Lynda

"It's kind of funny, but when you are connected to so many home schoolers,
you forget that the world at large doesn't understand or approve."

I read this and it struck a real sad note. I guess that even with all the
problems we have with imported crime, for homeschooling/unschooling, we
live in a great area. The local school districts even refer folks to the
local homeschooling group. Where ever we go, youngest kidlet is forever
being asking about being in school or having a school holiday, since we are
out and about a lot. She always informs them she is homeschooled and the
responses are always "gee that's great," "wish I had the patience," "gee
you're a lucky little girl," and other comments along those lines.

I've been homeschooling since the late 60's and have never run up against
the prejudices, etc. that others seem to. I sincerely wish all that have
had these negative experiences to have the positive ones that we always
have in their future!

Lynda

----------
>From: Jastypes@...
>

> Well, Kelly, you're not alone. :-) My son, Adam's, psychologist had
pretty
> much the same attitude. Fortunately for me, Adam had been in ps until
6th
> grade and hospitalized in 5th grade, and it was obvious that the ps
school
> stress was very detrimental to his mental health. Also, since he's been
> homeschooled, he has not required any medication. Of course, that didn't

> stop her from inquiring. She finally dropped the ps idea, and began
> suggesting various social activities. Well, we finally did get Adam into
a
> wonderful church youth group where he feels accepted and has even made
> friends.
>
> It's kind of funny, but when you are connected to so many home schoolers,
you
> forget that the world at large doesn't understand or approve.
>
> Love,
> Jill
>
> > Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com

Lynda

What's know as "behind the Redwood Curtain," Humboldt County in California,
to be exact. But, I have lived in other areas of Northern CA and never
experienced the stuff that was being talked about, from San Francisco up.

I also didn't experience problems with ps when I was a kid other than
reverse discrimination when I was in K-2. I went to the largest school in
the U.S. at that time, in the ghetto (projects built for ex-military right
after WWII and Korean wars) and the school population was over 70% black.
I looked Hispanic (am NA) and was called a "spic," "greaser," and "wetback"
by kids in "K" no less. Racism starts young! The "white" kids were called
"honkies," "trailer trash," and a few other choice names. The teachers
came down on the behavior strongly but there's not much they can do about
what is taught at home.

Lynda

----------

> From: "Carolyn Talarr" <talarr@...>
>
> we
> >live in a great area.
>
>
> I'll say! What an amazing situation you're in!
>
> Do you mind if I ask in a very general way where you live?
>
>
> Carolyn, near Raleigh NC
>
> > Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com

Carolyn Talarr

we
>live in a great area.


I'll say! What an amazing situation you're in!

Do you mind if I ask in a very general way where you live?


Carolyn, near Raleigh NC

Lynda

Welllll, if I had been the first one here, I would say it was just because
they were glad to get rid of me <g> But is seems to just be an over all
live and let live kinda atmosphere when it comes to education.

Lynda

----------
>
> From: Bonknit@...
>
> I wish we had such a friendly school district. Ours is not homeschool or
even charter school friendly. They do not like anything that interferes
with their monopoly.
> Laura
>
> > Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com

[email protected]

I wish we had such a friendly school district. Ours is not homeschool or even charter school friendly. They do not like anything that interferes with their monopoly.
Laura

Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall

At 03:53 AM 11/26/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
>
>Welllll, if I had been the first one here, I would say it was just because
>they were glad to get rid of me <g> But is seems to just be an over all
>live and let live kinda atmosphere when it comes to education.
>
>Lynda

Lynda, it's a live and let live attitude about MOST things in that part of
the world! That is precisely why most folks like to live there, or move
there, among other things. I grew up in SF and spent a great deal of time
in the surrounding counties also. It's a very open minded and accepting
place to live. (In general that is, I got my fair share of reverse
discrimination and violence too.) The "Hippie" movement being centered in
N. Calif. went a great way towards making folks tolerant of alternative
lifestyles there I think. It also doesn't hurt that there is such a huge
proportion of races and cultures gathered there besides middle-class white
American.

Nanci K. in Idaho (now)

Joel Hawthorne

I was raised in Oroville, Ca. Butte County. Orange county north. John Birch
Society, Minutemen, et. al. Racially motivated murders etc. Have lived in
Sacramento, S.F. Daly City, Elk near Mendicino, Santa Cruz. I've traveled over
much of N. California. It is an interesting mix of places, politics and people.
Has anyone ever read the The Anderson Valley Advertiser? It is a radical rag
which I enjoyed episodically over the years. Love to hear tales of California
still having lots of old friends and family there.

