Evolution?? Nah!
Deborah Lewis
Pterodactyl? <g>
Deb L.
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Southwest Alaskans say bird is the size of a small plane
Wednesday, October 16, 2002
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
ANCHORAGE -- Reports of a giant winged creature seen in Southwest Alaska
in
recent weeks have biolgists and residents puzzled.
Villagers in Togiak and Manokotak say the huge bird has a wingspan of
about
14-feet -- the size of a small plane -- and is much bigger than anything
they have seen before.
Scientists aren't sure what to make of the reports. No one doubts that
people in the region west of Dillingham have seen a very large raptorlike
bird. But biologists and other people familiar with big Alaska birds say
they're skeptical it's that big.
A recent sighting of the mystery bird occurred last Thursday morning when
Moses Coupchiak, a 43-year-old heavy equipment operator from Togiak, 40
miles west of Manokotak, saw the bird flying toward him from about two
miles
away as he worked his tractor.
"At first I thought it was one of those old-time Otter planes," Coupchiak
said. "Instead of continuing toward me, it banked to the left, and that's
when I noticed it wasn't a plane."
The bird was "something huge," he said. "The wing looks a little wider
than
the Otter's, maybe as long as the Otter plane."
The bird flew behind a hill and disappeared. Coupchiak got on the radio
and
warned people in Togiak to tell their children to stay away.
Pilot John Bouker said he was highly skeptical of reports of "this great
big
eagle" that is two or three times the size of a bald eagle. "I didn't put
any thought into it."
But early this week while flying into Manokotak, Bouker, owner of Bristol
Bay Air Service, looked out his left window and 1,000 feet away, saw a
very
big bird.
"The people in the plane all saw him," Bouker said. "He's huge, he's
huge,
he's really, really big. You wouldn't want to have your children out,"
Bouker said.
Raptor specialist Phil Schemf in Juneau is skeptical of the size.
"I'm certainly not aware of anything with a 14-foot wingspan that's been
alive for the last 100,000 years," Schemf said.
Schemf, other biologists, a village police officer and teachers at the
Manokotak School said the sightings could be of a Steller's sea eagle, a
species native to northeast Asia and one of the world's largest eagles.
It's
about 50 percent bigger than a bald eagle.
The Steller's eagle has occasionally shown up in the Pribilof Islands, on
the Aleutian chain and on Kodiak.
A bird known to be a Steller's sea eagle has been spotted three times
since
May and in August of last year, 40 miles up the Nushagak River from
Dillingham, according to Rob MacDonald of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife
Service.
Another Steller's eagle took up residence on the Taku River south of
Juneau
for 10 summers starting in the late 1980s, Schemf said.
The fish-eating Steller's sea eagle can weigh 20 pounds and have a
wingspan
of up to 8 feet. It has a distinctive and impressive appearance, Schemf
said, with a pronounced yellow beak, a black or dark brown body and large
white shoulder patches.
Deb L.
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SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/91426_largebird16ww.shtml
Southwest Alaskans say bird is the size of a small plane
Wednesday, October 16, 2002
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
ANCHORAGE -- Reports of a giant winged creature seen in Southwest Alaska
in
recent weeks have biolgists and residents puzzled.
Villagers in Togiak and Manokotak say the huge bird has a wingspan of
about
14-feet -- the size of a small plane -- and is much bigger than anything
they have seen before.
Scientists aren't sure what to make of the reports. No one doubts that
people in the region west of Dillingham have seen a very large raptorlike
bird. But biologists and other people familiar with big Alaska birds say
they're skeptical it's that big.
A recent sighting of the mystery bird occurred last Thursday morning when
Moses Coupchiak, a 43-year-old heavy equipment operator from Togiak, 40
miles west of Manokotak, saw the bird flying toward him from about two
miles
away as he worked his tractor.
"At first I thought it was one of those old-time Otter planes," Coupchiak
said. "Instead of continuing toward me, it banked to the left, and that's
when I noticed it wasn't a plane."
The bird was "something huge," he said. "The wing looks a little wider
than
the Otter's, maybe as long as the Otter plane."
