Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Voice (was Respect for the forum) (was Young earth
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In a message dated 11/5/02 10:51:45 PM Central Standard Time,
peggy@... writes:
And I have a question. My husband is ten thousand percent behind unschooling
our kids and is really fabulous. (Except for now, he's out of town and with
my broken ankle no one is sleeping. The children don't have anyone to sleep
with and it's really heart breaking.)
How can I get Mark to stop using the cloying teacher's voice when he's
explaining something to the children? He just can't help himself. Maybe
because both his parents were teachers? I point it out and he tries to
change. Will this get better over time? Should I just let it slide? It's
like nails on a chalk board for me.
Elizabeth
peggy@... writes:
> Can't we get back to support forYes!!!!!!
> unschooling?
>
> Peggy
And I have a question. My husband is ten thousand percent behind unschooling
our kids and is really fabulous. (Except for now, he's out of town and with
my broken ankle no one is sleeping. The children don't have anyone to sleep
with and it's really heart breaking.)
How can I get Mark to stop using the cloying teacher's voice when he's
explaining something to the children? He just can't help himself. Maybe
because both his parents were teachers? I point it out and he tries to
change. Will this get better over time? Should I just let it slide? It's
like nails on a chalk board for me.
Elizabeth
Rachel Ann
How do the kids feel about it? What if they ask him to stop? Or just point out to him; Dad, you a being pedantic again!
be well,
Rachel Ann
be well,
Rachel Ann
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From: ejcrewe@...
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Voice (was Respect for the forum) (was Young earth
In a message dated 11/5/02 10:51:45 PM Central Standard Time,
peggy@... writes:
> Can't we get back to support for
> unschooling?
>
> Peggy
Yes!!!!!!
And I have a question. My husband is ten thousand percent behind unschooling
our kids and is really fabulous. (Except for now, he's out of town and with
my broken ankle no one is sleeping. The children don't have anyone to sleep
with and it's really heart breaking.)
How can I get Mark to stop using the cloying teacher's voice when he's
explaining something to the children? He just can't help himself. Maybe
because both his parents were teachers? I point it out and he tries to
change. Will this get better over time? Should I just let it slide? It's
like nails on a chalk board for me.
Elizabeth
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In a message dated 11/6/02 7:42:49 AM Central Standard Time,
hindar@... writes:
after a while. I'll try to teach them pedantic. Sometimes when we are
snuggling Nathan will ask if I'm pretending he's a baby. Maybe I can use
that...
Thanks
Elizabeth
hindar@... writes:
> How do the kids feel about it? What if they ask him to stop? Or justpoint
> out to him; Dad, you a being pedantic again!I'm not sure they notice. Although they do tend to stop asking questions
after a while. I'll try to teach them pedantic. Sometimes when we are
snuggling Nathan will ask if I'm pretending he's a baby. Maybe I can use
that...
Thanks
Elizabeth
susan marie
Hi,
(lurker here, who just got done deleting lots of posts about young earth
agenda type discussions... nice to see some unschooling stuff here!)
This made me think of my fil, a controlling, judgmental type
ex-schoolteacher. He thinks that little girls should take ballet, boys
should play baseball, and they should go to catholic school and
dutifully bring their report cards to him when they come to visit so he
can solemnly see if they're good enough, and if so, give them a dollar.
He doesn't quite know what to do with my brood of unschoolers. So when
they come over, he tries to quiz them to see what they know.
Fortunately, the kids kind of just roll their eyes at this. The other
day, the girls were playing charades, except what they were doing was
imitations of people they know. The 12 yo dd barks out "what's 5 + 7!"
Giggling hysterically, 8 yo dd shouts back "grandpap!" and the two of
them collapsed laughing.
My hubby reverts to schooly voice sometimes too (that it's only
sometimes amazes me, actually, considering..)
I would say, don't worry, the kids will get over it and unlearn dad
eventually.
peace,
Susan
(lurker here, who just got done deleting lots of posts about young earth
agenda type discussions... nice to see some unschooling stuff here!)
