stuffy English, Shakespeare, earlier Saxon gospel
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In a message dated 11/8/02 12:21:58 AM, starsuncloud@... writes:
<< Other than that
stuffy,English wording that is so outdated and hard to understand!! >>
I must defend English.
That's not the stuffy English.
Shakespeare is the stuffy stuff of the same period. Big words, convoluted
speeches...
The King James is famed for having used the simplest and most direct of
English available at the time. Most of the words used were native Saxon
words.
And speaking of native Saxon... In the days before English was as we know
it, before it was even Anglo-Saxon, there was a Saxon Gospel (continental)
translated, more loosely, called The Heliand. I have a copy, but I can't get
to it until my leg is well. It is wonderful, but certainly NOT the attempt
at literal translation. In fact, it is specifically changed from fisherman
and shepherds, which the Germanic tribes could NOT identify themselves with
in any way, and it was Jesus as a strong thane, with his warrior companions
(the disciples).
Since I can't find it to give you some of my favorite quotes, I found a class
handout online that has several quotes, with notes:
http://www.wku.edu/~alan.anderson/102/Handouts/102Heiland-Saxon.html
( the typo is in the page name, not in the text of that page)
Here's a sample, but there is more at that page, and if you want to google
yourself up some more references or samples, go to www.google.com, enter
Heliand Saxon gospel
-=-Matthew and Mark, Luke and John were their names. They were dear to God,
worthy of the work. The ruling God had placed the Holy Spirit firmly in those
heroes' hearts, together with many a wise word, as well as a devout attitude
and a powerful mind, so that they could lift up their holy voices to chant
God's spell.
4 There is nothing like it in words anywhere in this world! Nothing can ever
glorify the Ruler, our dear Chieftain, more! Nor is there anything that can
better fells every evil creature or work of wickedness, nor better withstand
the hatred and aggression of enemies. This is so, because the one who taught
them God's Spell, though generous and good, had a powerful mind: the noble,
the almighty Creator Himself. These four were to write it down with their own
fingers; they were to compose, sing, and proclainl what they had seen and
heard of Christ's powerful strength-all the many wonderful things, in word
and deed, that the mighty Chieftain Himself said, taught, and accomplished
among human beings-and also all the things which the Ruler spoke from the
beginning, when He, by His own power, fIrst made the world and formed the
whole universe with one word.-=-
Sandra
<< Other than that
stuffy,English wording that is so outdated and hard to understand!! >>
I must defend English.
That's not the stuffy English.
Shakespeare is the stuffy stuff of the same period. Big words, convoluted
speeches...
The King James is famed for having used the simplest and most direct of
English available at the time. Most of the words used were native Saxon
words.
And speaking of native Saxon... In the days before English was as we know
it, before it was even Anglo-Saxon, there was a Saxon Gospel (continental)
translated, more loosely, called The Heliand. I have a copy, but I can't get
to it until my leg is well. It is wonderful, but certainly NOT the attempt
at literal translation. In fact, it is specifically changed from fisherman
and shepherds, which the Germanic tribes could NOT identify themselves with
in any way, and it was Jesus as a strong thane, with his warrior companions
(the disciples).
Since I can't find it to give you some of my favorite quotes, I found a class
handout online that has several quotes, with notes:
http://www.wku.edu/~alan.anderson/102/Handouts/102Heiland-Saxon.html
( the typo is in the page name, not in the text of that page)
Here's a sample, but there is more at that page, and if you want to google
yourself up some more references or samples, go to www.google.com, enter
Heliand Saxon gospel
-=-Matthew and Mark, Luke and John were their names. They were dear to God,
worthy of the work. The ruling God had placed the Holy Spirit firmly in those
heroes' hearts, together with many a wise word, as well as a devout attitude
and a powerful mind, so that they could lift up their holy voices to chant
God's spell.
