s*x and adults and a side topic
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In a message dated 10/29/02 10:00:32 PM, pamhartley@... writes:
<< You can't be a lesbian
who sometimes has sex with men. >>
I know a couple of women who fit that description exactly. They don't want a
relationship with a man. They just want that momentary thing.
And there was research in the past few years (maybe even last year) about the
effect of sperm on women. Seriously. Pretty soon they'll probably be
selling it in Jergen's lotion or something.
Sandra
<< You can't be a lesbian
who sometimes has sex with men. >>
I know a couple of women who fit that description exactly. They don't want a
relationship with a man. They just want that momentary thing.
And there was research in the past few years (maybe even last year) about the
effect of sperm on women. Seriously. Pretty soon they'll probably be
selling it in Jergen's lotion or something.
Sandra
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In a message dated 10/30/02 1:38:06 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
monogamous relationship and have regular sex have a lesser chance of cervical
cancer than women who have multiple partners. I have also heard that sex with
a partner that isn't circumcised increases the chance of cervical cancer. I
don't put much stock in that one though. Sperm, actually semen, has proteins
that are good for you, in ways I don't know much about. Although some women
are allergic to something in the semen. It causes yeast infections. Also,
during pregnancy when your hormones are in overdrive and some are decreased
significantly, semen can react differently with your body. All four times I
was pregnant, Darin had to use a condom if we had sex because I got horrible
yeast infections if he didn't. (too much info? sorry)
~Nancy
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> And there was research in the past few years (maybe even last year) aboutI have heard, but don't know how true this is, that women who have a
> the
> effect of sperm on women. Seriously. Pretty soon they'll probably be
> selling it in Jergen's lotion or something.
>
> Sandra
monogamous relationship and have regular sex have a lesser chance of cervical
cancer than women who have multiple partners. I have also heard that sex with
a partner that isn't circumcised increases the chance of cervical cancer. I
don't put much stock in that one though. Sperm, actually semen, has proteins
that are good for you, in ways I don't know much about. Although some women
are allergic to something in the semen. It causes yeast infections. Also,
during pregnancy when your hormones are in overdrive and some are decreased
significantly, semen can react differently with your body. All four times I
was pregnant, Darin had to use a condom if we had sex because I got horrible
yeast infections if he didn't. (too much info? sorry)
~Nancy
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Deborah Lewis
***And there was research in the past few years (maybe even last year)
about the
effect of sperm on women.***
That would be pregnancy, right?<g>
Or, failing that, and irresistible craving for spaghetti.
***Pretty soon they'll probably be selling it in Jergen's lotion or
something.***
Oh, Oh! Somebody already makes a lotion with cucumbers!
Honestly mom I don't know how it happened! It MUST have been the hand
lotion!!
Deb L
about the
effect of sperm on women.***
That would be pregnancy, right?<g>
Or, failing that, and irresistible craving for spaghetti.
***Pretty soon they'll probably be selling it in Jergen's lotion or
something.***
Oh, Oh! Somebody already makes a lotion with cucumbers!
Honestly mom I don't know how it happened! It MUST have been the hand
lotion!!
Deb L
Mary Bianco
>From: Dnowens@...<<I have heard, but don't know how true this is, that women who have a
>monogamous relationship and have regular sex have a lesser chance ofI'm wondering if this has to do with possibly getting HPV from numerous
>cervical cancer than women who have multiple partners.>>
parnters or is it just generally multiple parnters to begin with regardless
of catching a STD??? Just wondering if you know?
Mary B
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**And there was research in the past few years (maybe even last year)
about the effect of sperm on women. Seriously.**
I just read something fascinating in a recent issue of U.S. News and
World Report. Studies are showing that women are less likely to have
pregnancy complications like eclampsia, if they've been having sex with
the man for a year or more prior to becoming pregnant. The theory is
that it takes time for the woman's immune system to adjust to the man's
sperm and not reject it.
Betsy
about the effect of sperm on women. Seriously.**
I just read something fascinating in a recent issue of U.S. News and
World Report. Studies are showing that women are less likely to have
pregnancy complications like eclampsia, if they've been having sex with
the man for a year or more prior to becoming pregnant. The theory is
that it takes time for the woman's immune system to adjust to the man's
sperm and not reject it.