The bird flew behind a hill and disappeared. Coupchiak got on the radio
and
warned people in Togiak to tell their children to stay away.
Pilot John Bouker said he was highly skeptical of reports of "this great
big
eagle" that is two or three times the size of a bald eagle. "I didn't put
any thought into it."
But early this week while flying into Manokotak, Bouker, owner of Bristol
Bay Air Service, looked out his left window and 1,000 feet away, saw a
very
big bird.
"The people in the plane all saw him," Bouker said. "He's huge, he's
huge,
he's really, really big. You wouldn't want to have your children out,"
Bouker said.
Raptor specialist Phil Schemf in Juneau is skeptical of the size.
"I'm certainly not aware of anything with a 14-foot wingspan that's been
alive for the last 100,000 years," Schemf said.
Schemf, other biologists, a village police officer and teachers at the
Manokotak School said the sightings could be of a Steller's sea eagle, a
species native to northeast Asia and one of the world's largest eagles.
It's
about 50 percent bigger than a bald eagle.
The Steller's eagle has occasionally shown up in the Pribilof Islands, on
the Aleutian chain and on Kodiak.
A bird known to be a Steller's sea eagle has been spotted three times
since
May and in August of last year, 40 miles up the Nushagak River from
Dillingham, according to Rob MacDonald of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife
Service.
Another Steller's eagle took up residence on the Taku River south of
Juneau
for 10 summers starting in the late 1980s, Schemf said.
The fish-eating Steller's sea eagle can weigh 20 pounds and have a
wingspan
of up to 8 feet. It has a distinctive and impressive appearance, Schemf
said, with a pronounced yellow beak, a black or dark brown body and large
white shoulder patches.
Mike Ebbers
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Deborah Lewis <ddzimlew@j...> wrote:
that still exist, such as this bird and the coelacanth.
http://www.dinofish.com/
There have been reports of dinosaur sightings, like this one:
http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm281154.html
Beats me if they are true, but a creationist can understand them
easier than an evolutionist can.
Non-believers in evolution likewise enjoy these discoveries because
they believe that all species were created concurrently. That is
there was/is adaptation by natural selection within species but no
evolution between species.
Mike
Has read about this bird and other stories before
> Pterodactyl? <g>Agreed. Young-earthers love to read about "prehistoric" organisms
> Deb L.
> -------------------------------------
> SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/91426_largebird16ww.shtml
> Southwest Alaskans say bird is the size of a small plane
> Wednesday, October 16, 2002
> ANCHORAGE -- Reports of a giant winged creature seen in Southwest
>Alaska in recent weeks have biolgists and residents puzzled.
that still exist, such as this bird and the coelacanth.
http://www.dinofish.com/
There have been reports of dinosaur sightings, like this one:
http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm281154.html
Beats me if they are true, but a creationist can understand them
easier than an evolutionist can.
Non-believers in evolution likewise enjoy these discoveries because
they believe that all species were created concurrently. That is
there was/is adaptation by natural selection within species but no
evolution between species.
Mike
Has read about this bird and other stories before
Rachel Ann
Ah dang!
I was hoping for a aptasaurous as a pet.
Now you've gone and spoiled my illusions... Dinosaurs aren't coming back.
No land of the lost. Pout, pout, pout.
be well,
Rachel Ann, who thinks the size distortion could be due to the relatively few landmarks in the sky, which could distort the size of the bird.
I was hoping for a aptasaurous as a pet.
Now you've gone and spoiled my illusions... Dinosaurs aren't coming back.
No land of the lost. Pout, pout, pout.
be well,
Rachel Ann, who thinks the size distortion could be due to the relatively few landmarks in the sky, which could distort the size of the bird.
----- Original Message -----
From: Deborah Lewis
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:00 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Evolution?? Nah!
Pterodactyl? <g>
Deb L.
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SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/91426_largebird16ww.shtml
Southwest Alaskans say bird is the size of a small plane
Wednesday, October 16, 2002
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
ANCHORAGE -- Reports of a giant winged creature seen in Southwest Alaska
in
recent weeks have biolgists and residents puzzled.