4 There is nothing like it in words anywhere in this world! Nothing can ever
glorify the Ruler, our dear Chieftain, more! Nor is there anything that can
better fells every evil creature or work of wickedness, nor better withstand
the hatred and aggression of enemies. This is so, because the one who taught
them God's Spell, though generous and good, had a powerful mind: the noble,
the almighty Creator Himself. These four were to write it down with their own
fingers; they were to compose, sing, and proclainl what they had seen and
heard of Christ's powerful strength-all the many wonderful things, in word
and deed, that the mighty Chieftain Himself said, taught, and accomplished
among human beings-and also all the things which the Ruler spoke from the
beginning, when He, by His own power, fIrst made the world and formed the
whole universe with one word.-=-
Sandra
susan marie
how cool! I had never heard of this. I'm familiar with early celtic
christianity (as well as modern, which is also interesting stuff), but
this is totally new stuff to me. Thanks for the link. btw, I had always
head the KJV referred to as "poetic" and I like Shakespeare too.
Yesterday, dd and I were looking at Chaucer, in middle english. She
hadn't heard of middle english before. (next, Beowoulf!)
peace,
Susan
christianity (as well as modern, which is also interesting stuff), but
this is totally new stuff to me. Thanks for the link. btw, I had always
head the KJV referred to as "poetic" and I like Shakespeare too.
Yesterday, dd and I were looking at Chaucer, in middle english. She
hadn't heard of middle english before. (next, Beowoulf!)
peace,
Susan
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 03:10 AM, SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/8/02 12:21:58 AM, starsuncloud@... writes:
>
> << Other than that
> stuffy,English wording that is so outdated and hard to understand!! >>
>
> I must defend English.
> That's not the stuffy English.
>
> Shakespeare is the stuffy stuff of the same period. Big words,
> convoluted
> speeches...
>
> The King James is famed for having used the simplest and most direct of
> English available at the time. Most of the words used were native Saxon
> words.
>
> And speaking of native Saxon... In the days before English was as we
> know
> it, before it was even Anglo-Saxon, there was a Saxon Gospel
> (continental)
> translated, more loosely, called The Heliand. I have a copy, but I
> can't get
> to it until my leg is well. It is wonderful, but certainly NOT the
> attempt
> at literal translation. In fact, it is specifically changed from
> fisherman
> and shepherds, which the Germanic tribes could NOT identify themselves
> with
> in any way, and it was Jesus as a strong thane, with his warrior
> companions
> (the disciples).
>
> Since I can't find it to give you some of my favorite quotes, I found a
> class
> handout online that has several quotes, with notes:
>
> http://www.wku.edu/~alan.anderson/102/Handouts/102Heiland-Saxon.html
>
> ( the typo is in the page name, not in the text of that page)
>
> Here's a sample, but there is more at that page, and if you want to
> yourself up some more references or samples, go to www.google.com, enter
> Heliand Saxon gospel
>
> -=-Matthew and Mark, Luke and John were their names. They were dear to
> God,
> worthy of the work. The ruling God had placed the Holy Spirit firmly in
> those
> heroes' hearts, together with many a wise word, as well as a devout
> attitude
> and a powerful mind, so that they could lift up their holy voices to
> chant
> God's spell.
> 4 There is nothing like it in words anywhere in this world! Nothing can
> ever
> glorify the Ruler, our dear Chieftain, more! Nor is there anything that
> can
> better fells every evil creature or work of wickedness, nor better
> withstand
> the hatred and aggression of enemies. This is so, because the one who
> taught
> them God's Spell, though generous and good, had a powerful mind: the
> noble,
> the almighty Creator Himself. These four were to write it down with
> their own
> fingers; they were to compose, sing, and proclainl what they had seen
> and
> heard of Christ's powerful strength-all the many wonderful things, in
> word
> and deed, that the mighty Chieftain Himself said, taught, and
> accomplished
> among human beings-and also all the things which the Ruler spoke from
> the
> beginning, when He, by His own power, fIrst made the world and formed
> the
> whole universe with one word.-=-
>
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
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Susan
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we arrive at that goal."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Kelli Traaseth
'Chieftain', cool, I've never heard Him referred that way before. It really transports me back in time. I like it!
Kelli
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 11/8/02 12:21:58 AM, starsuncloud@... writes:
<< Other than that
stuffy,English wording that is so outdated and hard to understand!! >>
I must defend English.
That's not the stuffy English.
Shakespeare is the stuffy stuff of the same period. Big words, convoluted
speeches...