This made me think of my fil, a controlling, judgmental type
ex-schoolteacher. He thinks that little girls should take ballet, boys
should play baseball, and they should go to catholic school and
dutifully bring their report cards to him when they come to visit so he
can solemnly see if they're good enough, and if so, give them a dollar.
He doesn't quite know what to do with my brood of unschoolers. So when
they come over, he tries to quiz them to see what they know.
Fortunately, the kids kind of just roll their eyes at this. The other
day, the girls were playing charades, except what they were doing was
imitations of people they know. The 12 yo dd barks out "what's 5 + 7!"
Giggling hysterically, 8 yo dd shouts back "grandpap!" and the two of
them collapsed laughing.
My hubby reverts to schooly voice sometimes too (that it's only
sometimes amazes me, actually, considering..)
I would say, don't worry, the kids will get over it and unlearn dad
eventually.
peace,
Susan
On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 08:23 AM, ejcrewe@... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/5/02 10:51:45 PM Central Standard Time,
> peggy@... writes:
>
> > Can't we get back to support for
> > unschooling?
> >
> > Peggy
>
> Yes!!!!!!
>
> And I have a question. My husband is ten thousand percent behind
> unschooling
> our kids and is really fabulous. (Except for now, he's out of town and
> with
> my broken ankle no one is sleeping. The children don't have anyone to
> sleep
> with and it's really heart breaking.)
>
> How can I get Mark to stop using the cloying teacher's voice when he's
> explaining something to the children? He just can't help himself.
> Maybe
> because both his parents were teachers? I point it out and he tries to
> change. Will this get better over time? Should I just let it slide?
> It's
> like nails on a chalk board for me.
>
> Elizabeth
>
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peace,
Susan
"Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which
we arrive at that goal."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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In a message dated 11/7/02 6:54:29 AM Central Standard Time,
scribblers2@... writes:
You should post more often! What a great story about their Grandpap!
The other day, before I broke my ankle (so it's really more like last month)
my 4 year old son was writing on the chalkboard while I was up on a ladder
painting the kitchen (which remains half painted). He was writing a long
string of letters like NNOOPPLT and then reading them. He'd ask me first,
I'd pronounce it, he'd giggle and then erase and try again. Pretty soon he
was pronouncing his own nonsense. The he wrote NOOF and said "Look Mommy,
what does it say?" I said "noof. If you change then N to W, it will say
woof!" He refused, I insisted, he went back to writing LLTNEEANPZ. He sure
taught me!
Sometimes I just can't help myself from interfering. It happens less and
less, but it still annoys me greatly. My children aren't all that bothered
by it, they just ignore it or refuse to perform. No one likes a quiz.
Thanks for sharing.
Elizabeth
scribblers2@... writes:
> I would say, don't worry, the kids will get over it and unlearn dadSusan -
> eventually.
You should post more often! What a great story about their Grandpap!
The other day, before I broke my ankle (so it's really more like last month)
my 4 year old son was writing on the chalkboard while I was up on a ladder
painting the kitchen (which remains half painted). He was writing a long
string of letters like NNOOPPLT and then reading them. He'd ask me first,
I'd pronounce it, he'd giggle and then erase and try again. Pretty soon he
was pronouncing his own nonsense. The he wrote NOOF and said "Look Mommy,
what does it say?" I said "noof. If you change then N to W, it will say
woof!" He refused, I insisted, he went back to writing LLTNEEANPZ. He sure
taught me!
Sometimes I just can't help myself from interfering. It happens less and
less, but it still annoys me greatly. My children aren't all that bothered
by it, they just ignore it or refuse to perform. No one likes a quiz.
Thanks for sharing.
Elizabeth
susan marie
sorry to hear about your ankle.. hope it didn't happen falling off the
ladder! We do silly pronunciations too. Somehow, it seems to help with
learning to read. If not, at least it's fun, and I've always been a firm
believer that silliness is an important part of learning. (way back
when, when I taught in a catholic high school, this was not always
appreciated by the teachers in the rooms nearby, who often learned to
close their doors... lol.. guess I was an unschooler even then.)