Villagers in Togiak and Manokotak say the huge bird has a wingspan of
about
14-feet -- the size of a small plane -- and is much bigger than anything
they have seen before.
Scientists aren't sure what to make of the reports. No one doubts that
people in the region west of Dillingham have seen a very large raptorlike
bird. But biologists and other people familiar with big Alaska birds say
they're skeptical it's that big.
A recent sighting of the mystery bird occurred last Thursday morning when
Moses Coupchiak, a 43-year-old heavy equipment operator from Togiak, 40
miles west of Manokotak, saw the bird flying toward him from about two
miles
away as he worked his tractor.
"At first I thought it was one of those old-time Otter planes," Coupchiak
said. "Instead of continuing toward me, it banked to the left, and that's
when I noticed it wasn't a plane."
The bird was "something huge," he said. "The wing looks a little wider
than
the Otter's, maybe as long as the Otter plane."
The bird flew behind a hill and disappeared. Coupchiak got on the radio
and
warned people in Togiak to tell their children to stay away.
Pilot John Bouker said he was highly skeptical of reports of "this great
big
eagle" that is two or three times the size of a bald eagle. "I didn't put
any thought into it."
But early this week while flying into Manokotak, Bouker, owner of Bristol
Bay Air Service, looked out his left window and 1,000 feet away, saw a
very
big bird.
"The people in the plane all saw him," Bouker said. "He's huge, he's
huge,
he's really, really big. You wouldn't want to have your children out,"
Bouker said.
Raptor specialist Phil Schemf in Juneau is skeptical of the size.
"I'm certainly not aware of anything with a 14-foot wingspan that's been
alive for the last 100,000 years," Schemf said.
Schemf, other biologists, a village police officer and teachers at the
Manokotak School said the sightings could be of a Steller's sea eagle, a
species native to northeast Asia and one of the world's largest eagles.
It's
about 50 percent bigger than a bald eagle.
The Steller's eagle has occasionally shown up in the Pribilof Islands, on
the Aleutian chain and on Kodiak.
A bird known to be a Steller's sea eagle has been spotted three times
since
May and in August of last year, 40 miles up the Nushagak River from
Dillingham, according to Rob MacDonald of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife
Service.
Another Steller's eagle took up residence on the Taku River south of
Juneau
for 10 summers starting in the late 1980s, Schemf said.
The fish-eating Steller's sea eagle can weigh 20 pounds and have a
wingspan
of up to 8 feet. It has a distinctive and impressive appearance, Schemf
said, with a pronounced yellow beak, a black or dark brown body and large
white shoulder patches.
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> > Pterodactyl? <g>It's not really a pterodactyl, Mike.
> > Deb L.
> Agreed. Young-earthers love to read about "prehistoric" organisms
> that still exist, such as this bird and the coelacanth.
I had the great good fortune of seeing a Steller's Sea eagle when I lived
in Alaska. I hope someone get's a picture, and can determine the real
size. Steller's are huge birds, I might snatch up my baby if one was
passing overhead.<g> If this is a Steller's and it really is that big,
wow!
Deb L, who didn't want Mike to have to look for a bunch of URL's that say
god created pterodactyls.<g>
Deborah Lewis
HA! My son say's if "they" are going to be messing with cloning and
genetics, why doesn't someone get sensible and make cat and dog sized
dinosaurs for pets. Can you imagine the market? No more Rottweilers for
mean, tough drug dealers, just one nasty little T-Rex. Chomp.
That eccentric old woman with 50 cat's that I intend to become might be
something else entirely.
He doesn't really mean it. But what a thought.
Deb L, who has two dogs on the sofa now and doesn't even want to THINK
about where an apatasaurous would sleep...
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:44:13 -0400 Rachel Ann <hindar@...>
writes:
genetics, why doesn't someone get sensible and make cat and dog sized
dinosaurs for pets. Can you imagine the market? No more Rottweilers for
mean, tough drug dealers, just one nasty little T-Rex. Chomp.
That eccentric old woman with 50 cat's that I intend to become might be
something else entirely.
