bible questions
Mary Bianco
>From: "kayb85" <sheran@...><<My dad is a retired biology teacher and a creationist. He hands down
all his Ex Nihilo magazines to me. I always have my hands on good
creation literature to enjoy.
I know what you mean about not getting good answers about Bible
questions. Some people just seem to not want to really think things
through or ever consider anything that would allow anyone to label
them heretical.>>
Okay so is creationism believing in the bible? I'm not sure if that's even
the right word, is it? Religion isn't my forte. So those who believe the
bible as what is absolute, do they believe in dinosaurs and
prehistoric man? If so, how does that fit in with the bible. If not, do they
just not believe fossils?
Mary B
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***So those who believe the
bible as what is absolute, do they believe in dinosaurs and
prehistoric man? If so, how does that fit in with the bible. If not, do they
just not believe fossils?***
I've actually heard bible literalists suggest that perhaps a)God planted the fossils to test our faith or b)Satan planted the fossils to turn us away from our faith.
I've also heard it said that perhaps dinosaurs existed at the time of Noah's flood and were wiped out in it, hence the fossils.
It amazes me how far people are willing to stretch their powers of belief to avoid altering their world view.
Patti
bible as what is absolute, do they believe in dinosaurs and
prehistoric man? If so, how does that fit in with the bible. If not, do they
just not believe fossils?***
I've actually heard bible literalists suggest that perhaps a)God planted the fossils to test our faith or b)Satan planted the fossils to turn us away from our faith.
I've also heard it said that perhaps dinosaurs existed at the time of Noah's flood and were wiped out in it, hence the fossils.
It amazes me how far people are willing to stretch their powers of belief to avoid altering their world view.
Patti
kayb85
Creationism is the belief in creation as described in the Bible.
God created dinosaurs on day 6 with the rest of the land animals and
human beings. Creationists believe that dinosaurs existed peacefully
with man for some times. (Death didn't exist before sin, so all
animals had to have been herbivores. Therefore dinosaurs didn't eat
people.) Dinosaurs probably entered the ark with Noah and some of
them became extinct some time after the flood due to changes in food
supply and atmosphere.
Also, many creationists believe that dinosaurs aren't actually
extinct. Before the flood, we had a different kind of atmosphere.
The water cycle as we know it didn't exist until the flood, so the
atmosphere was different-- kind of like a tropical rainforest. The
atmospheric conditions were conducive to animals growing very big. So
reptiles grew really big before the flood. Iguanadon, for example,
was probably just a really big iguana. The word dinosaur actually
just means terrible lizard. So, dinosaurs could have been just real
big lizards.
Fossils were created by the flood. Lots and lots of things buried
under huge amounts of water very quickly. That's why you have sea
animal fossils at the tops of mountains--the flood waters carried
them there.
God created dinosaurs on day 6 with the rest of the land animals and
human beings. Creationists believe that dinosaurs existed peacefully
with man for some times. (Death didn't exist before sin, so all
animals had to have been herbivores. Therefore dinosaurs didn't eat
people.) Dinosaurs probably entered the ark with Noah and some of
them became extinct some time after the flood due to changes in food
supply and atmosphere.
Also, many creationists believe that dinosaurs aren't actually
extinct. Before the flood, we had a different kind of atmosphere.
The water cycle as we know it didn't exist until the flood, so the
atmosphere was different-- kind of like a tropical rainforest. The
atmospheric conditions were conducive to animals growing very big. So
reptiles grew really big before the flood. Iguanadon, for example,
was probably just a really big iguana. The word dinosaur actually
just means terrible lizard. So, dinosaurs could have been just real
big lizards.
Fossils were created by the flood. Lots and lots of things buried
under huge amounts of water very quickly. That's why you have sea
animal fossils at the tops of mountains--the flood waters carried
them there.
> Okay so is creationism believing in the bible? I'm not sure ifthat's even
> the right word, is it? Religion isn't my forte. So those whobelieve the
> bible as what is absolute, do they believe in dinosaurs andnot, do they
> prehistoric man? If so, how does that fit in with the bible. If
> just not believe fossils?