:-)
peace,
Susan
ladder! We do silly pronunciations too. Somehow, it seems to help with
learning to read. If not, at least it's fun, and I've always been a firm
believer that silliness is an important part of learning. (way back
when, when I taught in a catholic high school, this was not always
appreciated by the teachers in the rooms nearby, who often learned to
close their doors... lol.. guess I was an unschooler even then.)
:-)
peace,
Susan
On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 08:55 AM, ejcrewe@... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/7/02 6:54:29 AM Central Standard Time,
> scribblers2@... writes:
>
> > I would say, don't worry, the kids will get over it and unlearn dad
> > eventually.
>
> Susan -
>
> You should post more often! What a great story about their Grandpap!
>
> The other day, before I broke my ankle (so it's really more like last
> month)
> my 4 year old son was writing on the chalkboard while I was up on a
> ladder
> painting the kitchen (which remains half painted). He was writing a
> long
> string of letters like NNOOPPLT and then reading them. He'd ask me
> first,
> I'd pronounce it, he'd giggle and then erase and try again. Pretty
> soon he
> was pronouncing his own nonsense. The he wrote NOOF and said "Look
> Mommy,
> what does it say?" I said "noof. If you change then N to W, it will
> say
> woof!" He refused, I insisted, he went back to writing LLTNEEANPZ. He
> sure
> taught me!
>
> Sometimes I just can't help myself from interfering. It happens less
> and
> less, but it still annoys me greatly. My children aren't all that
> bothered
> by it, they just ignore it or refuse to perform. No one likes a quiz.
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Elizabeth
>
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peace,
Susan
"Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which
we arrive at that goal."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Susan,
My own mother is like this! She is very condemning though and belittles
the kids when they don't answer or get it wrong. She also does this only if
I am not around!
She would attack my kids and I didn't even know about it. One time, she was
babysitting (a few years ago, when we first started unschooling and my kids
were all too young to stay home by themselves) while I had a doctors
appointment. Since one of my children would have been in third grade that
year, she sat him down to see if he knew cursive (he didn't, since he had
never written in cursive at all). The schools here teach it in second grade,
so she got very angry. She just happened to be yelling "What do you mean,
you don't know this?!! You should know this by now!
You are in third grade, you are not a baby! You aren't-------" I stepped in
and stopped her. From experience I knew that she was going to call him
stupid or worse next. We had a big discussion about her not ever testing my
kids or talking to them in that tone of voice. She got extremely angry with
me, yelled a lot and then didn't talk to me for a few weeks (typical behavior
when I confront her). The testing stopped for a while, but then she started
trying to "sneak it in". As the boys got older, they were able to shrug off
her "attitude" but my youngest daughter was easier to pick on for awhile. So
my youngest two just decided not to be around grandma anymore, not unless the
whole family went. It really hurt her feelings and she claims that I turned
my kids against her, she refuses to see what she is doing. Both of the
younger ones have gotten older and wiser and will now say "I don't want to
answer any question" or in the case of my late reader 11 year old daughter
(she didn't start reading until 9 1/2 years old) "I don't want to read to
you". It makes my mother mad, but she accepts it. Now she attacks their
attitude sometimes (she doesn't think children should tell adults no). So my
kids still don't like being alone with her, but it is getting easier as they
get older, since they are feeling as "big" as she is (even my youngest is
very, very tall for her age) so they don't feel as bullied anymore. However,
I don't make my kids go over there by themselves. I would rather hurt my
mothers feelings than hurt my children and make them feel intimidated.
Tammy
My own mother is like this! She is very condemning though and belittles
the kids when they don't answer or get it wrong. She also does this only if
I am not around!
She would attack my kids and I didn't even know about it. One time, she was
babysitting (a few years ago, when we first started unschooling and my kids
were all too young to stay home by themselves) while I had a doctors
appointment. Since one of my children would have been in third grade that
year, she sat him down to see if he knew cursive (he didn't, since he had
never written in cursive at all). The schools here teach it in second grade,
so she got very angry. She just happened to be yelling "What do you mean,
you don't know this?!! You should know this by now!