Betsy
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In a message dated 10/30/02 3:23:44 PM Central Standard Time,
ddzimlew@... writes:
thinking about where the lotion would have to be put for that to happen!
~Nancy
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ddzimlew@... writes:
> ***Pretty soon they'll probably be selling it in Jergen's lotion or:::THUD::: Did you hear that? That was me falling off my chair! I was just
> something.***
> Oh, Oh! Somebody already makes a lotion with cucumbers!
>
> Honestly mom I don't know how it happened! It MUST have been the hand
> lotion!!
>
> Deb L
thinking about where the lotion would have to be put for that to happen!
~Nancy
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In a message dated 10/30/02 3:52:23 PM Central Standard Time,
mummyone24@... writes:
causes as well) or any STD increases your chances of cervical cancer. So does
multiple partners. And I think because multiple partners increases the risk
of disease, it stands to reason why it would also increase the risk of
cancer.
~Nancy
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mummyone24@... writes:
> I'm wondering if this has to do with possibly getting HPV from numerousHaving HPV (herpes), PID (pelvic inflammatory disease from tampons and other
> parnters or is it just generally multiple parnters to begin with regardless
>
> of catching a STD??? Just wondering if you know?
>
>
> Mary B
causes as well) or any STD increases your chances of cervical cancer. So does
multiple partners. And I think because multiple partners increases the risk
of disease, it stands to reason why it would also increase the risk of
cancer.
~Nancy
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Mary Bianco
>From: Dnowens@...<<Having HPV (herpes), PID (pelvic inflammatory disease from tampons and
other causes as well) or any STD increases your chances of cervical cancer.
So does multiple partners. And I think because multiple partners increases
the risk of disease, it stands to reason why it would also increase the risk
of cancer.>>
Just for the record, HPV is not herpes, it's human papilloma virus.
Mary B
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In a message dated 10/30/02 7:17:59 PM Central Standard Time, Dnowens@...
writes:
So much for proofreading. I'm sorry for the mistake.
~Nancy
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writes:
> Having HPV (herpes), PID (pelvic inflammatory disease from tampons and otherOOPS!! @@ The above should read *Having HPV, HSV-2 (genital herpes), PID... *
>
> causes as well) or any STD increases your chances of cervical cancer. So
> does
> multiple partners. And I think because multiple partners increases the risk
>
> of disease, it stands to reason why it would also increase the risk of
> cancer.
> ~Nancy
So much for proofreading. I'm sorry for the mistake.
~Nancy
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Kelli Traaseth
Ok, Deb, I can't even read I'm laughing so hard!!
Kelli
Deborah Lewis <ddzimlew@...> wrote:***And there was research in the past few years (maybe even last year)
about the
effect of sperm on women.***
That would be pregnancy, right?<g>
Or, failing that, and irresistible craving for spaghetti.
***Pretty soon they'll probably be selling it in Jergen's lotion or
something.***
Oh, Oh! Somebody already makes a lotion with cucumbers!
Honestly mom I don't know how it happened! It MUST have been the hand
lotion!!
Deb L
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Kelli
Deborah Lewis <ddzimlew@...> wrote:***And there was research in the past few years (maybe even last year)
about the
effect of sperm on women.***
That would be pregnancy, right?<g>
Or, failing that, and irresistible craving for spaghetti.
***Pretty soon they'll probably be selling it in Jergen's lotion or
something.***
Oh, Oh! Somebody already makes a lotion with cucumbers!
Honestly mom I don't know how it happened! It MUST have been the hand
lotion!!
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In a message dated 10/30/2002 7:17:56 PM Central Standard Time,
Dnowens@... writes:
Tuck
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Dnowens@... writes:
> HPV (herpes)Are human pappiloma virus and herpes the same thing?
>
>
Tuck
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In a message dated 10/30/02 8:17:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dnowens@...
writes:
Herpes is a result of the Herpes Simplex Virus. There are two forms I and II
I is coldsores around the mouth. Most of the population has that virus,
Herpes II is genital herpes. As with HPV, it is forever. Some may have an
outbreak once in their entire lives and never show it again. Others suffer
with outbreaks several times a year for their life.
