Music the Unschooling way
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In a message dated 11/13/02 8:23:55 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
I read a question earlier about making children practice instruments (a sure
fire way to stop the love of music dead in it's tracks) and I thought that
what I read today was very relevant and good info. to share.
I bought a book of the first 12 issues of GWS, John Holt all the way.
Here's an article he printed in the third issue of GWS in 1978. He was
reprinting an article from a book titled "Piano: Guided sight reading" by
Leonard Deutch....
"The famous Hungarian and Slovak gypsies have a century-old musical
tradition. This colorful fok has brought forth numerous excellent
instrumentalists, notably violinists. They learn to play much as an infant
learns to walk-without teaching methods, lessons. or drills. No written
music is used. The youngster is merely given a small fiddle and allowed to
join the gypsy band. He gets no explanations or corrections. He causes no
disturbance, for his timid efforts are scarcely audible. He listens: he
tries to play simultaneously what he hears, and gradually succeeds in finding
the right notes and producing a good tone.
Within a few years he has developed into a full fledged member of the band
with complette command of his instrument. Are these gypsy children
particularly gifted? No, almost any child could accomplish what they do. The
band acts as teacher talking to the pupil in the direct language of music.
The novice, by joining the band, is immediately placed in the most helpful
musical atmosphere and psychological situation: thus, from the beginning, he
finds the right approach to musical activity."
Me again:
No, we don't have a tribe of people playing music in our home every day. But
the lesson here can be used.
Surround children with music, surround them with musicians if that's what
they wish. Give them access to instruments, as many as possible, access to
teachers they can come and go from as they choose.
Let it be THEIR experience. Hold no hopes for what you want them to get out
of it.
It must be theirs and if you allow it to be totally their own way, you will
enable them to enjoy music and instruments for life. Not turn it into a chore
that will snuff that joy out forever.
Don't decide for them that they need mastery of an instrument. Only they can
decide how far to push themselves. Offer, encourage, join in, but do not
push or force.
Please!!
Ren, a former music lover that got ruined by lessons and is now reclaiming
the joy of music.....
[email protected] writes:
I read a question earlier about making children practice instruments (a sure
fire way to stop the love of music dead in it's tracks) and I thought that
what I read today was very relevant and good info. to share.
I bought a book of the first 12 issues of GWS, John Holt all the way.
Here's an article he printed in the third issue of GWS in 1978. He was
reprinting an article from a book titled "Piano: Guided sight reading" by
Leonard Deutch....
"The famous Hungarian and Slovak gypsies have a century-old musical
tradition. This colorful fok has brought forth numerous excellent
instrumentalists, notably violinists. They learn to play much as an infant
learns to walk-without teaching methods, lessons. or drills. No written
music is used. The youngster is merely given a small fiddle and allowed to
join the gypsy band. He gets no explanations or corrections. He causes no
disturbance, for his timid efforts are scarcely audible. He listens: he
tries to play simultaneously what he hears, and gradually succeeds in finding
the right notes and producing a good tone.
Within a few years he has developed into a full fledged member of the band
with complette command of his instrument. Are these gypsy children
particularly gifted? No, almost any child could accomplish what they do. The
band acts as teacher talking to the pupil in the direct language of music.
The novice, by joining the band, is immediately placed in the most helpful
musical atmosphere and psychological situation: thus, from the beginning, he
finds the right approach to musical activity."
Me again:
No, we don't have a tribe of people playing music in our home every day. But
the lesson here can be used.
Surround children with music, surround them with musicians if that's what
they wish. Give them access to instruments, as many as possible, access to
teachers they can come and go from as they choose.
Let it be THEIR experience. Hold no hopes for what you want them to get out
of it.
It must be theirs and if you allow it to be totally their own way, you will
enable them to enjoy music and instruments for life. Not turn it into a chore
that will snuff that joy out forever.
Don't decide for them that they need mastery of an instrument. Only they can
decide how far to push themselves. Offer, encourage, join in, but do not
push or force.
Please!!
