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In a message dated 10/30/02 8:58:55 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< I suppose I should change my thinking and actually use this health
insurance!!! No point paying out each month when we never go! >>

Well....we haven't done physicals in YEARS. So some of my children have never
had them. Two to be exact. The other two not since they were very, very
little.
But we have appointments because we have insurance and I want to USE IT!! haha
Mainly I think it's a good idea to have the eyes checked, which they do at a
regular doctor appointment and then refer you if anything is iffy.
And they feel the abdominal region for anything abnormal and stuff like that.

Ren

Mary Bianco

Now that we are on this subject, I was wondering about something else. To
those of you who have unvaccinated children. Do you worry about them getting
to a certain age and not having say like chicken pox? I mean that is one big
one that is supposed to be worse when one is older. Does anyone think about
that or try to expose their child to it when they are young?

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--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Mary Bianco" <mummyone24@h...> wrote:
> Now that we are on this subject, I was wondering about something
else. To
> those of you who have unvaccinated children. Do you worry about
them getting
> to a certain age and not having say like chicken pox? I mean that
is one big
> one that is supposed to be worse when one is older. Does anyone
think about
> that or try to expose their child to it when they are young?

I keep tryin' real hard to get my kids exposed, whenever one of these
diseases makes the rounds. Unfortunately, they're just too hang
healthy. They have yet to get any of the things I've tried to get
them natural immunity to, including chicken pox!
As for whether or not to worry about it when they get older and
haven't gotten these things, I'll cross that bridge when I come to
it. I think there's a huge difference in choosing vaccines
selectively in bigger/older children, and sticking newborn babes full
of 10 different vaccines in huge doses.
Plus, DH and I love to travel and thus have been innoculated against
just about everything as we've been to several continents. Eventually
if the kids want to travel, that will probably be a necessity. Many
countries require certain immunizations for entrance. It will be
something to think about at that point. Right now, I'm not worried,
especially considering their natural resilience right now.

Blue Skies,
-Robin-

marji

At 04:31 10/31/02 +0000, Mary B wrote:
>Now that we are on this subject, I was wondering about something else. To
>those of you who have unvaccinated children. Do you worry about them getting
>to a certain age and not having say like chicken pox? I mean that is one big
>one that is supposed to be worse when one is older. Does anyone think about
>that or try to expose their child to it when they are young?

I can't say that I worried about it, but I was on the lookout for chicken
pox, as were many other moms, so that my son could get it over with. Sure
enough, we found a case of chicken pox, and it was kind of funny how
playdates were arranged so that everyone could get in on
it. Unfortunately, one adult got the chicken pox, too. She must not have
realized that she didn't have it as a kid. She really suffered.

I wish I could find the other childhood diseases so he could get those over
with, but outbreaks of those are rare. He can always be vaccinated against
those other diseases as an adult, if he chooses, when the effects of the
vaccines would not be as devastating as they would have to a not-yet-formed
immune system.

Marji


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Kelli Traaseth

I'm dealing with the pox thing right now, wishing my 5yd could have had them, but noone gets them anymore! Dang!
Kelli
marji <marji@...> wrote:At 04:31 10/31/02 +0000, Mary B wrote:
>Now that we are on this subject, I was wondering about something else. To
>those of you who have unvaccinated children. Do you worry about them getting
>to a certain age and not having say like chicken pox? I mean that is one big
>one that is supposed to be worse when one is older. Does anyone think about
>that or try to expose their child to it when they are young?

I can't say that I worried about it, but I was on the lookout for chicken
pox, as were many other moms, so that my son could get it over with. Sure
enough, we found a case of chicken pox, and it was kind of funny how
playdates were arranged so that everyone could get in on
it. Unfortunately, one adult got the chicken pox, too. She must not have
realized that she didn't have it as a kid. She really suffered.

I wish I could find the other childhood diseases so he could get those over
with, but outbreaks of those are rare. He can always be vaccinated against
those other diseases as an adult, if he chooses, when the effects of the
vaccines would not be as devastating as they would have to a not-yet-formed
immune system.

Marji


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Myranda

None of my kids have had the chicken pox vaccine - Brett had the pox before the vaccine was widely used, so he had no need for the vaccine. Tyler hasn't had the vaccine, and I've put him in contact with 3 kids who had it, but he hasn't gotten it yet. I'm still hoping he'll get it! If he doesn't by the time he's a teenager, I'll probably tell him about the risks and let him decide if he wants to get the vaccine then.
Myranda

Now that we are on this subject, I was wondering about something else. To
those of you who have unvaccinated children. Do you worry about them getting
to a certain age and not having say like chicken pox? I mean that is one big
one that is supposed to be worse when one is older. Does anyone think about
that or try to expose their child to it when they are young?