It's sucks to get. Wear a condom.
Elissa
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writes:
> HPV (herpes),HPV stands for Human Papilloma Virus. It shows itself as warts.
Herpes is a result of the Herpes Simplex Virus. There are two forms I and II
I is coldsores around the mouth. Most of the population has that virus,
Herpes II is genital herpes. As with HPV, it is forever. Some may have an
outbreak once in their entire lives and never show it again. Others suffer
with outbreaks several times a year for their life.
It's sucks to get. Wear a condom.
Elissa
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In a message dated 10/31/2002 8:55:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tuckervill@... writes:
found in the genital area or the mouth. Both Herpes I and II can be found in
both areas.
Ginny
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tuckervill@... writes:
> Are human pappiloma virus and herpes the same thing?No. HPV are genital warts. Herpes are painful ulceration (sores) whether
>
> Tuck
>
found in the genital area or the mouth. Both Herpes I and II can be found in
both areas.
Ginny
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In a message dated 10/31/2002 8:52:38 AM Central Standard Time,
GDobes@... writes:
Tuck
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GDobes@... writes:
> No. HPV are genital warts. Herpes are painful ulceration (sores) whetherThat's what I thought, and Nancy cleared it up later.
> found in the genital area or the mouth. Both Herpes I and II can be found
> in
> both areas.
>
>
Tuck
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In a message dated 10/31/02 7:54:16 AM Central Standard Time,
tuckervill@... writes:
under. They are responsible for warts anywhere on the body. Although only
some are sexually transmitted. (genital or venereal warts) You can treat, but
not cure them. Some people (25-35%?) get the visual sign of warts, but many
never show the wart symptom. Some believe that it is the subclinical versions
that are linked to cancer. That is why pap smears are so important. The warts
appear on the vulva, in or around the vagina, anus, on the cervix, anywhere
on the groin and thighs, and sometimes in the mouth. (penis and scrotum for
men) The warts can be raised or flat, small or large, single or clumped in a
group. (look like a little head of cauliflower) Normally they are
flesh-colored and painless. (also pinkish or gray) Spread by skin to skin
contact, interring through tiny breaks in the skin. Once you get it, it could
take months or years for it to come back to the surface, if at all. There is
no blood test for it.
Herpes (HSV-1 and HSV-2) is part of the family of viruses that causes chicken
pox, shingles, and infectious mononucleosis. HSV-1 is what causes cold sores,
fever blisters and the like. It can be the cause of sores in the genital
area, but usually those are caused by HSV-2. There is no cure, but there are
drugs to treat a breakout. The virus lives in nerve cells at the base of the
spine and creeps to the surface once in a while. The outbreak looks like
blisters. Most people who have the disease don't even know it because they
have no symptoms. It is thought that some 20% of genital herpes is spread by
oral sex. (that is a person can have genital herpes in the mouth, just like
they can have the HSV-1 in the genitals) There is a blood test for herpes.
Unlike chlamydia, gonorrhea, HIV, syphilis, and chancroid, neither is a
reportable disease, so if you have it, either you or your doctor will (or
won't) discover it. You won't be getting calls from the health department.
Herpes looks like blisters, and HPV looks like warts.
~Nancy who is sorry for the confusion.
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tuckervill@... writes:
> Are human pappiloma virus and herpes the same thing?No. How to explain this? HPV is a generic term that more than 60 viruses fall
>
> Tuck
under. They are responsible for warts anywhere on the body. Although only
some are sexually transmitted. (genital or venereal warts) You can treat, but
not cure them. Some people (25-35%?) get the visual sign of warts, but many
never show the wart symptom. Some believe that it is the subclinical versions
that are linked to cancer. That is why pap smears are so important. The warts
appear on the vulva, in or around the vagina, anus, on the cervix, anywhere
on the groin and thighs, and sometimes in the mouth. (penis and scrotum for
men) The warts can be raised or flat, small or large, single or clumped in a
group. (look like a little head of cauliflower) Normally they are
flesh-colored and painless. (also pinkish or gray) Spread by skin to skin
contact, interring through tiny breaks in the skin. Once you get it, it could
take months or years for it to come back to the surface, if at all. There is
no blood test for it.