Ren, a former music lover that got ruined by lessons and is now reclaiming
the joy of music.....
susan marie
thank you for this post. It's funny how some things are harder to "let
go" of than others. I know my girls like music, like playing. One
doesn't want a teacher at all, but the other does, but not until she
decides she's ready. That's fine. I did suggest they didn't have to
follow their books - just have fun. I am completely amazed at how good
they sound - much better than a friend who's been taking school lessons
for a few years now. I've been wanting to get a keyboard for myself, but
have been hesitant to spend the money. It doesn't feel like something we
"need" ... but perhaps that would do a number of things.. putting more
music into the house, playing for fun, and so on. We do play for fun
now, but I confess that it's hard for me not to interfere. My four year
old pulls out the old guitar a lot and messes with that, but he keeps
telling me he wants a violin.
this has been an interesting discussion.
peace,
Susan
go" of than others. I know my girls like music, like playing. One
doesn't want a teacher at all, but the other does, but not until she
decides she's ready. That's fine. I did suggest they didn't have to
follow their books - just have fun. I am completely amazed at how good
they sound - much better than a friend who's been taking school lessons
for a few years now. I've been wanting to get a keyboard for myself, but
have been hesitant to spend the money. It doesn't feel like something we
"need" ... but perhaps that would do a number of things.. putting more
music into the house, playing for fun, and so on. We do play for fun
now, but I confess that it's hard for me not to interfere. My four year
old pulls out the old guitar a lot and messes with that, but he keeps
telling me he wants a violin.
this has been an interesting discussion.
peace,
Susan
On Thursday, November 14, 2002, at 12:03 AM, starsuncloud@... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/13/02 8:23:55 PM Central Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> I read a question earlier about making children practice instruments (a
> sure
> fire way to stop the love of music dead in it's tracks) and I thought
> that
> what I read today was very relevant and good info. to share.
> I bought a book of the first 12 issues of GWS, John Holt all the way.
> Here's an article he printed in the third issue of GWS in 1978. He was
> reprinting an article from a book titled "Piano: Guided sight reading"
> by
> Leonard Deutch....
>
> "The famous Hungarian and Slovak gypsies have a century-old musical
> tradition. This colorful fok has brought forth numerous excellent
> instrumentalists, notably violinists. They learn to play much as an
> infant
> learns to walk-without teaching methods, lessons. or drills. No written
> music is used. The youngster is merely given a small fiddle and
> allowed to
> join the gypsy band. He gets no explanations or corrections. He
> causes no
> disturbance, for his timid efforts are scarcely audible. He listens: he
> tries to play simultaneously what he hears, and gradually succeeds in
> finding
> the right notes and producing a good tone.
> Within a few years he has developed into a full fledged member of the
> band
> with complette command of his instrument. Are these gypsy children
> particularly gifted? No, almost any child could accomplish what they
> do. The
> band acts as teacher talking to the pupil in the direct language of
> music.
> The novice, by joining the band, is immediately placed in the most
> helpful
> musical atmosphere and psychological situation: thus, from the
> beginning, he
> finds the right approach to musical activity."
>
> Me again:
> No, we don't have a tribe of people playing music in our home every
> day. But
> the lesson here can be used.
> Surround children with music, surround them with musicians if that's
> what
> they wish. Give them access to instruments, as many as possible, access
> to
> teachers they can come and go from as they choose.
> Let it be THEIR experience. Hold no hopes for what you want them to get
> out
> of it.
> It must be theirs and if you allow it to be totally their own way, you
> will
> enable them to enjoy music and instruments for life. Not turn it into a
> chore
> that will snuff that joy out forever.
> Don't decide for them that they need mastery of an instrument. Only
> they can
> decide how far to push themselves. Offer, encourage, join in, but do
> not
> push or force.
> Please!!
>
>
> Ren, a former music lover that got ruined by lessons and is now
> reclaiming
> the joy of music.....
>
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peace,
Susan
"Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which
we arrive at that goal."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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In a message dated 11/13/02 10:05:56 PM, starsuncloud@... writes:
<< Me again:
No, we don't have a tribe of people playing music in our home every day. But
the lesson here can be used.
Surround children with music, surround them with musicians if that's what
they wish. Give them access to instruments, as many as possible, access to
teachers they can come and go from as they choose. >>
Holly's fiddle teacher, and her former fiddle teacher (she dropped out for a
few months), and others in town, publish a list of jam sessions the kids can
go to. One is specifically for kids. The others are "real"--just whoever.
I had planned to start taking Holly just about the time I broke my leg, but
they'll still be there. Mostly it's bluegrass and old-timey. One group is
the live music for the contradancers.
We wanted Holly to do one piece with us in our Wednesday Renaissance music
group (me, Keith, and two other guys), because there's a medieval piece
called "Edi Beo," with a three-note harmony. I asked her fiddle teacher for
advice on fingering, and she told me that it was in a bad key for Holly. Her
teacher transposed it (both parts), got me to record it with her (me on
recorder; we switched parts), she put it on a practice and samples CD for all
her students, and now the Wednesday group plays it in Holly's key. Holly
and the teacher are doing it for the Christmas concert.