Lynda wrote:

> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
>
> What's know as "behind the Redwood Curtain," Humboldt County in California,
> to be exact. But, I have lived in other areas of Northern CA and never
> experienced the stuff that was being talked about, from San Francisco up.
>
> I also didn't experience problems with ps when I was a kid other than
> reverse discrimination when I was in K-2. I went to the largest school in
> the U.S. at that time, in the ghetto (projects built for ex-military right
> after WWII and Korean wars) and the school population was over 70% black.
> I looked Hispanic (am NA) and was called a "spic," "greaser," and "wetback"
> by kids in "K" no less. Racism starts young! The "white" kids were called
> "honkies," "trailer trash," and a few other choice names. The teachers
> came down on the behavior strongly but there's not much they can do about
> what is taught at home.
>
> Lynda
>
> ----------
>
> > From: "Carolyn Talarr" <talarr@...>
> >
> > we
> > >live in a great area.
> >
> >
> > I'll say! What an amazing situation you're in!
> >
> > Do you mind if I ask in a very general way where you live?
> >
> >
> > Carolyn, near Raleigh NC
> >
> > > Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> > Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com
>
> > Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com

--
best wishes
Joel

For a wonderful gift possibility and to support a great cause check out:
http://www.naturalchild.com/calendar_pictures.html

All children behave as well as they are treated. The Natural Child
Project http://naturalchild.com/home/

Lynda

Lived in Sonoma County for years. I know that all the Republicans had AVA
black listed. I accidentally (and boy were their bloomers in a twist) got
a copy of their approved newspaper, tv and radio station list for CA a
couple of years ago. And being the naughty Berkeley and Alcatraz alumni
that I am, sent copies to all those that they black listed <g>

And, if you are familiar with the East Bay, the grammar school was in
Richmond, just a hop, skip and a jump from the main drag coming off the
Richmond/San Rafael bridge.

Lynda

----------

> From: Joel Hawthorne <jhawthorne@...>
>
> I was raised in Oroville, Ca. Butte County. Orange county north. John
Birch
> Society, Minutemen, et. al. Racially motivated murders etc. Have lived
in
> Sacramento, S.F. Daly City, Elk near Mendicino, Santa Cruz. I've
traveled over
> much of N. California. It is an interesting mix of places, politics and
people.
> Has anyone ever read the The Anderson Valley Advertiser? It is a radical
rag
> which I enjoyed episodically over the years. Love to hear tales of
California
> still having lots of old friends and family there.
>
> Lynda wrote:
>
> > From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> >
> > What's know as "behind the Redwood Curtain," Humboldt County in
California,
> > to be exact. But, I have lived in other areas of Northern CA and never
> > experienced the stuff that was being talked about, from San Francisco
up.
> >
> > I also didn't experience problems with ps when I was a kid other than
> > reverse discrimination when I was in K-2. I went to the largest school
in
> > the U.S. at that time, in the ghetto (projects built for ex-military
right
> > after WWII and Korean wars) and the school population was over 70%
black.
> > I looked Hispanic (am NA) and was called a "spic," "greaser," and
"wetback"
> > by kids in "K" no less. Racism starts young! The "white" kids were
called
> > "honkies," "trailer trash," and a few other choice names. The teachers
> > came down on the behavior strongly but there's not much they can do
about
> > what is taught at home.
> >
> > Lynda
> >
> > ----------
> >
> > > From: "Carolyn Talarr" <talarr@...>
> > >
> > > we
> > > >live in a great area.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll say! What an amazing situation you're in!
> > >
> > > Do you mind if I ask in a very general way where you live?
> > >
> > >
> > > Carolyn, near Raleigh NC
> > >
> > > > Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> > > Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com
> >
> > > Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> > Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com
>
> --
> best wishes
> Joel
>
> For a wonderful gift possibility and to support a great cause check out:
> http://www.naturalchild.com/calendar_pictures.html
>
> All children behave as well as they are treated. The Natural Child
> Project http://naturalchild.com/home/
>
> > Message boards, timely articles, a free newsletter and more!
> Check it all out at: http://www.unschooling.com

Joel Hawthorne

I love blasts from the past. I remember the Richmond/San Rafael bridge from
going to Corte Madera to visit my brother when he was in a hospital there for
three months with 3rd degree burns from a gasoline fire. (He was stealing gas
and decided to smoke a cigarette.) I was about 12 at the time. I used to
hitchhike a lot from SF to points north. Wound up on University Ave a lot.(not
when I was 12). I probably should just send these nostalgic ramblings
privately. ....Hey do you listen to Ray Taliafero on KGO. I've listened to him
since he started there. He goes completely nuts occasionally but mostly he is
right on the money.


best wishes
Joel

For a wonderful gift possibility and to support a great cause check out:
http://www.naturalchild.com/calendar_pictures.html

All children behave as well as they are treated. The Natural Child
Project http://naturalchild.com/home/

Lynda

We are a music family--guitars, keyboards, bass, violin, sax, piano. When
we have anything on it is the CD player stacked with that day's fancy.

And, speaking of music, we've found it to be a great tool in getting the
kidlets interested in different things. Music covers the whole
spectrum--math, reading, history. Does anyone else use it??