He doesn't really mean it. But what a thought.
Deb L, who has two dogs on the sofa now and doesn't even want to THINK
about where an apatasaurous would sleep...
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:44:13 -0400 Rachel Ann <hindar@...>
writes:
> Ah dang!
>
> I was hoping for a aptasaurous as a pet.
>
> Now you've gone and spoiled my illusions... Dinosaurs aren't coming
> back.
> No land of the lost. Pout, pout, pout.
Kelli Traaseth
Can't you see a little chomper running around the house, just think a walking composter! Although it would have to be trained and I don't know if their brains could wrap around that concept. And also I suppose pet cats and dogs would turn into some nice snacks for them. Ewwww.
How about crossing a Lab/Retreiver with a T-rex. I can see it!<g>
Kelli, thinking that our pet guinea pig sounds very easy right now!
Deborah Lewis <ddzimlew@...> wrote:HA! My son say's if "they" are going to be messing with cloning and
genetics, why doesn't someone get sensible and make cat and dog sized
dinosaurs for pets. Can you imagine the market? No more Rottweilers for
mean, tough drug dealers, just one nasty little T-Rex. Chomp.
That eccentric old woman with 50 cat's that I intend to become might be
something else entirely.
He doesn't really mean it. But what a thought.
Deb L, who has two dogs on the sofa now and doesn't even want to THINK
about where an apatasaurous would sleep...
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:44:13 -0400 Rachel Ann <hindar@...>
writes:
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How about crossing a Lab/Retreiver with a T-rex. I can see it!<g>
Kelli, thinking that our pet guinea pig sounds very easy right now!
Deborah Lewis <ddzimlew@...> wrote:HA! My son say's if "they" are going to be messing with cloning and
genetics, why doesn't someone get sensible and make cat and dog sized
dinosaurs for pets. Can you imagine the market? No more Rottweilers for
mean, tough drug dealers, just one nasty little T-Rex. Chomp.
That eccentric old woman with 50 cat's that I intend to become might be
something else entirely.
He doesn't really mean it. But what a thought.
Deb L, who has two dogs on the sofa now and doesn't even want to THINK
about where an apatasaurous would sleep...
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:44:13 -0400 Rachel Ann <hindar@...>
writes:
> Ah dang!Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT
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> I was hoping for a aptasaurous as a pet.
>
> Now you've gone and spoiled my illusions... Dinosaurs aren't coming
> back.
> No land of the lost. Pout, pout, pout.
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Mike
who (with his wife) is taking his kids to see our state assemblyman
this morning (so he doesn't mind not having to search for URLs)
P.S. If anyone reading this is into prayer, please pray for a new NY
state hs law; ours is the most burdensome in the nation
> Deb L, who didn't want Mike to have to look for a bunch of URL'sWhew, that was a close one!
>that say god created pterodactyls.<g>
Mike
who (with his wife) is taking his kids to see our state assemblyman
this morning (so he doesn't mind not having to search for URLs)
P.S. If anyone reading this is into prayer, please pray for a new NY
state hs law; ours is the most burdensome in the nation
Rachel Ann
LOL...
I'm trying to imagine all those cute but deadly ones from Jurassic park. You know, the ones that suddenly got vicious. What was their name?
Actually started a head story like that...suddenly everywhere dinosaurs and other lost creatures and plants, began appearing everywhere. Neaderthal, Australopithecus afarensis, the Dodo and passenger pigeon. Wooly mammouths and those not so friendly dolphins of the past....
With no warning a towering tree would appear where once stood a home...
anyway...sounds like an interesting bird...
I'm trying to imagine all those cute but deadly ones from Jurassic park. You know, the ones that suddenly got vicious. What was their name?
Actually started a head story like that...suddenly everywhere dinosaurs and other lost creatures and plants, began appearing everywhere. Neaderthal, Australopithecus afarensis, the Dodo and passenger pigeon. Wooly mammouths and those not so friendly dolphins of the past....
With no warning a towering tree would appear where once stood a home...
anyway...sounds like an interesting bird...