You are in third grade, you are not a baby! You aren't-------" I stepped in
and stopped her. From experience I knew that she was going to call him
stupid or worse next. We had a big discussion about her not ever testing my
kids or talking to them in that tone of voice. She got extremely angry with
me, yelled a lot and then didn't talk to me for a few weeks (typical behavior
when I confront her). The testing stopped for a while, but then she started
trying to "sneak it in". As the boys got older, they were able to shrug off
her "attitude" but my youngest daughter was easier to pick on for awhile. So
my youngest two just decided not to be around grandma anymore, not unless the
whole family went. It really hurt her feelings and she claims that I turned
my kids against her, she refuses to see what she is doing. Both of the
younger ones have gotten older and wiser and will now say "I don't want to
answer any question" or in the case of my late reader 11 year old daughter
(she didn't start reading until 9 1/2 years old) "I don't want to read to
you". It makes my mother mad, but she accepts it. Now she attacks their
attitude sometimes (she doesn't think children should tell adults no). So my
kids still don't like being alone with her, but it is getting easier as they
get older, since they are feeling as "big" as she is (even my youngest is
very, very tall for her age) so they don't feel as bullied anymore. However,
I don't make my kids go over there by themselves. I would rather hurt my
mothers feelings than hurt my children and make them feel intimidated.
Tammy
> This made me think of my fil, a controlling, judgmental type[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> ex-schoolteacher. He thinks that little girls should take ballet, boys
> should play baseball, and they should go to catholic school and
> dutifully bring their report cards to him when they come to visit so he
> can solemnly see if they're good enough, and if so, give them a dollar.
> He doesn't quite know what to do with my brood of unschoolers. So when
> they come over, he tries to quiz them to see what they know.
> Fortunately, the kids kind of just roll their eyes at this. The other
> day, the girls were playing charades, except what they were doing was
> imitations of people they know. The 12 yo dd barks out "what's 5 + 7!"
> Giggling hysterically, 8 yo dd shouts back "grandpap!" and the two of
> them collapsed laughing.
>
susan marie
omigosh Tammy, this sounds so much like what we are going through with
my in-laws right now - all three of them (fil, mil, sil -- they come as
a unit). We won't leave the kids with them anymore, due to lack of trust
(long story). 12 yo dd has asked to not have to go there at all anymore,
and we said okay. A friend has agreed to take her whenever necessary.
They no longer quiz her - they ignore her. The only time anyone seems to
talk to her is to ask if she's taking dance lessons yet. She has told
them, I have told them, that she isn't interested in dance, she's
involved with acting. They have little interest in that, and dd no
longer wants them invited to her plays (fine with me and hubby).
I agree, kids first, grandparents second - and the kids act more mature
and compassionate than the "adults". We also get the behind the back
questioning and stuff too. We hate it, kids hate it. How disrespectful.
We've been told that they (in-laws) don't need us telling them anything
about children because they raised two of their own. What we have to say
about our own kids is of no interest to them - including safety issues.
(okay, heading towards a rant here.... sorry)
Anyway, trust your instincts, trust your kids, and close the curtains
and lock the doors (you do get surprise visits, don't you? )
quick! how many unschoolers does it take to do a math problem?... well,
first you need to have a reason to do a math problem..hmm.. let's bake
brownies.. then we...
take care,
Susan
my in-laws right now - all three of them (fil, mil, sil -- they come as
a unit). We won't leave the kids with them anymore, due to lack of trust
(long story). 12 yo dd has asked to not have to go there at all anymore,
and we said okay. A friend has agreed to take her whenever necessary.
They no longer quiz her - they ignore her. The only time anyone seems to
talk to her is to ask if she's taking dance lessons yet. She has told
them, I have told them, that she isn't interested in dance, she's
involved with acting. They have little interest in that, and dd no
longer wants them invited to her plays (fine with me and hubby).
I agree, kids first, grandparents second - and the kids act more mature
and compassionate than the "adults". We also get the behind the back
questioning and stuff too. We hate it, kids hate it. How disrespectful.
We've been told that they (in-laws) don't need us telling them anything
about children because they raised two of their own. What we have to say
about our own kids is of no interest to them - including safety issues.