Lynda

----------
> From: Joel Hawthorne <jhawthorne@...>
>
> I love blasts from the past. I remember the Richmond/San Rafael bridge
from
> going to Corte Madera to visit my brother when he was in a hospital there
for
> three months with 3rd degree burns from a gasoline fire. (He was stealing
gas
> and decided to smoke a cigarette.) I was about 12 at the time. I used
to
> hitchhike a lot from SF to points north. Wound up on University Ave a
lot.(not
> when I was 12). I probably should just send these nostalgic ramblings
> privately. ....Hey do you listen to Ray Taliafero on KGO. I've listened
to him
> since he started there. He goes completely nuts occasionally but mostly
he is
> right on the money.
>
>
> best wishes
> Joel

David Albert

Lynda wrote:

> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
>
> We are a music family--guitars, keyboards, bass, violin, sax, piano.
> When
> we have anything on it is the CD player stacked with that day's fancy.
>
> And, speaking of music, we've found it to be a great tool in getting
> the
> kidlets interested in different things. Music covers the whole
> spectrum--math, reading, history. Does anyone else use it??

One of the talks I have been giving around my book is called "Learning
About Learning: Conversations with My Violin". It is about how when
learning anything, really, there are five internal conversations which
take place (and i use the violin as an example): with nature and the
physical world, with the past and history, with the present and the
social order and current custom, with the future, and with oneself (or
with the divine). So yes, we use music this way, only more deeply,
because math, reading, and history doesn't cover the half of it.

David Albert



--
Anthony Manousos calls "And the Skylark Sings with Me: Adventures in
Homeschooling and Community-Based Education" "a joyous celebration of
the creative potential in every child." To read a sample chapter,
reviewers' comments, or the foreword, and for ordering info., visit my
website at http://www.skylarksings.com

[email protected]

After hearing David speak here in Tri-Cities, one of our group's children
had a "conversation with the future" related to taxidermy and veterinary
science. It really can be applied to any subject.

> > And, speaking of music, we've found it to be a great tool in
> getting the kidlets interested in different things. Music covers the
whole
> > spectrum--math, reading, history. Does anyone else use it??
> >>>>>>>>>>
> One of the talks I have been giving around my book is called
> "Learning
> About Learning: Conversations with My Violin". It is about how when
> learning anything, really, there are five internal conversations
> which
> take place (and i use the violin as an example): with nature and the
> physical world, with the past and history, with the present and the
> social order and current custom, with the future, and with oneself
> (or
> with the divine). So yes, we use music this way, only more deeply,
> because math, reading, and history doesn't cover the half of it.
>
> David Albert
> at http://www.skylarksings.com
>
Mary Ellen
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but just look at what they can do
when they stick together.

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In a message dated 11/28/99 3:55:16 PM EST, shantinik@... writes:

<< So yes, we use music this way, only more deeply,
because math, reading, and history doesn't cover the half of it. >>
David,
Tell me more of how you use music. My boys take keyboard and guitar, we are
very involved in the music school, and I use their practice, theory, band and
lessons as part of our course of study.
Teresa

David Albert

Hsmotgo@... wrote:

> From: Hsmotgo@...
>
> In a message dated 11/28/99 3:55:16 PM EST, shantinik@...
> writes:
>
> << So yes, we use music this way, only more deeply,
> because math, reading, and history doesn't cover the half of it. >>
> David,
> Tell me more of how you use music. My boys take keyboard and guitar,
> we are
> very involved in the music school, and I use their practice, theory,
> band and
> lessons as part of our course of study.
> Teresa

Dear Teresa --

My book has no fewer than four chapters on our musical adventures (my
older one started playing the violin at 23 months, and is a composer,
and my younger one is a very gifted pianist) -- and I'd be happy to
e-mail you some sample chapters offline. But we don't use music as a
"course of study". Rather in the course of studying music (or anything
else for that matter), specific questions raise their head, in the five
"conversations" I spoke about in the last e-mail. This learning process
is messy, and doesn't organize itself until the final conversation (the
conversation with oneself) -- so it is not so much a course of study, as
an orientation toward the world.

The point is that we don't "use" music. The kids do -- we are just there
to facilitate the learning process.

David
--
Anthony Manousos calls "And the Skylark Sings with Me: Adventures in
Homeschooling and Community-Based Education" "a joyous celebration of
the creative potential in every child." To read a sample chapter,
reviewers' comments, or the foreword, and for ordering info., visit my
website at http://www.skylarksings.com

Lynda

I have a violin that my great uncle made in about 1890 (I don't remember
the exact date). This sits in a place of honor on top the ol' player piano
we have. It has lead the kidlets down many roads and they still all like
hearing about its origins, about how my great grandfather "imported" a
tutor who had trained in Europe and ordered a Strad knock off (one done by
a pupil of a pupil of Strad). They follow its history (and our family
history) to present day because some of his violins, violas and cellos are
being played by folks in the Boston Pops and the Philharmonic. Which leads
them to listening to classical music and then they take another turn to
Irish dancing and the trail goes on. All because of one violin.

Well, long winded, when what I meant to say was that it was so weird that
you should use a violin when that has lead the kidlets on so many learning
adventures.

Lynda

----------
From: David Albert <shantinik@...>
>

> One of the talks I have been giving around my book is called "Learning
> About Learning: Conversations with My Violin". It is about how when
> learning anything, really, there are five internal conversations which
> take place (and i use the violin as an example): with nature and the
> physical world, with the past and history, with the present and the
> social order and current custom, with the future, and with oneself (or
> with the divine). So yes, we use music this way, only more deeply,
> because math, reading, and history doesn't cover the half of it.
>
> David Albert