Her usual practices are me and her both. While she still has a rented 3/4
violin, I'm playing her full-size. I have a better ear and can tune them,
but I never played "strings"--I played guitar, though, so it's not foreign.
And I do keyboards and recorder and have sung formally with music, "for real"
<bwg>. So she corrects my bow hold and elbows (the best way to learn is
often to teach), and I play the melody roughly while she plays the harmony
well. So I'm learning to play fiddle with Holly.
Sandra
<< Me again:
No, we don't have a tribe of people playing music in our home every day. But
the lesson here can be used.
Surround children with music, surround them with musicians if that's what
they wish. Give them access to instruments, as many as possible, access to
teachers they can come and go from as they choose. >>
Holly's fiddle teacher, and her former fiddle teacher (she dropped out for a
few months), and others in town, publish a list of jam sessions the kids can
go to. One is specifically for kids. The others are "real"--just whoever.
I had planned to start taking Holly just about the time I broke my leg, but
they'll still be there. Mostly it's bluegrass and old-timey. One group is
the live music for the contradancers.
We wanted Holly to do one piece with us in our Wednesday Renaissance music
group (me, Keith, and two other guys), because there's a medieval piece
called "Edi Beo," with a three-note harmony. I asked her fiddle teacher for
advice on fingering, and she told me that it was in a bad key for Holly. Her
teacher transposed it (both parts), got me to record it with her (me on
recorder; we switched parts), she put it on a practice and samples CD for all
her students, and now the Wednesday group plays it in Holly's key. Holly
and the teacher are doing it for the Christmas concert.
Her usual practices are me and her both. While she still has a rented 3/4
violin, I'm playing her full-size. I have a better ear and can tune them,
but I never played "strings"--I played guitar, though, so it's not foreign.
And I do keyboards and recorder and have sung formally with music, "for real"
<bwg>. So she corrects my bow hold and elbows (the best way to learn is
often to teach), and I play the melody roughly while she plays the harmony
well. So I'm learning to play fiddle with Holly.
Sandra
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In a message dated 11/14/02 5:52:03 AM, scribblers2@... writes:
<< I've been wanting to get a keyboard for myself, but
have been hesitant to spend the money. It doesn't feel like something we
"need" ... but perhaps that would do a number of things.. putting more
music into the house, playing for fun, and so on. >>
It's also much easier to SEE music on a keyboard than any other instrument.
You should get one. Used if you need to.
<<My four year
old pulls out the old guitar a lot and messes with that, but he keeps
telling me he wants a violin.>>
There are some Chinese-made violins available on E-Bay, new, and inexpensive.
Cheaper than a few months' rental, and if you get tired of it you could sell
it. But I wouldn't.
My parents had a violin when I was a kid and I used to get it out and mess
with it, but they sold a lot of instruments one year. I was very sad they
did. My mom did it to do Christmas for us. Keith and I made a pact when we
were young NEVER to sell an instrument for money. <g>
And once we even bought an instrument with a tax refund. A resin
reproduction of a medieval German instrument that's in a museum. A
double-bore, indirect-blow double-reed thing called a Kortholt. His mom was
appalled. <g>
Brace yourselves for sadness, or go right by this to the next e-mail.
That year, my mom sold a flat-top acoustic guitar (she kept the arch-body
blues guitar, which is what I learned on before I bought my own),
an accordian (all white and gold with mother-of-pearl)
an electric steel guitar, 50's Hawaiian/C&W style
a "Les Paul Jr." electric guitar and a Fender amplifier
a violin
I doubt I have one thing left from that Christmas. I don't even remember
what we got.
Sandra
<< I've been wanting to get a keyboard for myself, but
have been hesitant to spend the money. It doesn't feel like something we
"need" ... but perhaps that would do a number of things.. putting more
music into the house, playing for fun, and so on. >>
It's also much easier to SEE music on a keyboard than any other instrument.
You should get one. Used if you need to.
<<My four year
old pulls out the old guitar a lot and messes with that, but he keeps
telling me he wants a violin.>>
There are some Chinese-made violins available on E-Bay, new, and inexpensive.
Cheaper than a few months' rental, and if you get tired of it you could sell
it. But I wouldn't.
My parents had a violin when I was a kid and I used to get it out and mess
with it, but they sold a lot of instruments one year. I was very sad they
did. My mom did it to do Christmas for us. Keith and I made a pact when we
were young NEVER to sell an instrument for money. <g>
And once we even bought an instrument with a tax refund. A resin
reproduction of a medieval German instrument that's in a museum. A
double-bore, indirect-blow double-reed thing called a Kortholt. His mom was
appalled. <g>
Brace yourselves for sadness, or go right by this to the next e-mail.