Herpes (HSV-1 and HSV-2) is part of the family of viruses that causes chicken
pox, shingles, and infectious mononucleosis. HSV-1 is what causes cold sores,
fever blisters and the like. It can be the cause of sores in the genital
area, but usually those are caused by HSV-2. There is no cure, but there are
drugs to treat a breakout. The virus lives in nerve cells at the base of the
spine and creeps to the surface once in a while. The outbreak looks like
blisters. Most people who have the disease don't even know it because they
have no symptoms. It is thought that some 20% of genital herpes is spread by
oral sex. (that is a person can have genital herpes in the mouth, just like
they can have the HSV-1 in the genitals) There is a blood test for herpes.
Unlike chlamydia, gonorrhea, HIV, syphilis, and chancroid, neither is a
reportable disease, so if you have it, either you or your doctor will (or
won't) discover it. You won't be getting calls from the health department.
Herpes looks like blisters, and HPV looks like warts.
~Nancy who is sorry for the confusion.
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In a message dated 10/31/02 9:04:17 AM Central Standard Time,
tuckervill@... writes:
(Wow! Maybe next year when I have to renew my boards, I should look for a
class on STD's to bone up! <g>)
~Nancy :::shaking her head at herself!:::
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tuckervill@... writes:
> That's what I thought, and Nancy cleared it up later.Yeah, last night and again today. I had to go get some of my literature out.
>
> Tuck
>
(Wow! Maybe next year when I have to renew my boards, I should look for a
class on STD's to bone up! <g>)
~Nancy :::shaking her head at herself!:::
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Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry
<<I have heard, but don't know how true this is, that women who have a
monogamous relationship and have regular sex have a lesser chance of cervical
cancer than women who have multiple partners.
i believe that's true. Also, a woman who is pregnant in a relationship which has been monogamous for at least a year before conception and who has regular monogamous sex, is much less likely to lose that baby due to miscarriage, than a woman with more sex partners before and after conception.
As for the cirumcision study, I believe it was flawed but can't remember why--perhaps you'll find it refuted on a no-circ site?
What is sure, in my experience at least, is that an intact male has the potential for giving and recieiving pleasure much more sensitive than a circed man.
ingrid
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monogamous relationship and have regular sex have a lesser chance of cervical
cancer than women who have multiple partners.
i believe that's true. Also, a woman who is pregnant in a relationship which has been monogamous for at least a year before conception and who has regular monogamous sex, is much less likely to lose that baby due to miscarriage, than a woman with more sex partners before and after conception.
As for the cirumcision study, I believe it was flawed but can't remember why--perhaps you'll find it refuted on a no-circ site?
What is sure, in my experience at least, is that an intact male has the potential for giving and recieiving pleasure much more sensitive than a circed man.
ingrid
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Mary Bianco
>From: "Ingrid Bauer/Jean-Claude Catry" <instinct@...><<What is sure, in my experience at least, is that an intact male has the
potential for giving and recieiving pleasure much more sensitive than a
circed man.>>
Well I would agree on the intact male being more sensitive on the receiving
end but not so sure this would apply in general on the giving end.
Mary B
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From: Mary Bianco
Well I would agree on the intact male being more sensitive on the receiving
end but not so sure this would apply in general on the giving end.
Mary B
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Myranda
From: Mary Bianco
Well I would agree on the intact male being more sensitive on the receiving
end but not so sure this would apply in general on the giving end.
Mary B
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In a message dated 10/31/02 11:07:51 AM, mummyone24@... writes:
<< Well I would agree on the intact male being more sensitive on the
receiving
end but not so sure this would apply in general on the giving end. >>
There should be a mucus membrane situation going on, but when the foreskin is
removed, the end of the penis becomes more like palm-of-hand skin. Still
sensitive, but not quite the same.
I've read quite a bit about this. My first real sex partner was
uncircumcised. That was nearly four years of relations. I didn't have a
basis for comparison. The first time hurt him a bit, and it bled, a bit.
The skin hadn't ever been pulled fully back that way.
One thing I've read is that it's possible that routine circumcision is a
contributing cause to men having and fantasizing about rougher sex, because
really gentle sex doesn't work as well for circumcised men as for
uncircumcised.