The King James is famed for having used the simplest and most direct of
English available at the time. Most of the words used were native Saxon
words.
And speaking of native Saxon... In the days before English was as we know
it, before it was even Anglo-Saxon, there was a Saxon Gospel (continental)
translated, more loosely, called The Heliand. I have a copy, but I can't get
to it until my leg is well. It is wonderful, but certainly NOT the attempt
at literal translation. In fact, it is specifically changed from fisherman
and shepherds, which the Germanic tribes could NOT identify themselves with
in any way, and it was Jesus as a strong thane, with his warrior companions
(the disciples).
Since I can't find it to give you some of my favorite quotes, I found a class
handout online that has several quotes, with notes:
http://www.wku.edu/~alan.anderson/102/Handouts/102Heiland-Saxon.html
( the typo is in the page name, not in the text of that page)
Here's a sample, but there is more at that page, and if you want to google
yourself up some more references or samples, go to www.google.com, enter
Heliand Saxon gospel
-=-Matthew and Mark, Luke and John were their names. They were dear to God,
worthy of the work. The ruling God had placed the Holy Spirit firmly in those
heroes' hearts, together with many a wise word, as well as a devout attitude
and a powerful mind, so that they could lift up their holy voices to chant
God's spell.
4 There is nothing like it in words anywhere in this world! Nothing can ever
glorify the Ruler, our dear Chieftain, more! Nor is there anything that can
better fells every evil creature or work of wickedness, nor better withstand
the hatred and aggression of enemies. This is so, because the one who taught
them God's Spell, though generous and good, had a powerful mind: the noble,
the almighty Creator Himself. These four were to write it down with their own
fingers; they were to compose, sing, and proclainl what they had seen and
heard of Christ's powerful strength-all the many wonderful things, in word
and deed, that the mighty Chieftain Himself said, taught, and accomplished
among human beings-and also all the things which the Ruler spoke from the
beginning, when He, by His own power, fIrst made the world and formed the
whole universe with one word.-=-
Sandra
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SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 11/8/02 12:21:58 AM, starsuncloud@... writes:
<< Other than that
stuffy,English wording that is so outdated and hard to understand!! >>
I must defend English.
That's not the stuffy English.
Shakespeare is the stuffy stuff of the same period. Big words, convoluted
speeches...
The King James is famed for having used the simplest and most direct of
English available at the time. Most of the words used were native Saxon
words.
And speaking of native Saxon... In the days before English was as we know
it, before it was even Anglo-Saxon, there was a Saxon Gospel (continental)
translated, more loosely, called The Heliand. I have a copy, but I can't get
to it until my leg is well. It is wonderful, but certainly NOT the attempt
at literal translation. In fact, it is specifically changed from fisherman
and shepherds, which the Germanic tribes could NOT identify themselves with
in any way, and it was Jesus as a strong thane, with his warrior companions
(the disciples).
Since I can't find it to give you some of my favorite quotes, I found a class
handout online that has several quotes, with notes:
http://www.wku.edu/~alan.anderson/102/Handouts/102Heiland-Saxon.html
( the typo is in the page name, not in the text of that page)
Here's a sample, but there is more at that page, and if you want to google
yourself up some more references or samples, go to www.google.com, enter
Heliand Saxon gospel
-=-Matthew and Mark, Luke and John were their names. They were dear to God,
worthy of the work. The ruling God had placed the Holy Spirit firmly in those
heroes' hearts, together with many a wise word, as well as a devout attitude
and a powerful mind, so that they could lift up their holy voices to chant
God's spell.
4 There is nothing like it in words anywhere in this world! Nothing can ever
glorify the Ruler, our dear Chieftain, more! Nor is there anything that can
better fells every evil creature or work of wickedness, nor better withstand
the hatred and aggression of enemies. This is so, because the one who taught
them God's Spell, though generous and good, had a powerful mind: the noble,
the almighty Creator Himself. These four were to write it down with their own
fingers; they were to compose, sing, and proclainl what they had seen and
heard of Christ's powerful strength-all the many wonderful things, in word
and deed, that the mighty Chieftain Himself said, taught, and accomplished
among human beings-and also all the things which the Ruler spoke from the
beginning, when He, by His own power, fIrst made the world and formed the
whole universe with one word.-=-
Sandra
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Susan,
Have you read The Canterbury Tales, they are hilarious, maybe a bit racey for little, little ones, or some grown ups, but I know my dd8 would love it.