That year, my mom sold a flat-top acoustic guitar (she kept the arch-body
blues guitar, which is what I learned on before I bought my own),
an accordian (all white and gold with mother-of-pearl)
an electric steel guitar, 50's Hawaiian/C&W style
a "Les Paul Jr." electric guitar and a Fender amplifier
a violin
I doubt I have one thing left from that Christmas. I don't even remember
what we got.
Sandra
Tia Leschke
> It must be theirs and if you allow it to be totally their own way, youwill
> enable them to enjoy music and instruments for life. Not turn it into achore
> that will snuff that joy out forever.can
> Don't decide for them that they need mastery of an instrument. Only they
> decide how far to push themselves. Offer, encourage, join in, but do notAnd read Making Music for the Joy of It by Stephanie Judy (unschooling
> push or force.
> Please!!
mother).
Tia
wanderingmommy
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
That year, my mom sold a flat-top acoustic guitar (she kept the arch-
body
blues guitar, which is what I learned on before I bought my own),
an accordian (all white and gold with mother-of-pearl)
an electric steel guitar, 50's Hawaiian/C&W style
a "Les Paul Jr." electric guitar and a Fender amplifier
a violin
I doubt I have one thing left from that Christmas. I don't even
remember
what we got.
Sandra
Oh man (or should I say woman<g>), that's just awful!!! I still have
my very first guitar (a Sears Silvertone Acoustic) and the old
electric amp my dad picked up from a garage sale when I was 10. Turns
out the amp is worth a few hundred dollars now, but I wouldn't part
with it for anything! Now I'm trying to retrieve the accordian my
parents loaned to a family friend years ago.
So people, the lesson here is once an instrument enters your home IT
SHOULD STAY THERE!!!! For all time and eternity! In our house there
are more guitars (and pianos and violins and violas and harmonicas
and etc...) than people. IMHO, a house without music is not a home.
Beth
>Brace yourselves for sadness, or go right by this to the next e-mail.
That year, my mom sold a flat-top acoustic guitar (she kept the arch-
body
blues guitar, which is what I learned on before I bought my own),
an accordian (all white and gold with mother-of-pearl)
an electric steel guitar, 50's Hawaiian/C&W style
a "Les Paul Jr." electric guitar and a Fender amplifier
a violin
I doubt I have one thing left from that Christmas. I don't even
remember
what we got.
Sandra
Oh man (or should I say woman<g>), that's just awful!!! I still have
my very first guitar (a Sears Silvertone Acoustic) and the old
electric amp my dad picked up from a garage sale when I was 10. Turns
out the amp is worth a few hundred dollars now, but I wouldn't part
with it for anything! Now I'm trying to retrieve the accordian my
parents loaned to a family friend years ago.
So people, the lesson here is once an instrument enters your home IT
SHOULD STAY THERE!!!! For all time and eternity! In our house there
are more guitars (and pianos and violins and violas and harmonicas
and etc...) than people. IMHO, a house without music is not a home.
Beth
Tia Leschke
>We've sold off one instrument in order to buy another a few times, but
> So people, the lesson here is once an instrument enters your home IT
> SHOULD STAY THERE!!!! For all time and eternity! In our house there
> are more guitars (and pianos and violins and violas and harmonicas
> and etc...) than people. IMHO, a house without music is not a home.
otherwise I agree. We have my horn and my borrowed cello. (My old horn is
loaned out.) We've also got a Gibson Gospel, an electric Gibson, a homemade
electric bass, a trombone, an accordian, a mandolin, and a dulcimer besides
the piano. Oh, and my daughter has my violin. Three people, a dog, and a
cat live here. Oh, and harmonicas and at least a recorder or two.
<g>
Tia
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In a message dated 11/14/02 12:36:51 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Keith and I made a pact when we
were young NEVER to sell an instrument for money. >>
I agree with this idea!!! Hugely.
I regret the fact that I sold my flute nearly every time I think about it.
When a person tires of an instrument, they should just put it away, and never
think of selling it, especially in a house full of children.
I am now trying to fill our home with instruments and it ain't cheap!!
Ren
Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
And remember,
"A life lived in fear is a life half lived"
[email protected] writes:
<< Keith and I made a pact when we
were young NEVER to sell an instrument for money. >>
I agree with this idea!!! Hugely.
I regret the fact that I sold my flute nearly every time I think about it.
When a person tires of an instrument, they should just put it away, and never
think of selling it, especially in a house full of children.
I am now trying to fill our home with instruments and it ain't cheap!!