Mary B

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Shyrley

On 31 Oct 02, at 4:31, Mary Bianco wrote:

> Now that we are on this subject, I was wondering about something else.
> To those of you who have unvaccinated children. Do you worry about
> them getting to a certain age and not having say like chicken pox? I
> mean that is one big one that is supposed to be worse when one is
> older. Does anyone think about that or try to expose their child to it
> when they are young?
>
> Mary B
>

Most kids get chickenpox in the UK cos so far the vaccination
hasn't been introduced (I bet it will soon) so my 3 have had it and
so had everyone we knew.
I don't vaccinate and I certainly wouldn't have gone for one like that.
The illness is generally mild and there are indications that the
vaccination can wear off by adulthood, making young adults
vunerable. (That isn't even with going into all the poisons inside
these things and the damage to the immune system....)

I'm not worried about any of the others although when my daughter
reaches 15 she can havea blood test to check her immunity to
Rubella. I think she's had it but its another very mild disease in that
there is a slight or no temp rise and a very mild rash. My doctor
didn't know if the various viral rashes she had as a toddler were
Rubella cos they all look the same.

My kids are all pretty healthy. They rarely ever get colds (having
said that, they have their first cold in 3 years right now but I blame
polluted Virginia for that maybe a bit unfairly but the air was so
dirty last week you could see it)

Shyrley


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<<
Now that we are on this subject, I was wondering about something else. To

those of you who have unvaccinated children. Do you worry about them
getting
to a certain age and not having say like chicken pox? I mean that is one
big
one that is supposed to be worse when one is older. Does anyone think
about
that or try to expose their child to it when they are young?

Mary B
>>

Our daughter is unvaccinated, and we talked about trying to expose her to
chicken pox, but so far, nobody that we know has had it!

Kevin


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[email protected]

In a message dated 10/31/02 7:31:57 AM Central Standard Time,
kellitraas@... writes:

> I'm dealing with the pox thing right now, wishing my 5yd could have had
> them, but noone gets them anymore! Dang!
> Kelli

As a child I was vaccinated against everything, we traveled and lived all
over the world. I still got a nasty case of small pox when we lived in
Africa, and every time I am exposed to chicken pox I get it. So, if I get it
again, want me to call you? <g>

~Nancy


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Kelli Traaseth

Hey, that would be great! Road trip right?
Kelli
Dnowens@... wrote:In a message dated 10/31/02 7:31:57 AM Central Standard Time,
kellitraas@... writes:

> I'm dealing with the pox thing right now, wishing my 5yd could have had
> them, but noone gets them anymore! Dang!
> Kelli

As a child I was vaccinated against everything, we traveled and lived all
over the world. I still got a nasty case of small pox when we lived in
Africa, and every time I am exposed to chicken pox I get it. So, if I get it
again, want me to call you? <g>

~Nancy


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In a message dated 10/31/02 10:42:32 AM Central Standard Time,
kellitraas@... writes:

> Hey, that would be great! Road trip right?
> Kelli
>

LOL! I was thinking that driving hundreds of miles with the pox might not be
very fun! <g>
~Nancy


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Kelli Traaseth

Noo... we would visit you! <g>
Kelli
Dnowens@... wrote:In a message dated 10/31/02 10:42:32 AM Central Standard Time,
kellitraas@... writes:

> Hey, that would be great! Road trip right?
> Kelli
>

LOL! I was thinking that driving hundreds of miles with the pox might not be
very fun! <g>
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In a message dated 10/30/02 9:30:31 PM, mummyone24@... writes:

<< Do you worry about them getting
to a certain age and not having say like chicken pox? >>

I had it when I was 19. Not a very severe case.

All my kids had it. We were in a babysitting co-op and almost all the kids
got it. The moms were happy enough with it. My poor friend Carol, though
(who wrote the late reading article that's at unschooling.com) had four kids,
and they got it separately. A week sick, a week incubation, then ONE more
kid got it, a week sick, a week incubation...

One or two families weren't wanting in on this, but those whose moms wanted
to get it over with were also willing to babysit the sick kids from the other
families even after the kids had it.

Holly was still really little when she had it. Not walking, I think.

My mom tried to expose me when i was a kid and for some reason i didn't get
it then. All three of the other kids at our house had it the same time, when
I was about ten, but even though she said "Sleep together, play together,
drink out of the same cup!!" I waited until I was a junior in college to
catch it from a four year old.

