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In a message dated 10/20/02 5:37:57 AM, [email protected]
writes:

<< So each genuine Christian knows in her/his
heart that s/he has encountered the risen Jesus and has been forgiven
from all wrongdoing forever. >>

That's fine - but that person is not a Jew.

<<Regarding Jews who have converted to Christianity, I think they know,
better than anyone, whether they have a new relationship with God.
It seems to me that those who study Judaism exclusively, however
intensely, do not have the experience to criticize the converts. >>

To say someone is not Jewish is not criticizing them. I know some Jews for
Jesus and they tell people they are Jewish - but they're not. I don't correct
them, nor do I really care what their religious beliefs are, but if I had to,
I would say they are not Jews. It's just like people who say they are
unschoolers, except for math.

Paula, also Jewish.

Rachel Ann

LOL...

great analogy!

To say someone is not Jewish is not criticizing them. I know some Jews for
Jesus and they tell people they are Jewish - but they're not. I don't correct
them, nor do I really care what their religious beliefs are, but if I had to,
I would say they are not Jews. It's just like people who say they are
unschoolers, except for math.

Paula, also Jewish.


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Mike Ebbers

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., sjogy@a... wrote:
> That's fine - but that person is not a Jew. To say someone is not
>Jewish is not criticizing them. I know some Jews for Jesus and they
>tell people they are Jewish - but they're not.

This point, that Jews who have converted to Christianity are
not "Jews", is well taken. Their religious beliefs now come from
Christianity, not Judaism.

I don't think anyone was intending to state that a person can embrace
Judaism and Christianity all at the same time. I believe the
misunderstanding comes from the possible definitions of Jew:
religious and ethnic. An ethnic Jew (genetically speaking, born of a
ethnically Jewish mother) who has converted to Christianity is still
an ethnic Jew, right?

So my understanding of the phrases "converted Jew" or "completed Jew"
is that they refer to ethnic Jews who are born-again Christians (from
a religious standpoint).

I don't know what Jews believe about being chosen, but Christians
believe that ethnic Jews are a race that was/is chosen by God
(Deuteronomy 7:6). We also believe that when some Jews decided not
to follow him or to believe that Jesus is the messiah, he added
Christian believers to his chosen people (I Peter 2:9-10 and
others). This is why Christians have (or should have) high respect
for the traditions of Judaism.

Mike