Ren
Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
And remember,
"A life lived in fear is a life half lived"
tessimal
We recently attended a free World Music concert at a local
university, part of a series of concerts that are offered free
by the College Conservatory of Music here. This one was presenting
two master mbira musicians from Zimbabwe. It was wonderful! The
concert inspire us to search the web and find some great sites with
info about Zimbabwe, and about how to build our own kalimba, or thumb
harp, or the slightly more complicated mbira. And then we found some
other sites on how to make several other ethnic or folk instruments.
These could all be great home projects for someone interested in
music or building something neat. Great for the self-motivated
learner. And lots of fun to play, too. Here are the sites I found:
http://www.mbira.org/
http://www.bham.net/soe/stm/jkunaka.html
http://www.usd259.com/media/crafts/this-months-craft.htm
http://www.ehhs.cmich.edu/~dhavlena/
And here are some sites about Zimbabwe-
The Zimbabwe Page with links to many other Zimbabwe sites (long URL):
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/African_Studies/Country_Specific/
Zimbabwe.html
Norma
CATCH(Cincinnati Area - Teaching Children at Home)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SosinkyHS
university, part of a series of concerts that are offered free
by the College Conservatory of Music here. This one was presenting
two master mbira musicians from Zimbabwe. It was wonderful! The
concert inspire us to search the web and find some great sites with
info about Zimbabwe, and about how to build our own kalimba, or thumb
harp, or the slightly more complicated mbira. And then we found some
other sites on how to make several other ethnic or folk instruments.
These could all be great home projects for someone interested in
music or building something neat. Great for the self-motivated
learner. And lots of fun to play, too. Here are the sites I found:
http://www.mbira.org/
http://www.bham.net/soe/stm/jkunaka.html
http://www.usd259.com/media/crafts/this-months-craft.htm
http://www.ehhs.cmich.edu/~dhavlena/
And here are some sites about Zimbabwe-
The Zimbabwe Page with links to many other Zimbabwe sites (long URL):
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/African_Studies/Country_Specific/
Zimbabwe.html
Norma
CATCH(Cincinnati Area - Teaching Children at Home)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SosinkyHS
Kelli Traaseth
Thank you Ren, exactly what I meant!
I just wish I had the funds to purchase all the different instruments!!
Kelli, also a music lover, trying to find the musician again.
starsuncloud@... wrote:In a message dated 11/13/02 8:23:55 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
I read a question earlier about making children practice instruments (a sure
fire way to stop the love of music dead in it's tracks) and I thought that
what I read today was very relevant and good info. to share.
I bought a book of the first 12 issues of GWS, John Holt all the way.
Here's an article he printed in the third issue of GWS in 1978. He was
reprinting an article from a book titled "Piano: Guided sight reading" by
Leonard Deutch....
"The famous Hungarian and Slovak gypsies have a century-old musical
tradition. This colorful fok has brought forth numerous excellent
instrumentalists, notably violinists. They learn to play much as an infant
learns to walk-without teaching methods, lessons. or drills. No written
music is used. The youngster is merely given a small fiddle and allowed to
join the gypsy band. He gets no explanations or corrections. He causes no
disturbance, for his timid efforts are scarcely audible. He listens: he
tries to play simultaneously what he hears, and gradually succeeds in finding
the right notes and producing a good tone.
Within a few years he has developed into a full fledged member of the band
with complette command of his instrument. Are these gypsy children
particularly gifted? No, almost any child could accomplish what they do. The
band acts as teacher talking to the pupil in the direct language of music.
The novice, by joining the band, is immediately placed in the most helpful
musical atmosphere and psychological situation: thus, from the beginning, he
finds the right approach to musical activity."
Me again:
No, we don't have a tribe of people playing music in our home every day. But
the lesson here can be used.
Surround children with music, surround them with musicians if that's what
they wish. Give them access to instruments, as many as possible, access to
teachers they can come and go from as they choose.
Let it be THEIR experience. Hold no hopes for what you want them to get out
of it.
It must be theirs and if you allow it to be totally their own way, you will
enable them to enjoy music and instruments for life. Not turn it into a chore
that will snuff that joy out forever.
Don't decide for them that they need mastery of an instrument. Only they can
decide how far to push themselves. Offer, encourage, join in, but do not
push or force.
Please!!
Ren, a former music lover that got ruined by lessons and is now reclaiming
the joy of music.....
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I just wish I had the funds to purchase all the different instruments!!
Kelli, also a music lover, trying to find the musician again.
starsuncloud@... wrote:In a message dated 11/13/02 8:23:55 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
I read a question earlier about making children practice instruments (a sure
fire way to stop the love of music dead in it's tracks) and I thought that
what I read today was very relevant and good info. to share.