Sandra

Mary Bianco

>From: "the_clevengers" <diamondair@...>

<<As for whether or not to worry about it when they get older and
haven't gotten these things, I'll cross that bridge when I come to
it. I think there's a huge difference in choosing vaccines
selectively in bigger/older children, and sticking newborn babes full
of 10 different vaccines in huge doses.
Plus, DH and I love to travel and thus have been innoculated against
just about everything as we've been to several continents. Eventually
if the kids want to travel, that will probably be a necessity. Many
countries require certain immunizations for entrance. It will be
something to think about at that point. Right now, I'm not worried,
especially considering their natural resilience right now.>>


So you think vaccines in general aren't really harmful if given when one is
older?? That it's just with babies that can be a problem??

I knew of one lady from Australia that moved here with her kids and hadn't
had any of them vaccinated and had no problem moving here. I thought it
wasn't mandated that to travel you needed vaccines unless going to a part of
a country that may have very poor sanitary conditions. Can't military people
get out of being vaccinated?

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>From: SandraDodd@...

<<My mom tried to expose me when i was a kid and for some reason i didn't
get it then. All three of the other kids at our house had it the same time,
when I was about ten, but even though she said "Sleep together, play
together, drink out of the same cup!!" I waited until I was a junior in
college to catch it from a four year old.>>


My first daugher is totally vaccinated with everything. Well except chicken
pox but that came out after she already had them. My next 2 kids are
vaccinated half way and my last nothing at all. I just worry that maybe the
chicken pox caught in adulthood could be bad. That's really the only one I
worry about.

My mom swears I never had chicken pox. She was a nurse and I find it hard to
believe as an only child I had it and it slipped by her, no matter how mild
of a case. You have to know my mom!!!! So for years I would panic everytime
I heard the word. Didn't want to be almost 30 and have them. Well my first
child came down with them and I was like 33-34 and I thought well here we
go. She had a lot of them but not real bad like I've heard others say. The
Dr. told me I would get them for sure. When I didn't, he told me I had to
have had a case in my childhood, never mentioned a word about natural
immunity. I still don't think I had them and hopefully passed on some
immunity to my kids.

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In a message dated 10/31/02 8:42:35 AM, Dnowens@... writes:

<< I still got a nasty case of small pox when we lived in
Africa, and every time I am exposed to chicken pox I get it. So, if I get it
again, want me to call you? <g>
>>

Is that shingles? I've heard some people get "shingles" which is some kind
of aftermath of chickenpox.

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In a message dated 10/31/02 12:55:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mummyone24@... writes:


> Can't military people
> get out of being vaccinated?
>
> Mary B
>
>
>
>

Not mebers. Not without going to jail or getting kicked out.
Elissa


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Shyrley

On 31 Oct 02, at 17:54, Mary Bianco wrote:

> >From: "the_clevengers" <diamondair@...>
>
> <<As for whether or not to worry about it when they get older and
> haven't gotten these things, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
> I think there's a huge difference in choosing vaccines selectively in
> bigger/older children, and sticking newborn babes full of 10 different
> vaccines in huge doses. Plus, DH and I love to travel and thus have
> been innoculated against just about everything as we've been to
> several continents. Eventually if the kids want to travel, that will
> probably be a necessity. Many countries require certain immunizations
> for entrance. It will be something to think about at that point. Right
> now, I'm not worried, especially considering their natural resilience
> right now.>>
>
>
> So you think vaccines in general aren't really harmful if given when
> one is older?? That it's just with babies that can be a problem??
>
> I knew of one lady from Australia that moved here with her kids and
> hadn't had any of them vaccinated and had no problem moving here. I
> thought it wasn't mandated that to travel you needed vaccines unless
> going to a part of a country that may have very poor sanitary
> conditions. Can't military people get out of being vaccinated?
>
> Mary B
>
Everyone, including military personnel can avoid being vaccinated.
As for travel vaccines, they aren't really necassary if you keep
healthy and take precautions. I've been all over Europe, India,
South East Asia and Central America without a single jab.
Some countries require proof of yellow fever vaccination as a
condition of entry - some African ones - but a health certficate from
a US/UK doc or a fake vaccintaion cert works just as well.

The reason I know a fair bit about US vaccination requirements is
cos me and the kids had our immigration visa turned down
because we are non-vaccinated and we had to obtain a waiver. This
meant months of research into US law on vaccinations. Grrrrrrrr

While vaccines are not *as* toxic to an adult, mainly because of
body size there are numerous documented cases of death,
paralysis, ill-health etc after a shot for adults.
I'd avoid 'em all.

Shyrley


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Shyrley

On 31 Oct 02, at 15:30, Earthmomma67@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/31/02 12:55:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mummyone24@... writes:
>
>
> > Can't military people
> > get out of being vaccinated?
> >
> > Mary B
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Not mebers. Not without going to jail or getting kicked out.
> Elissa
>
They can. You don't lose your rights when you join the military. I
will try and find the web site that sets out the law.
The commanding officer often gets a bit narky but rights are rights.

