it.

I have to try and figure out how to imply sarcasm on the computer. Its probably out there somewhere, but I havn't really searched for it yet.
Kelli
Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I know, sarcasm is really hard on the computer!
> Kelli

Huh?
Tia

> Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:> I have not even attempted the Tenor
clef, what's that?<g>
>
> Middle C is on the second line from the top.
> Tia
>
>
> ~~~~ Don't forget! If you change topics, change the subject line! ~~~~
>
> If you have questions, concerns or problems with this list, please email
the moderator, Joyce Fetteroll (fetteroll@...), or the list owner,
Helen Hegener (HEM-Editor@...).
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, click on the following link or address an
email to:
> [email protected]
>
> Visit the Unschooling website: http://www.unschooling.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ~~~~ Don't forget! If you change topics, change the subject line! ~~~~
>
> If you have questions, concerns or problems with this list, please email
the moderator, Joyce Fetteroll (fetteroll@...), or the list owner,
Helen Hegener (HEM-Editor@...).
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, click on the following link or address an
email to:
> [email protected]
>
> Visit the Unschooling website: http://www.unschooling.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>


~~~~ Don't forget! If you change topics, change the subject line! ~~~~

If you have questions, concerns or problems with this list, please email the moderator, Joyce Fetteroll (fetteroll@...), or the list owner, Helen Hegener (HEM-Editor@...).

To unsubscribe from this group, click on the following link or address an email to:
[email protected]

Visit the Unschooling website: http://www.unschooling.com

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tia Leschke

> Tia, sorry for the confusion, I know what the tenor clef is but I have
never learned anything about it or used it when playing.
> When I said, What's that? I meant that I'd never used it.

Ah, now I get it. I definitely haven't found tenor clef easy. But then
it's a long time since I actually learned a new clef.
Tia

Alan & Brenda Leonard

11/20/02 04:33:

> I guess since I'm used to transposing, I could just transpose up a fifth.
> Right?
> Tia

Yep! But not everybody transposes, so I didn't even think to put it that
way. I'm really bad at it, but of course you learn that for horn. Duh.

:)

brenda

Tia Leschke

>
> Yep! But not everybody transposes, so I didn't even think to put it that
> way. I'm really bad at it, but of course you learn that for horn. Duh.

Yup! Horn in Eb, horn in E, horn in D, horn in C, horn in B, horn in Bb,
horn in A, horn in G. And those are just the common ones.
Tia