I bought a book of the first 12 issues of GWS, John Holt all the way.
Here's an article he printed in the third issue of GWS in 1978. He was
reprinting an article from a book titled "Piano: Guided sight reading" by
Leonard Deutch....
"The famous Hungarian and Slovak gypsies have a century-old musical
tradition. This colorful fok has brought forth numerous excellent
instrumentalists, notably violinists. They learn to play much as an infant
learns to walk-without teaching methods, lessons. or drills. No written
music is used. The youngster is merely given a small fiddle and allowed to
join the gypsy band. He gets no explanations or corrections. He causes no
disturbance, for his timid efforts are scarcely audible. He listens: he
tries to play simultaneously what he hears, and gradually succeeds in finding
the right notes and producing a good tone.
Within a few years he has developed into a full fledged member of the band
with complette command of his instrument. Are these gypsy children
particularly gifted? No, almost any child could accomplish what they do. The
band acts as teacher talking to the pupil in the direct language of music.
The novice, by joining the band, is immediately placed in the most helpful
musical atmosphere and psychological situation: thus, from the beginning, he
finds the right approach to musical activity."
Me again:
No, we don't have a tribe of people playing music in our home every day. But
the lesson here can be used.
Surround children with music, surround them with musicians if that's what
they wish. Give them access to instruments, as many as possible, access to
teachers they can come and go from as they choose.
Let it be THEIR experience. Hold no hopes for what you want them to get out
of it.
It must be theirs and if you allow it to be totally their own way, you will
enable them to enjoy music and instruments for life. Not turn it into a chore
that will snuff that joy out forever.
Don't decide for them that they need mastery of an instrument. Only they can
decide how far to push themselves. Offer, encourage, join in, but do not
push or force.
Please!!
Ren, a former music lover that got ruined by lessons and is now reclaiming
the joy of music.....
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In a message dated 11/14/02 11:09:58 AM, webbdionfam@... writes:
<< So people, the lesson here is once an instrument enters your home IT
SHOULD STAY THERE!!!! For all time and eternity! >>
AMEN.
And if you're not going to use it, save it for great grandchildren whose
parents haven't yet been born.
Sandra
<< So people, the lesson here is once an instrument enters your home IT
SHOULD STAY THERE!!!! For all time and eternity! >>
AMEN.
And if you're not going to use it, save it for great grandchildren whose
parents haven't yet been born.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/14/02 11:55:24 AM, leschke@... writes:
<< Oh, and my daughter has my violin. Three people, a dog, and a
cat live here. Oh, and harmonicas and at least a recorder or two. >>
Well, some of the people and animals will eventually leave and you'll have
room for more instruments!
Sandra
<< Oh, and my daughter has my violin. Three people, a dog, and a
cat live here. Oh, and harmonicas and at least a recorder or two. >>
Well, some of the people and animals will eventually leave and you'll have
room for more instruments!
Sandra
Betsy
**<< So people, the lesson here is once an instrument enters your home
IT
SHOULD STAY THERE!!!! For all time and eternity! >>
AMEN.
And if you're not going to use it, save it for great grandchildren whose
parents haven't yet been born.
**
Is there a loophole in this rule somewhere? I have an hand-me-down
accordion that I never really wanted that I'd like to get rid of. I
don't think it's a quality instrument -- do I get an exception for that?
Anyone in the San Fran Bay Area WANT an accordion?
Betsy
IT
SHOULD STAY THERE!!!! For all time and eternity! >>
AMEN.
And if you're not going to use it, save it for great grandchildren whose
parents haven't yet been born.
**
Is there a loophole in this rule somewhere? I have an hand-me-down
accordion that I never really wanted that I'd like to get rid of. I
don't think it's a quality instrument -- do I get an exception for that?
Anyone in the San Fran Bay Area WANT an accordion?
Betsy
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In a message dated 11/14/02 6:17:36 PM, ecsamhill@... writes:
<< Anyone in the San Fran Bay Area WANT an accordion?
a guitar.
Just Say No.
Sandra
<< Anyone in the San Fran Bay Area WANT an accordion?
>>Well probably Applebee's wants to glue it up on a shelf next to a serape and
a guitar.
Just Say No.
Sandra
Kelli Traaseth
SandraDodd@... wrote:
**That year, my mom sold a flat-top acoustic guitar (she kept the arch-body
blues guitar, which is what I learned on before I bought my own),
an accordian (all white and gold with mother-of-pearl)
an electric steel guitar, 50's Hawaiian/C&W style
a "Les Paul Jr." electric guitar and a Fender amplifier
a violin**
OOOOOHHHH, Sandra, I feel your pain, ouch!