(okay, heading towards a rant here.... sorry)
Anyway, trust your instincts, trust your kids, and close the curtains
and lock the doors (you do get surprise visits, don't you? )
quick! how many unschoolers does it take to do a math problem?... well,
first you need to have a reason to do a math problem..hmm.. let's bake
brownies.. then we...
take care,
Susan
On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 11:47 AM, free2B4Him@... wrote:
> Susan,
> My own mother is like this! She is very condemning though and
> belittles
> the kids when they don't answer or get it wrong. She also does this
> only if
> I am not around!......... <snip>
> However,
> I don't make my kids go over there by themselves. I would rather hurt
> my
> mothers feelings than hurt my children and make them feel intimidated.
> Tammy
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Susan,
Yep, sounds just like my family! Only they wish that my kids were into
soccer or baseball like my sil kids. My kids are not into sports. They are
into computers, role playing games, and scouts. I let them choose.
LOL We do close doors and curtains! Yes we do get surprise visits :-(
One time my parents just showed up and we were all still in bed. It was even
later than usual (about 10:30 or 11:00 am) and I knew my parents would think
we were horrible! They already think that about sleeping past 8:00 am!) We
had been up late reading Harry Potter and playing games. So we just stayed
in bed and giggled and didn't answer the door. A few minutes later my phone
rang. The answering maching picked up and my mom was screaming into it. She
was still in the driveway on her cell phone!
She was "frantic" that we were hurt, since our van was in the garage. She
thinks that living in the country is dangerous, so she thought we were laying
dead in the house! Well it ticked me off! So I just let her rant and rave
and still didn't answer the door. When we finally spoke hours later on the
phone, I told her how silly she had been. I really showed her how ridiculous
it looked for her to stand out in my driveway on her cell phone, while she
tried to break in my house (I forgot to mention that earlier, but she tried
to also break in to "save" us). Needless to say, we don't get so many
surprise visits, but I still don't trust them!
Tammy
Yep, sounds just like my family! Only they wish that my kids were into
soccer or baseball like my sil kids. My kids are not into sports. They are
into computers, role playing games, and scouts. I let them choose.
LOL We do close doors and curtains! Yes we do get surprise visits :-(
One time my parents just showed up and we were all still in bed. It was even
later than usual (about 10:30 or 11:00 am) and I knew my parents would think
we were horrible! They already think that about sleeping past 8:00 am!) We
had been up late reading Harry Potter and playing games. So we just stayed
in bed and giggled and didn't answer the door. A few minutes later my phone
rang. The answering maching picked up and my mom was screaming into it. She
was still in the driveway on her cell phone!
She was "frantic" that we were hurt, since our van was in the garage. She
thinks that living in the country is dangerous, so she thought we were laying
dead in the house! Well it ticked me off! So I just let her rant and rave
and still didn't answer the door. When we finally spoke hours later on the
phone, I told her how silly she had been. I really showed her how ridiculous
it looked for her to stand out in my driveway on her cell phone, while she
tried to break in my house (I forgot to mention that earlier, but she tried
to also break in to "save" us). Needless to say, we don't get so many
surprise visits, but I still don't trust them!
Tammy
> omigosh Tammy, this sounds so much like what we are going through with[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> my in-laws right now - all three of them (fil, mil, sil -- they come as
> a unit). We won't leave the kids with them anymore, due to lack of trust
> (long story). 12 yo dd has asked to not have to go there at all anymore,
> and we said okay. A friend has agreed to take her whenever necessary.
> They no longer quiz her - they ignore her. The only time anyone seems to
> talk to her is to ask if she's taking dance lessons yet. She has told
> them, I have told them, that she isn't interested in dance, she's
> involved with acting. They have little interest in that, and dd no
> longer wants them invited to her plays (fine with me and hubby).
>
> I agree, kids first, grandparents second - and the kids act more mature
> and compassionate than the "adults". We also get the behind the back
> questioning and stuff too. We hate it, kids hate it. How disrespectful.
