Rachel Ann

Do you actually want an answer? Do you actually believe that those who are religious haven't thought of these questions themselves? That religious people have just sat there, impassively, allowing words and thoughts to come in without resopnse?

I think that is what aggrevates me...I understand a truth request for information. What I don't understand is the attitude of those who seem to imply that those who accept the bible have somehow lost their brains and given no thought to the matter.

Perhaps I am in a cloud. Judaism has always encouraged questioning and thought and don't accept this lightly. From the time I was young we were encouraged to seek and understanding, not just accept a belief, about what we were learning, and I at least, was never put off by my teachers when I asked an honest question.

So what gives?

be well,
Rachel Ann
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From: kayb85
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:53 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: bible questions



> Just the logistics of gathering and loading every species into an
ark
> would make it impossible, IMO. Most only live in certain
habitats, so
> they'd either have to walk or fly to the ark, or the ark would
have to
> make a pretty long trip picking them up.

They didn't live in different habitats before the flood. The
atmospheric conditions were much different before the water cycle
began than it is now.

Then there's the sheer number of
> different species.There are hundreds of different species of small
> grayish moths. There are hundreds of thousands of different
species of
> beetles. If they didn't evolve, they would have all had to be on
the
> ark...

Probably what some would call micro evolution occurred. He probably
had 2 of the same kind (genus) of every animal, and different species
occurred after the flood. Some animals he was commanded to bring 7
of too.

Micro evolution is just different genes being dispersed to offspring
in different combinations rather than one type of animal turning into
a completely different type of animal (macro evolution)

Sheila


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My conclusion after many years of seeing what seemed like outright
disrespect of those who take a literal belief in the Bible is that most
folks don't even know how they sound. For some it's easier to quiet
their own doubts to assume that we shut off our brains in order to accept
the Bible.

Since I was, at one time, on the other side of the fence and did my share
of scoffing I get a better picture of why it happens. Faith, even in
nothing, is hard and often disquieting. Sometimes scoffing or jokes are
just outward coping mechanisms.

Kris

On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:17:18 -0400 Rachel Ann <hindar@...>
writes:
> Do you actually want an answer? Do you actually believe that those
> who are religious haven't thought of these questions themselves?
> That religious people have just sat there, impassively, allowing
> words and thoughts to come in without resopnse?
>
> I think that is what aggrevates me...I understand a truth request
> for information. What I don't understand is the attitude of those
> who seem to imply that those who accept the bible have somehow lost
> their brains and given no thought to the matter.
>
> Perhaps I am in a cloud. Judaism has always encouraged questioning
> and thought and don't accept this lightly. From the time I was
> young we were encouraged to seek and understanding, not just accept
> a belief, about what we were learning, and I at least, was never put
> off by my teachers when I asked an honest question.
>
> So what gives?
>
> be well,
> Rachel Ann

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> Do you actually want an answer? Do you actually believe that those who
are religious haven't thought of these questions themselves? That religious
people have just sat there, impassively, allowing words and thoughts to come
in without resopnse?

I've met a few like that, but obviously you aren't one of them.
Tia

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On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:17:18 -0400 Rachel Ann <hindar@...>
writes:
> Do you actually want an answer? Do you actually believe that those
> who are religious haven't thought of these questions themselves?


Well... since I was raised Catholic, and many of my questions at Catholic
school were answered with statements like, "If you had asked that 500
years ago you would have been burned at the stake as a heretic", it's
pretty clear to me that at least some religious people don't ask
questions. The important thing, the way I was taught, was to have faith,
and questioning displayed a lack of faith.

And I have learned from this thread - I've learned that some bible
literalists believe that some evolution did happen - Sheila wrote:

>> Micro evolution is just different genes being dispersed to offspring
in different combinations rather than one type of animal turning into
a completely different type of animal (macro evolution)<<

But neither of these is actually evolution of any sort - different genes
being dispersed to offspring is simply normal variation, it doesn't
explain how you get a new species (You said he brought two of every
genus). Neanderthal man and modern humans were in the same genus, as are
a lot of animals that look very different.

And evolution isn't about an animal turning into a different kind of
animal at all, that's not how it works.

Sheila also wrote:
>>>They didn't live in different habitats before the flood. The
atmospheric conditions were much different before the water cycle
began than it is now. <<<

Is there evidence of this? The atmospheric conditions arebased on things
like distance from the sun, and that hasn't changed. And if animals
didn't live in different habitats, what habitat did they all live in?
They *need* different habitats, you couldn't put a polar bear and a
howler monkey and a gila monster and an alligator all in the same
habitat, 3 of them wouldn't make it - and if they lived in the same
habitat they would look and *be* different, they would be fit to live in
that habitat.

Dar