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelli Traaseth
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Evolution?? Nah!
Can't you see a little chomper running around the house, just think a walking composter! Although it would have to be trained and I don't know if their brains could wrap around that concept. And also I suppose pet cats and dogs would turn into some nice snacks for them. Ewwww.
How about crossing a Lab/Retreiver with a T-rex. I can see it!<g>
Kelli, thinking that our pet guinea pig sounds very easy right now!
Deborah Lewis <ddzimlew@...> wrote:HA! My son say's if "they" are going to be messing with cloning and
genetics, why doesn't someone get sensible and make cat and dog sized
dinosaurs for pets. Can you imagine the market? No more Rottweilers for
mean, tough drug dealers, just one nasty little T-Rex. Chomp.
That eccentric old woman with 50 cat's that I intend to become might be
something else entirely.
He doesn't really mean it. But what a thought.
Deb L, who has two dogs on the sofa now and doesn't even want to THINK
about where an apatasaurous would sleep...
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:44:13 -0400 Rachel Ann <hindar@...>
writes:
> Ah dang!
>
> I was hoping for a aptasaurous as a pet.
>
> Now you've gone and spoiled my illusions... Dinosaurs aren't coming
> back.
> No land of the lost. Pout, pout, pout.
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Kelli Traaseth
Isn't Dinotopia supposed to be a series on TV now?
I am so out of touch with TV. I better find that one out, my son loves those books!
Kelli
Rachel Ann <hindar@...> wrote:LOL...
I'm trying to imagine all those cute but deadly ones from Jurassic park. You know, the ones that suddenly got vicious. What was their name?
Actually started a head story like that...suddenly everywhere dinosaurs and other lost creatures and plants, began appearing everywhere. Neaderthal, Australopithecus afarensis, the Dodo and passenger pigeon. Wooly mammouths and those not so friendly dolphins of the past....
With no warning a towering tree would appear where once stood a home...
anyway...sounds like an interesting bird...
I am so out of touch with TV. I better find that one out, my son loves those books!
Kelli
Rachel Ann <hindar@...> wrote:LOL...
I'm trying to imagine all those cute but deadly ones from Jurassic park. You know, the ones that suddenly got vicious. What was their name?
Actually started a head story like that...suddenly everywhere dinosaurs and other lost creatures and plants, began appearing everywhere. Neaderthal, Australopithecus afarensis, the Dodo and passenger pigeon. Wooly mammouths and those not so friendly dolphins of the past....
With no warning a towering tree would appear where once stood a home...
anyway...sounds like an interesting bird...
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelli Traaseth
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Evolution?? Nah!
Can't you see a little chomper running around the house, just think a walking composter! Although it would have to be trained and I don't know if their brains could wrap around that concept. And also I suppose pet cats and dogs would turn into some nice snacks for them. Ewwww.
How about crossing a Lab/Retreiver with a T-rex. I can see it!<g>
Kelli, thinking that our pet guinea pig sounds very easy right now!
Deborah Lewis <ddzimlew@...> wrote:HA! My son say's if "they" are going to be messing with cloning and
genetics, why doesn't someone get sensible and make cat and dog sized
dinosaurs for pets. Can you imagine the market? No more Rottweilers for
mean, tough drug dealers, just one nasty little T-Rex. Chomp.
That eccentric old woman with 50 cat's that I intend to become might be
something else entirely.
He doesn't really mean it. But what a thought.
Deb L, who has two dogs on the sofa now and doesn't even want to THINK
about where an apatasaurous would sleep...
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:44:13 -0400 Rachel Ann <hindar@...>
writes:
> Ah dang!
>
> I was hoping for a aptasaurous as a pet.
>
> Now you've gone and spoiled my illusions... Dinosaurs aren't coming
> back.
> No land of the lost. Pout, pout, pout.
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On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:24:33 -0400 Rachel Ann <hindar@...>
writes:
Deb L
writes:
> LOL...Tim and Lex? <snort>
>
> I'm trying to imagine all those cute but deadly ones from Jurassic
> park. You know, the ones that suddenly got vicious. What was their
> name?
Deb L