I have to go dig up some Mid. Lit. books from college.
Kelli
susan marie <scribblers2@...> wrote:how cool! I had never heard of this. I'm familiar with early celtic
christianity (as well as modern, which is also interesting stuff), but
this is totally new stuff to me. Thanks for the link. btw, I had always
head the KJV referred to as "poetic" and I like Shakespeare too.
Yesterday, dd and I were looking at Chaucer, in middle english. She
hadn't heard of middle english before. (next, Beowoulf!)
peace,
Susan
Have you read The Canterbury Tales, they are hilarious, maybe a bit racey for little, little ones, or some grown ups, but I know my dd8 would love it.
I have to go dig up some Mid. Lit. books from college.
Kelli
susan marie <scribblers2@...> wrote:how cool! I had never heard of this. I'm familiar with early celtic
christianity (as well as modern, which is also interesting stuff), but
this is totally new stuff to me. Thanks for the link. btw, I had always
head the KJV referred to as "poetic" and I like Shakespeare too.
Yesterday, dd and I were looking at Chaucer, in middle english. She
hadn't heard of middle english before. (next, Beowoulf!)
peace,
Susan
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 03:10 AM, SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/8/02 12:21:58 AM, starsuncloud@... writes:
>
> << Other than that
> stuffy,English wording that is so outdated and hard to understand!! >>
>
> I must defend English.
> That's not the stuffy English.
>
> Shakespeare is the stuffy stuff of the same period. Big words,
> convoluted
> speeches...
>
> The King James is famed for having used the simplest and most direct of
> English available at the time. Most of the words used were native Saxon
> words.
>
> And speaking of native Saxon... In the days before English was as we
> know
> it, before it was even Anglo-Saxon, there was a Saxon Gospel
> (continental)
> translated, more loosely, called The Heliand. I have a copy, but I
> can't get
> to it until my leg is well. It is wonderful, but certainly NOT the
> attempt
> at literal translation. In fact, it is specifically changed from
> fisherman
> and shepherds, which the Germanic tribes could NOT identify themselves
> with
> in any way, and it was Jesus as a strong thane, with his warrior
> companions
> (the disciples).
>
> Since I can't find it to give you some of my favorite quotes, I found a
> class
> handout online that has several quotes, with notes:
>
> http://www.wku.edu/~alan.anderson/102/Handouts/102Heiland-Saxon.html
>
> ( the typo is in the page name, not in the text of that page)
>
> Here's a sample, but there is more at that page, and if you want to
> yourself up some more references or samples, go to www.google.com, enter
> Heliand Saxon gospel
>
> -=-Matthew and Mark, Luke and John were their names. They were dear to
> God,
> worthy of the work. The ruling God had placed the Holy Spirit firmly in
> those
> heroes' hearts, together with many a wise word, as well as a devout
> attitude
> and a powerful mind, so that they could lift up their holy voices to
> chant
> God's spell.
> 4 There is nothing like it in words anywhere in this world! Nothing can
> ever
> glorify the Ruler, our dear Chieftain, more! Nor is there anything that
> can
> better fells every evil creature or work of wickedness, nor better
> withstand
> the hatred and aggression of enemies. This is so, because the one who
> taught
> them God's Spell, though generous and good, had a powerful mind: the
> noble,
> the almighty Creator Himself. These four were to write it down with
> their own
> fingers; they were to compose, sing, and proclainl what they had seen
> and
> heard of Christ's powerful strength-all the many wonderful things, in
> word
> and deed, that the mighty Chieftain Himself said, taught, and
> accomplished
> among human beings-and also all the things which the Ruler spoke from
> the
> beginning, when He, by His own power, fIrst made the world and formed
> the
> whole universe with one word.-=-
>
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
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Susan
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we arrive at that goal."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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I LOVED Canterbury Tales and even now will sit and read one or two (who
could forget the wonderful tale told by the Wife of Bath!) And in the
middle english, for the full fun of it!
hmm. might make for some good bedtime reading!
