young earth vs. old earth
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In a message dated 11/7/02 8:03:01 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< "We aren't Christian that much". The neighbor kid yelled, "WELL,
IT'S ALL TRUE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HELL IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT!"
It's experience, not prejudice. >>
I agree.
The next door neighbor kids (up in WA) told my children they were going to
hell because we had a small party with music and wine, oooooh!
Being around an organized support group here that is full of fundamentalist
homeschoolers has given me an inside view of exactly what they think.
Now we're going to hell because my kids watch Harry Potter, play with Yugio
and Pokemon etc....
It's experience with these types that have formed my (and obviously a lot of
other people here) views.
I think Mike is not aware of just how insidious and powerful the messages
they send are. Nor how huge of a group of Christians this is....and they seem
to represent the Christian mindset to a LOT of people.
You're really more of a minority in your views Mike, as am I. But don't
discount what Sandra and others are saying about the Christian religion as a
whole, cuz it's true.
Ren, another rebellious, free thinking follower of Christ
[email protected] writes:
<< "We aren't Christian that much". The neighbor kid yelled, "WELL,
IT'S ALL TRUE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HELL IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT!"
It's experience, not prejudice. >>
I agree.
The next door neighbor kids (up in WA) told my children they were going to
hell because we had a small party with music and wine, oooooh!
Being around an organized support group here that is full of fundamentalist
homeschoolers has given me an inside view of exactly what they think.
Now we're going to hell because my kids watch Harry Potter, play with Yugio
and Pokemon etc....
It's experience with these types that have formed my (and obviously a lot of
other people here) views.
I think Mike is not aware of just how insidious and powerful the messages
they send are. Nor how huge of a group of Christians this is....and they seem
to represent the Christian mindset to a LOT of people.
You're really more of a minority in your views Mike, as am I. But don't
discount what Sandra and others are saying about the Christian religion as a
whole, cuz it's true.
Ren, another rebellious, free thinking follower of Christ
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/7/02 10:15:07 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< My point is, imho, to assert that "The Bible" is the unerring "Word of
God" (as some do) -- well, which version? The original manuscripts? All
of the original manuscripts? If not, then which parts, which
translations? It gets complicated fast. >>
YEP! It sure does.
There were a lot of scrolls left out and I believe many put in that have
nothing to do with spirituality (the Song of Solomon).
I disagree that the King James is one of the most inaccurate translations
though, I've got the actual Greek writings and the direct, literal
translation next to it, and I don't see any huge errors. Other than that
stuffy,English wording that is so outdated and hard to understand!! There is
always stuff lost or mangled with translations, but as far as Bibles go, I
enjoy the King James due to the poetic feel of it.
Here's a cool examply of my Greek text Bible, with the New World translation
first:
"Seeing, therefore, that we are the progeny of God, we ought not to imagine
that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like somthing
sculptured by the art and contrivance of man."
Literal translation looks something like this:
"Race therefore existing of the God not we are owing to be opining to gold or
to silver or to stone, to sculptured (thing) of art and of contrivance of
man, the divine being to be like."
Ugh. Can you imagine trying to make heads and tails of THAT!
So there is a lot of room for different groups of people to read their own
meaning into these writings BEFORE it even gets to our hands.
And then everyone interprets it differently. What a mess religion can make of
the simple things like love!
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< My point is, imho, to assert that "The Bible" is the unerring "Word of
God" (as some do) -- well, which version? The original manuscripts? All
of the original manuscripts? If not, then which parts, which
translations? It gets complicated fast. >>
YEP! It sure does.
There were a lot of scrolls left out and I believe many put in that have
nothing to do with spirituality (the Song of Solomon).
I disagree that the King James is one of the most inaccurate translations
though, I've got the actual Greek writings and the direct, literal
translation next to it, and I don't see any huge errors. Other than that
stuffy,English wording that is so outdated and hard to understand!! There is
always stuff lost or mangled with translations, but as far as Bibles go, I
enjoy the King James due to the poetic feel of it.
Here's a cool examply of my Greek text Bible, with the New World translation
first:
"Seeing, therefore, that we are the progeny of God, we ought not to imagine
that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like somthing
sculptured by the art and contrivance of man."
Literal translation looks something like this:
"Race therefore existing of the God not we are owing to be opining to gold or
to silver or to stone, to sculptured (thing) of art and of contrivance of
man, the divine being to be like."
Ugh. Can you imagine trying to make heads and tails of THAT!
So there is a lot of room for different groups of people to read their own
meaning into these writings BEFORE it even gets to our hands.
And then everyone interprets it differently. What a mess religion can make of
the simple things like love!
Ren
susan marie
I'm not a biblical scholar, but I participate on again off again on a
list with a number of folks from different faiths who are, and I was
merely repeating what I had learned there. Once there was a long
discussion on the translation of one word, and the implications that
followed. I believe it was the greek word "diakanons" (sp? sorry, too
early, doesn't look quite right) which some texts translate as deacon
and others don't, and this all went to a discussion as to whether or not
women being priests was supported in the bible. I find religious history
and learning about different faiths fascinating. Right now I'm reading a
lot about the gnostics. good stuff. The recent discovery of what may be
the ossary (burial box) of James, brother of Jesus, is also interesting.
Sort of real life Indiana Jones stuff.
peace,
Susan
list with a number of folks from different faiths who are, and I was
merely repeating what I had learned there. Once there was a long
discussion on the translation of one word, and the implications that
followed. I believe it was the greek word "diakanons" (sp? sorry, too
early, doesn't look quite right) which some texts translate as deacon
and others don't, and this all went to a discussion as to whether or not
women being priests was supported in the bible. I find religious history
and learning about different faiths fascinating. Right now I'm reading a
lot about the gnostics. good stuff. The recent discovery of what may be
the ossary (burial box) of James, brother of Jesus, is also interesting.
Sort of real life Indiana Jones stuff.
peace,
Susan
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:19 AM, starsuncloud@... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/7/02 10:15:07 PM Central Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << My point is, imho, to assert that "The Bible" is the unerring "Word
> of
> God" (as some do) -- well, which version? The original manuscripts? All
> of the original manuscripts? If not, then which parts, which
> translations? It gets complicated fast. >>
>
> YEP! It sure does.
> There were a lot of scrolls left out and I believe many put in that have
> nothing to do with spirituality (the Song of Solomon).
> I disagree that the King James is one of the most inaccurate
> translations
> though, I've got the actual Greek writings and the direct, literal
> translation next to it, and I don't see any huge errors. Other than that
> stuffy,English wording that is so outdated and hard to understand!!
> There is
> always stuff lost or mangled with translations, but as far as Bibles
> go, I
> enjoy the King James due to the poetic feel of it.
> Here's a cool examply of my Greek text Bible, with the New World
> translation
> first:
>
> "Seeing, therefore, that we are the progeny of God, we ought not to
> imagine
> that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like somthing
> sculptured by the art and contrivance of man."
>
> Literal translation looks something like this:
> "Race therefore existing of the God not we are owing to be opining to
> gold or
> to silver or to stone, to sculptured (thing) of art and of contrivance
> of
> man, the divine being to be like."
>
> Ugh. Can you imagine trying to make heads and tails of THAT!
> So there is a lot of room for different groups of people to read their
> own
> meaning into these writings BEFORE it even gets to our hands.
> And then everyone interprets it differently. What a mess religion can
> make of
> the simple things like love!
>
> Ren
>
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peace,
Susan
"Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which
we arrive at that goal."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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