> We've been told that they (in-laws) don't need us telling them anything
> about children because they raised two of their own. What we have to say
> about our own kids is of no interest to them - including safety issues.
> (okay, heading towards a rant here.... sorry)
>
> Anyway, trust your instincts, trust your kids, and close the curtains
> and lock the doors (you do get surprise visits, don't you? )
>
> quick! how many unschoolers does it take to do a math problem?... well,
> first you need to have a reason to do a math problem..hmm.. let's bake
> brownies.. then we...
>
> take care,
> Susan
>
>
susan marie
Happened to us too, except I was taking a nap with my then toddler, and
I was pregnant with number two. Since fil is highly anti-tech, he
doesn't have a cell phone (and he won't call one if he knows it's a
cell) so they had to scurry off to a local pay phone. I said "oh, were
you here?" all innocent. "call next time".
fun stuff.
not.
hang in there.
Susan
I was pregnant with number two. Since fil is highly anti-tech, he
doesn't have a cell phone (and he won't call one if he knows it's a
cell) so they had to scurry off to a local pay phone. I said "oh, were
you here?" all innocent. "call next time".
fun stuff.
not.
hang in there.
Susan
On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 01:04 PM, free2B4Him@... wrote:
> Susan,
> Yep, sounds just like my family! Only they wish that my kids were
> into
> soccer or baseball like my sil kids. My kids are not into sports.
> They are
> into computers, role playing games, and scouts. I let them choose.
> LOL We do close doors and curtains! Yes we do get surprise
> visits :-(
> One time my parents just showed up and we were all still in bed. It
> was even
> later than usual (about 10:30 or 11:00 am) and I knew my parents would
> think
> we were horrible! They already think that about sleeping past 8:00
> am!) We
> had been up late reading Harry Potter and playing games. So we just
> stayed
> in bed and giggled and didn't answer the door. A few minutes later my
> phone
> rang. The answering maching picked up and my mom was screaming into
> it. She
> was still in the driveway on her cell phone!
> She was "frantic" that we were hurt, since our van was in the garage.
> She
> thinks that living in the country is dangerous, so she thought we were
> laying
> dead in the house! Well it ticked me off! So I just let her rant and
> rave
> and still didn't answer the door. When we finally spoke hours later on
> the
> phone, I told her how silly she had been. I really showed her how
> ridiculous
> it looked for her to stand out in my driveway on her cell phone, while
> she
> tried to break in my house (I forgot to mention that earlier, but she
> tried
> to also break in to "save" us). Needless to say, we don't get so many
> surprise visits, but I still don't trust them!
> Tammy
>
>
> > omigosh Tammy, this sounds so much like what we are going through with
> > my in-laws right now - all three of them (fil, mil, sil -- they come
> as
> > a unit). We won't leave the kids with them anymore, due to lack of
> trust
> > (long story). 12 yo dd has asked to not have to go there at all
> anymore,
> > and we said okay. A friend has agreed to take her whenever necessary.
> > They no longer quiz her - they ignore her. The only time anyone seems
> to
> > talk to her is to ask if she's taking dance lessons yet. She has told
> > them, I have told them, that she isn't interested in dance, she's
> > involved with acting. They have little interest in that, and dd no
> > longer wants them invited to her plays (fine with me and hubby).
> >
> > I agree, kids first, grandparents second - and the kids act more
> mature
> > and compassionate than the "adults". We also get the behind the back
> > questioning and stuff too. We hate it, kids hate it. How
> disrespectful.
> > We've been told that they (in-laws) don't need us telling them
> anything
> > about children because they raised two of their own. What we have to
> say
> > about our own kids is of no interest to them - including safety
> issues.
> > (okay, heading towards a rant here.... sorry)
> >
> > Anyway, trust your instincts, trust your kids, and close the curtains
> > and lock the doors (you do get surprise visits, don't you? )
> >
> > quick! how many unschoolers does it take to do a math problem?...
> well,
> > first you need to have a reason to do a math problem..hmm.. let's bake
> > brownies.. then we...
> >
> > take care,
> > Susan
> >
> >
>
>
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peace,
Susan
"Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which
we arrive at that goal."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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