Sandra
<< Well I would agree on the intact male being more sensitive on the
receiving
end but not so sure this would apply in general on the giving end. >>
There should be a mucus membrane situation going on, but when the foreskin is
removed, the end of the penis becomes more like palm-of-hand skin. Still
sensitive, but not quite the same.
I've read quite a bit about this. My first real sex partner was
uncircumcised. That was nearly four years of relations. I didn't have a
basis for comparison. The first time hurt him a bit, and it bled, a bit.
The skin hadn't ever been pulled fully back that way.
One thing I've read is that it's possible that routine circumcision is a
contributing cause to men having and fantasizing about rougher sex, because
really gentle sex doesn't work as well for circumcised men as for
uncircumcised.
Sandra
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In a message dated 10/31/02 1:07:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mummyone24@... writes:
fluids, there by making it more lubricated. The friction of the foreskin
moving during sex also adds to the female's pleasure.
Or so I've read.
Elissa
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mummyone24@... writes:
> end but not so sure this would apply in general on the giving end.Actually an intact male secretes a fluid that enhances the females natural
>
>
fluids, there by making it more lubricated. The friction of the foreskin
moving during sex also adds to the female's pleasure.
Or so I've read.
Elissa
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In a message dated 10/31/02 11:54:54 AM Central Standard Time,
instinct@... writes:
circumcision decision to Darin. I wasn't for it too much, but wasn't totally
against it. I thought Darin might want Jack to look like him, but he claimed
he was made fun of too much and didn't want Jack to go through what he went
through. So Jack is circumcised. If we had any more boys, I would push for
not doing it.
~Nancy
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instinct@... writes:
> As for the cirumcision study, I believe it was flawed but can't rememberI agree, I don't think it has/had any basis. Although I deferred the
> why--perhaps you'll find it refuted on a no-circ site?
circumcision decision to Darin. I wasn't for it too much, but wasn't totally
against it. I thought Darin might want Jack to look like him, but he claimed
he was made fun of too much and didn't want Jack to go through what he went
through. So Jack is circumcised. If we had any more boys, I would push for
not doing it.
> What is sure, in my experience at least, is that an intact male has theLOL I do agree with that.
> potential for giving and receiving pleasure much more sensitive than a
> circed man.
>
> ingrid
~Nancy
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In a message dated 10/31/02 1:38:26 PM, Earthmomma67@... writes:
<< Actually an intact male secretes a fluid that enhances the females natural
fluids, there by making it more lubricated. >>
So do circumcised, but it's more likely to get lost than if the foreskin was
there to catch and redistribute it.
Sandra
<< Actually an intact male secretes a fluid that enhances the females natural
fluids, there by making it more lubricated. >>
So do circumcised, but it's more likely to get lost than if the foreskin was
there to catch and redistribute it.
Sandra
Mary Bianco
>From: Earthmomma67@...<<Actually an intact male secretes a fluid that enhances the females natural
fluids, there by making it more lubricated. The friction of the foreskin
moving during sex also adds to the female's pleasure.
Or so I've read.>>
I've had quite a few of both and have never seen any difference in my
pleasure according to whether they were intact or not. Big difference on how
they would be pleased but nothing the other way around. It depended on the
guy, not what was (or wasn't) in his pants!!
Mary B
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In a message dated 10/31/2002 3:13:17 PM Central Standard Time,
Dnowens@... writes:
Men aren't exactly objective about it.
The same men who will have their sons cut for fashion purposes are often the
same men who are too afraid to have the vasectomy.
I've deleted a whole lot of ranting about this subject. It's not directed at
anyone in particular.
Tuck
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Dnowens@... writes:
> Although I deferred theI don't understand why any woman would defer the circ issue to the father.
> circumcision decision to Darin. I wasn't for it too much, but wasn't
> totally
> against it. I thought Darin might want Jack to look like him, but he
> claimed
> he was made fun of too much and didn't want Jack to go through what he went
>
> through. So Jack is circumcised. If we had any more boys, I would push for
> not doing it.
>
Men aren't exactly objective about it.
The same men who will have their sons cut for fashion purposes are often the
same men who are too afraid to have the vasectomy.
I've deleted a whole lot of ranting about this subject. It's not directed at
anyone in particular.