I had never heard the Hawaiian guitar music very much until a local artist, Greg Brown, had a man from Hawaii playing his slack key (I think that's what its called), at his concert. It was awesome, I am going to look for a guitar for myself, just a regular one. I've played violin and cello but I think a guitar would be really cool to learn so I can accompany the kids in all sorts of things.
Kelli
In a message dated 11/14/02 5:52:03 AM, scribblers2@... writes:
<< I've been wanting to get a keyboard for myself, but
have been hesitant to spend the money. It doesn't feel like something we
"need" ... but perhaps that would do a number of things.. putting more
music into the house, playing for fun, and so on. >>
It's also much easier to SEE music on a keyboard than any other instrument.
You should get one. Used if you need to.
<<My four year
old pulls out the old guitar a lot and messes with that, but he keeps
telling me he wants a violin.>>
There are some Chinese-made violins available on E-Bay, new, and inexpensive.
Cheaper than a few months' rental, and if you get tired of it you could sell
it. But I wouldn't.
My parents had a violin when I was a kid and I used to get it out and mess
with it, but they sold a lot of instruments one year. I was very sad they
did. My mom did it to do Christmas for us. Keith and I made a pact when we
were young NEVER to sell an instrument for money. <g>
And once we even bought an instrument with a tax refund. A resin
reproduction of a medieval German instrument that's in a museum. A
double-bore, indirect-blow double-reed thing called a Kortholt. His mom was
appalled. <g>
Brace yourselves for sadness, or go right by this to the next e-mail.
That year, my mom sold a flat-top acoustic guitar (she kept the arch-body
blues guitar, which is what I learned on before I bought my own),
an accordian (all white and gold with mother-of-pearl)
an electric steel guitar, 50's Hawaiian/C&W style
a "Les Paul Jr." electric guitar and a Fender amplifier
a violin
I doubt I have one thing left from that Christmas. I don't even remember
what we got.
Sandra
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**That year, my mom sold a flat-top acoustic guitar (she kept the arch-body
blues guitar, which is what I learned on before I bought my own),
an accordian (all white and gold with mother-of-pearl)
an electric steel guitar, 50's Hawaiian/C&W style
a "Les Paul Jr." electric guitar and a Fender amplifier
a violin**
OOOOOHHHH, Sandra, I feel your pain, ouch!
I had never heard the Hawaiian guitar music very much until a local artist, Greg Brown, had a man from Hawaii playing his slack key (I think that's what its called), at his concert. It was awesome, I am going to look for a guitar for myself, just a regular one. I've played violin and cello but I think a guitar would be really cool to learn so I can accompany the kids in all sorts of things.
Kelli
In a message dated 11/14/02 5:52:03 AM, scribblers2@... writes:
<< I've been wanting to get a keyboard for myself, but
have been hesitant to spend the money. It doesn't feel like something we
"need" ... but perhaps that would do a number of things.. putting more
music into the house, playing for fun, and so on. >>
It's also much easier to SEE music on a keyboard than any other instrument.
You should get one. Used if you need to.
<<My four year
old pulls out the old guitar a lot and messes with that, but he keeps
telling me he wants a violin.>>
There are some Chinese-made violins available on E-Bay, new, and inexpensive.
Cheaper than a few months' rental, and if you get tired of it you could sell
it. But I wouldn't.
My parents had a violin when I was a kid and I used to get it out and mess
with it, but they sold a lot of instruments one year. I was very sad they
did. My mom did it to do Christmas for us. Keith and I made a pact when we
were young NEVER to sell an instrument for money. <g>
And once we even bought an instrument with a tax refund. A resin
reproduction of a medieval German instrument that's in a museum. A
double-bore, indirect-blow double-reed thing called a Kortholt. His mom was
appalled. <g>
Brace yourselves for sadness, or go right by this to the next e-mail.
That year, my mom sold a flat-top acoustic guitar (she kept the arch-body
blues guitar, which is what I learned on before I bought my own),
an accordian (all white and gold with mother-of-pearl)
an electric steel guitar, 50's Hawaiian/C&W style
a "Les Paul Jr." electric guitar and a Fender amplifier
a violin
I doubt I have one thing left from that Christmas. I don't even remember
what we got.
Sandra
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Jeff & Kate Kerr
****Kate,
You know what, I think I made a big mistake, I guess I know I made a
big mistake, I was totally
thinking that Greg Brown was from here, Minnesota, because I've seen
him up here so much , duhhhh,
I'm not even sure, Is he from Iowa? very possible. He has a big
following in Minnesota.