Shyrley


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In a message dated 10/31/02 1:40:20 PM, shyrley.williams@... writes:

<< They can. You don't lose your rights when you join the military. >>

You lose a heck of a lot of them.

Tia Leschke

>
> My first daugher is totally vaccinated with everything. Well except
chicken
> pox but that came out after she already had them. My next 2 kids are
> vaccinated half way and my last nothing at all. I just worry that maybe
the
> chicken pox caught in adulthood could be bad. That's really the only one I
> worry about.

I'm in the same situation with Lars, and the one I worry about is mumps.
Tia

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In a message dated 10/31/02 3:45:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
shyrley.williams@... writes:


> The commanding officer often gets a bit snarky but rights are rights.
>
>

I thought there was a big deal recently about some service members who
refused the anthrax vaccine and were tried under military code. Failure to
obey a legal order or something similar.
I think "technically" you can refuse but your military career will be over.
Elissa


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Shyrley

On 1 Nov 02, at 9:58, Earthmomma67@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/31/02 3:45:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> shyrley.williams@... writes:
>
>
> > The commanding officer often gets a bit snarky but rights are
> > rights.
> >
> >
>
> I thought there was a big deal recently about some service members who
> refused the anthrax vaccine and were tried under military code.
> Failure to obey a legal order or something similar. I think
> "technically" you can refuse but your military career will be over.
> Elissa
>
Its a tricky situation. Legally the military can't vaccinate you
against your will but also legally you can't disobey an order.
Pretty much depends on your commanding officer.

I been reading the Gulf War veterans site. Its heartbreaking and
also disgusting the stuff that has come from the Pentagon about
what they knowlingly did to people.
Grrrrrr

Shyrley


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Could someone in the military refuse vacc. for "religious " reasons?
Sharon

marji

At 10:23 11/1/02 -0500, Shyrley wrote:
>I been reading the Gulf War veterans site. Its heartbreaking and
>also disgusting the stuff that has come from the Pentagon about
>what they knowlingly did to people.
>Grrrrrr
>
>Shyrley

Yeah. Then, you start thinking about the hypocritical bullshit our
government pushes down our throats about other offending countries and what
they do to their people. I'm not saying Saddam is some kind of angel, but
before we go trying to "fix" other countries and install some kind of new
regime, we'd better look at what's happening here with our own "leaders."

Okay, rant over. That ought to get me my own dossier, right?

marji

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Shyrley

On 1 Nov 02, at 10:27, sharonashleigh@... wrote:

> Could someone in the military refuse vacc. for "religious " reasons?
> Sharon
>
Legally yes but as someone else pointed out, the military likes to
think it has more power than it does.

Shyrley


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In a message dated 11/1/02 8:57:27 AM, shyrley.williams@... writes:

<< > Could someone in the military refuse vacc. for "religious " reasons?
> Sharon
>
Legally yes but as someone else pointed out, the military likes to
think it has more power than it does. >>

Let's see...
They can put people in federal prison.
They can station them in horrible places and ignore their requests for
transfer.
They can accuse people of treason or desertion and sentence them to real or
political death, can't they?

Mary Bianco

>From: "Tia Leschke" <leschke@...>

>I'm in the same situation with Lars, and the one I worry about is mumps.>>



Wow, I haven't heard of anyone getting mumps in years. I mean know people
get it, I just mean locally through the people I know and who they know. I
hear about chicken pox and measles but no mumps.

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>
>
> Wow, I haven't heard of anyone getting mumps in years. I mean know people
> get it, I just mean locally through the people I know and who they know. I
> hear about chicken pox and measles but no mumps.

That's probably because the mumps vaccine has been around a lot longer. My
nephew got mumps a couple of years ago and was so sick he missed a month of
college and had to drop out for the semester.
Tia

Karin

> Now that we are on this subject, I was wondering about something else. To
> those of you who have unvaccinated children. Do you worry about them
getting
> to a certain age and not having say like chicken pox? I mean that is one
big
> one that is supposed to be worse when one is older. Does anyone think
about
> that or try to expose their child to it when they are young?
>
> Mary B


My boys aren't vaccinated, and they haven't had chicken pox yet.
We've even tried to expose them a few times but it didn't work.
They are very anxious to have the chicken pox over and done with and so am
I.
I had chicken pox when I was 18 and it was very bad for me.
Besides all the oozing, painful sores covering every inch of my body, I also
had a high fever and a terrible sore throat. I was in bed for 2 weeks and
got a few scars from the pox.
I would really like my boys to get chicken pox soon. They are 9 and 11.

Karin