Tuck
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Kelli Traaseth
Hi Tuck,
I have friends who have done both and I guess that they are thinking that they are doing what is best for their son, if they do something different from dad the son might feel bad, they were just trying to be sensitive to the child? maybe?
Take Care,
Kelli
tuckervill@... wrote:In a message dated 10/31/2002 3:13:17 PM Central Standard Time,
Dnowens@... writes:
Men aren't exactly objective about it.
The same men who will have their sons cut for fashion purposes are often the
same men who are too afraid to have the vasectomy.
I've deleted a whole lot of ranting about this subject. It's not directed at
anyone in particular.
Tuck
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I have friends who have done both and I guess that they are thinking that they are doing what is best for their son, if they do something different from dad the son might feel bad, they were just trying to be sensitive to the child? maybe?
Take Care,
Kelli
tuckervill@... wrote:In a message dated 10/31/2002 3:13:17 PM Central Standard Time,
Dnowens@... writes:
> Although I deferred theI don't understand why any woman would defer the circ issue to the father.
> circumcision decision to Darin. I wasn't for it too much, but wasn't
> totally
> against it. I thought Darin might want Jack to look like him, but he
> claimed
> he was made fun of too much and didn't want Jack to go through what he went
>
> through. So Jack is circumcised. If we had any more boys, I would push for
> not doing it.
>
Men aren't exactly objective about it.
The same men who will have their sons cut for fashion purposes are often the
same men who are too afraid to have the vasectomy.
I've deleted a whole lot of ranting about this subject. It's not directed at
anyone in particular.
Tuck
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Stephanie Elms
> I have friends who have done both and I guess that they areI don't really buy that argument though...Kyle's hair is blondish
> thinking that they are doing what is best for their son, if
> they do something different from dad the son might feel bad,
> they were just trying to be sensitive to the child? maybe?
> Take Care,
> Kelli
whereas Jeff's is brown, is this going to cause him to feel bad? Or
what if he had blue eyes instead of brown like his dad's. There
are so many ways that boys are different from their fathers, why
do people feel that having penises that look different will cause
emotional damage?
That said, we did circ Jason, mainly because Jeff was. However, by
the time Kyle was born I had looked into it more and decided that
there was no real reason to do it and just could not see putting
him through the pain. I did leave the ultimate decision up to Jeff
but made sure that he knew exactly why and where I stood on the issue.
So we have one circed and one not. There has been only one time that
Jason asked me about Kyle's foreskin and that was when Kyle went through
a period of fascination with his penis (I think that the foreskin was
loosening because it was the first time that the glens came out of the
foreskin). I explained to Jason that he was circumcised and so he did not
have a foreskin whereas Kyle did. It has never been an issue...just another
way that they are different, like Jason has curlier hair then Kyle etc.
The circ rate is lower then it used to be, so I think that there is a much
bigger chance of having intact and circed penises in locker rooms, so
hopefully Kyle will never have to feel different. I actually worry more about
Jason some day asking why we had his cut off....
Stephanie E.
Kelli Traaseth
Stephanie Elms <stephanie.elms@...> wrote:
<I don't really buy that argument though>
Well, I guess you don't have to buy, it but my friend felt that way and actually it was that her husband wasn't circumcised and everyone else they knew was, but they decided not to because they didn't want to. So, we might be talking about the same issue here and not knowing it. Sorry if I got the discussion mixed up.
Take Care,
Kelli
whereas Jeff's is brown, is this going to cause him to feel bad? Or
what if he had blue eyes instead of brown like his dad's. There
are so many ways that boys are different from their fathers, why
do people feel that having penises that look different will cause
emotional damage?
That said, we did circ Jason, mainly because Jeff was. However, by
the time Kyle was born I had looked into it more and decided that
there was no real reason to do it and just could not see putting
him through the pain. I did leave the ultimate decision up to Jeff
but made sure that he knew exactly why and where I stood on the issue.
So we have one circed and one not. There has been only one time that
Jason asked me about Kyle's foreskin and that was when Kyle went through
a period of fascination with his penis (I think that the foreskin was
loosening because it was the first time that the glens came out of the
foreskin). I explained to Jason that he was circumcised and so he did not
have a foreskin whereas Kyle did. It has never been an issue...just another
way that they are different, like Jason has curlier hair then Kyle etc.