I love his, ' Hey Baby, Hey Baby, Hey'!! Pretty much as sexy as
Rickman's voice!
If Shyrley is reading this she has got to listen to him, his singing is
all I need, Oh and I guess a
few lines from Die Hard and Robin Hood. OK ,,,I'll stop now.
Kelli, feeling really stupid, sorry about that.****
Kelli,
No need to feel stupid, he's not very well known, I was just excited to
find out that someone else knew about him. I saw him for the first time
at a bluegrass festival in Yosemite (we've been going there since I was
a teenager and now we take our kids).
His writing is so smart and funny, I think my favorite is Morning Coffee
(or maybe Dream Cafe - too hard to choose just one).
Have you heard his albums for children? Bath Tub Blues is very cute.
Kate
You know what, I think I made a big mistake, I guess I know I made a
big mistake, I was totally
thinking that Greg Brown was from here, Minnesota, because I've seen
him up here so much , duhhhh,
I'm not even sure, Is he from Iowa? very possible. He has a big
following in Minnesota.
I love his, ' Hey Baby, Hey Baby, Hey'!! Pretty much as sexy as
Rickman's voice!
If Shyrley is reading this she has got to listen to him, his singing is
all I need, Oh and I guess a
few lines from Die Hard and Robin Hood. OK ,,,I'll stop now.
Kelli, feeling really stupid, sorry about that.****
Kelli,
No need to feel stupid, he's not very well known, I was just excited to
find out that someone else knew about him. I saw him for the first time
at a bluegrass festival in Yosemite (we've been going there since I was
a teenager and now we take our kids).
His writing is so smart and funny, I think my favorite is Morning Coffee
(or maybe Dream Cafe - too hard to choose just one).
Have you heard his albums for children? Bath Tub Blues is very cute.
Kate
Kelli Traaseth
Kate,
I havn't heard of his children's songs, I'll have to check into it. When is the Yosemite concert? Does he do it every year?
I also love Morning Coffee and Dream Cafe, to me his concerts are so fun, his side comments are hilarious.
Kelli
Jeff & Kate Kerr <windystreet@...> wrote:****Kate,
You know what, I think I made a big mistake, I guess I know I made a
big mistake, I was totally
thinking that Greg Brown was from here, Minnesota, because I've seen
him up here so much , duhhhh,
I'm not even sure, Is he from Iowa? very possible. He has a big
following in Minnesota.
I love his, ' Hey Baby, Hey Baby, Hey'!! Pretty much as sexy as
Rickman's voice!
If Shyrley is reading this she has got to listen to him, his singing is
all I need, Oh and I guess a
few lines from Die Hard and Robin Hood. OK ,,,I'll stop now.
Kelli, feeling really stupid, sorry about that.****
Kelli,
No need to feel stupid, he's not very well known, I was just excited to
find out that someone else knew about him. I saw him for the first time
at a bluegrass festival in Yosemite (we've been going there since I was
a teenager and now we take our kids).
His writing is so smart and funny, I think my favorite is Morning Coffee
(or maybe Dream Cafe - too hard to choose just one).
Have you heard his albums for children? Bath Tub Blues is very cute.
Kate
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I havn't heard of his children's songs, I'll have to check into it. When is the Yosemite concert? Does he do it every year?
I also love Morning Coffee and Dream Cafe, to me his concerts are so fun, his side comments are hilarious.
Kelli
Jeff & Kate Kerr <windystreet@...> wrote:****Kate,
You know what, I think I made a big mistake, I guess I know I made a
big mistake, I was totally
thinking that Greg Brown was from here, Minnesota, because I've seen
him up here so much , duhhhh,
I'm not even sure, Is he from Iowa? very possible. He has a big
following in Minnesota.
I love his, ' Hey Baby, Hey Baby, Hey'!! Pretty much as sexy as
Rickman's voice!
If Shyrley is reading this she has got to listen to him, his singing is
all I need, Oh and I guess a
few lines from Die Hard and Robin Hood. OK ,,,I'll stop now.
Kelli, feeling really stupid, sorry about that.****
Kelli,
No need to feel stupid, he's not very well known, I was just excited to
find out that someone else knew about him. I saw him for the first time
at a bluegrass festival in Yosemite (we've been going there since I was
a teenager and now we take our kids).
His writing is so smart and funny, I think my favorite is Morning Coffee
(or maybe Dream Cafe - too hard to choose just one).
Have you heard his albums for children? Bath Tub Blues is very cute.
Kate
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