(good suggestion)
Susan
could forget the wonderful tale told by the Wife of Bath!) And in the
middle english, for the full fun of it!
hmm. might make for some good bedtime reading!
(good suggestion)
Susan
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 01:46 PM, Kelli Traaseth wrote:
>
> Susan,
> Have you read The Canterbury Tales, they are hilarious, maybe a bit
> racey for little, little ones, or some grown ups, but I know my dd8
> would love it.
> I have to go dig up some Mid. Lit. books from college.
>
> Kelli
> susan marie <scribblers2@...> wrote:how cool! I had never
> heard of this. I'm familiar with early celtic
> christianity (as well as modern, which is also interesting stuff), but
> this is totally new stuff to me. Thanks for the link. btw, I had always
> head the KJV referred to as "poetic" and I like Shakespeare too.
> Yesterday, dd and I were looking at Chaucer, in middle english. She
> hadn't heard of middle english before. (next, Beowoulf!)
>
> peace,
> Susan
>
> On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 03:10 AM, SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
> >
> > In a message dated 11/8/02 12:21:58 AM, starsuncloud@... writes:
> >
> > << Other than that
> > stuffy,English wording that is so outdated and hard to
> understand!! >>
> >
> > I must defend English.
> > That's not the stuffy English.
> >
> > Shakespeare is the stuffy stuff of the same period. Big words,
> > convoluted
> > speeches...
> >
> > The King James is famed for having used the simplest and most direct
> of
> > English available at the time. Most of the words used were native
> Saxon
> > words.
> >
> > And speaking of native Saxon... In the days before English was as we
> > know
> > it, before it was even Anglo-Saxon, there was a Saxon Gospel
> > (continental)
> > translated, more loosely, called The Heliand. I have a copy, but I
> > can't get
> > to it until my leg is well. It is wonderful, but certainly NOT the
> > attempt
> > at literal translation. In fact, it is specifically changed from
> > fisherman
> > and shepherds, which the Germanic tribes could NOT identify themselves
> > with
> > in any way, and it was Jesus as a strong thane, with his warrior
> > companions
> > (the disciples).
> >
> > Since I can't find it to give you some of my favorite quotes, I
> found a
> > class
> > handout online that has several quotes, with notes:
> >
> > http://www.wku.edu/~alan.anderson/102/Handouts/102Heiland-Saxon.html
> >
> > ( the typo is in the page name, not in the text of that page)
> >
> > Here's a sample, but there is more at that page, and if you want to
> > yourself up some more references or samples, go to www.google.com,
> enter
> > Heliand Saxon gospel
> >
> > -=-Matthew and Mark, Luke and John were their names. They were dear to
> > God,
> > worthy of the work. The ruling God had placed the Holy Spirit firmly
> in
> > those
> > heroes' hearts, together with many a wise word, as well as a devout
> > attitude
> > and a powerful mind, so that they could lift up their holy voices to
> > chant
> > God's spell.
> > 4 There is nothing like it in words anywhere in this world! Nothing
> can
> > ever
> > glorify the Ruler, our dear Chieftain, more! Nor is there anything
> that
> > can
> > better fells every evil creature or work of wickedness, nor better
> > withstand
> > the hatred and aggression of enemies. This is so, because the one who
> > taught
> > them God's Spell, though generous and good, had a powerful mind: the
> > noble,
> > the almighty Creator Himself. These four were to write it down with
> > their own
> > fingers; they were to compose, sing, and proclainl what they had seen
> > and
> > heard of Christ's powerful strength-all the many wonderful things, in
> > word
> > and deed, that the mighty Chieftain Himself said, taught, and
> > accomplished
> > among human beings-and also all the things which the Ruler spoke from
> > the
> > beginning, when He, by His own power, fIrst made the world and formed
> > the
> > whole universe with one word.-=-
> >
> >
> > Sandra
> >
> >
> >
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> peace,
> Susan
>
> "Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which
> we arrive at that goal."
> -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
>
>
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peace,
Susan
"Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which
we arrive at that goal."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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