The circ rate is lower then it used to be, so I think that there is a much
bigger chance of having intact and circed penises in locker rooms, so
hopefully Kyle will never have to feel different. I actually worry more about
Jason some day asking why we had his cut off....
Stephanie E.
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<I don't really buy that argument though>
Well, I guess you don't have to buy, it but my friend felt that way and actually it was that her husband wasn't circumcised and everyone else they knew was, but they decided not to because they didn't want to. So, we might be talking about the same issue here and not knowing it. Sorry if I got the discussion mixed up.
Take Care,
Kelli
> I have friends who have done both and I guess that they areI don't really buy that argument though...Kyle's hair is blondish
> thinking that they are doing what is best for their son, if
> they do something different from dad the son might feel bad,
> they were just trying to be sensitive to the child? maybe?
> Take Care,
> Kelli
whereas Jeff's is brown, is this going to cause him to feel bad? Or
what if he had blue eyes instead of brown like his dad's. There
are so many ways that boys are different from their fathers, why
do people feel that having penises that look different will cause
emotional damage?
That said, we did circ Jason, mainly because Jeff was. However, by
the time Kyle was born I had looked into it more and decided that
there was no real reason to do it and just could not see putting
him through the pain. I did leave the ultimate decision up to Jeff
but made sure that he knew exactly why and where I stood on the issue.
So we have one circed and one not. There has been only one time that
Jason asked me about Kyle's foreskin and that was when Kyle went through
a period of fascination with his penis (I think that the foreskin was
loosening because it was the first time that the glens came out of the
foreskin). I explained to Jason that he was circumcised and so he did not
have a foreskin whereas Kyle did. It has never been an issue...just another
way that they are different, like Jason has curlier hair then Kyle etc.
The circ rate is lower then it used to be, so I think that there is a much
bigger chance of having intact and circed penises in locker rooms, so
hopefully Kyle will never have to feel different. I actually worry more about
Jason some day asking why we had his cut off....
Stephanie E.
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Stephanie Elms
> Well, I guess you don't have to buy, it but my friend feltOh, I wasn't saying that people did not feel that way, only that it did
> that way and actually it was that her husband wasn't
> circumcised and everyone else they knew was, but they decided
> not to because they didn't want to. So, we might be talking
> about the same issue here and not knowing it. Sorry if I got
> the discussion mixed up.
not really make much sense if you really take a look at it. :o) We actually
did feel that way with our first, but with our second I really looked at
it closer and saw that our son's emotional well-being is not dependant
upon his penis being the same as his father's.
Actually it sounds as if they made the "right" decision for the wrong reasons
lol!
Stephanie E.
PS. The magazines are going out in the mail this afternoon...sorry for the delay!
Kelli Traaseth
Thanks Stephanie, I did subscribe to it too, I just couldn't resist! It sounds great.
Take Care,
Kelli
Stephanie Elms <stephanie.elms@...> wrote:> Well, I guess you don't have to buy, it but my friend felt
not really make much sense if you really take a look at it. :o) We actually
did feel that way with our first, but with our second I really looked at
it closer and saw that our son's emotional well-being is not dependant
upon his penis being the same as his father's.
Actually it sounds as if they made the "right" decision for the wrong reasons
lol!
Stephanie E.
PS. The magazines are going out in the mail this afternoon...sorry for the delay!
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Take Care,
Kelli
Stephanie Elms <stephanie.elms@...> wrote:> Well, I guess you don't have to buy, it but my friend felt
> that way and actually it was that her husband wasn'tOh, I wasn't saying that people did not feel that way, only that it did
> circumcised and everyone else they knew was, but they decided
> not to because they didn't want to. So, we might be talking
> about the same issue here and not knowing it. Sorry if I got
> the discussion mixed up.
not really make much sense if you really take a look at it. :o) We actually
did feel that way with our first, but with our second I really looked at
it closer and saw that our son's emotional well-being is not dependant
upon his penis being the same as his father's.
Actually it sounds as if they made the "right" decision for the wrong reasons
lol!
Stephanie E.
PS. The magazines are going out in the mail this afternoon...sorry for the delay!
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