>
> Mary B
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kayb85
I believe that it takes much more of a stretch to believe in the
complex human body and our complex universe coming into existence by
itself from nothing as evolutionism teaches than it takes to believe
that an eternal God lovingly created us.
Sheila
complex human body and our complex universe coming into existence by
itself from nothing as evolutionism teaches than it takes to believe
that an eternal God lovingly created us.
Sheila
> It amazes me how far people are willing to stretch their powers ofbelief to avoid altering their world view.
>
> Patti
Mary Bianco
>From: <patti.schmidt2@...><<I've actually heard bible literalists suggest that perhaps a)God planted
the fossils to test our faith or b)Satan planted the fossils to turn us away
from our faith.
I've also heard it said that perhaps dinosaurs existed at the time of Noah's
flood and were wiped out in it, hence the fossils.>>
Wow. I had never heard that. I am just so curious about the bible, or should
I say people who take it so literally. I'm not judging at all or trying to
cause trouble. I would really like to know how they explain certain things
because I think it will eventually come up with my own kids. I know my
oldest asks me certain things that I can't answer either. And she's also
always gone to private catholic schools. She gets pretty much the same
answers I did growing up. "Just because that's the way it is!"
Doesn't satisfy either one of us. I would really like to know from people
who believe and have the answers.
Mary B
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>From: "kayb85" <sheran@...><<Creationism is the belief in creation as described in the Bible.
God created dinosaurs on day 6 with the rest of the land animals and
human beings. Creationists believe that dinosaurs existed peacefully
with man for some times. (Death didn't exist before sin, so all
animals had to have been herbivores. Therefore dinosaurs didn't eat
people.) Dinosaurs probably entered the ark with Noah and some of
them became extinct some time after the flood due to changes in food
supply and atmosphere.
Also, many creationists believe that dinosaurs aren't actually
extinct. Before the flood, we had a different kind of atmosphere.
The water cycle as we know it didn't exist until the flood, so the
atmosphere was different-- kind of like a tropical rainforest. The
atmospheric conditions were conducive to animals growing very big. So
reptiles grew really big before the flood. Iguanadon, for example,
was probably just a really big iguana. The word dinosaur actually
just means terrible lizard. So, dinosaurs could have been just real
big lizards.
Fossils were created by the flood. Lots and lots of things buried
under huge amounts of water very quickly. That's why you have sea
animal fossils at the tops of mountains--the flood waters carried
them there.>>
I am just so glad I started this thread. <BG> I really am learning a lot.
Can't wait to tell my daughter tomorrow as this is one of the things her and
I discussed and tried to figure out. Thank you.
Mary B
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In a message dated 10/8/02 9:29:08 PM, sheran@... writes:
<< The word dinosaur actually
just means terrible lizard. So, dinosaurs could have been just real
big lizards. >>
But the word "dinosaur" was made from Greek parts, using Latin rules, in the
19th century, and wasn't coined by Adam or God or Noah. Using evolutionary
arguments for childrearing is way better than using linguistic evidence to
support the Bible.
Nineteenth century names for dug-up animals have LOTS to do with evolutionary
theories and nothing to do with the Bible. They're still naming dinosaurs
(and plants, and new species of bugs) with this set of Greco-Latin parts.
It's like tinker-toys of word parts. It's the way philosophical concepts are
named too, like "philosophy" and "anthropology." Few of those words are any
older than the Middle Ages and most were new in the 20th century.
Sandra
Sandra
<< The word dinosaur actually
just means terrible lizard. So, dinosaurs could have been just real
big lizards. >>
But the word "dinosaur" was made from Greek parts, using Latin rules, in the
19th century, and wasn't coined by Adam or God or Noah. Using evolutionary
arguments for childrearing is way better than using linguistic evidence to
support the Bible.
Nineteenth century names for dug-up animals have LOTS to do with evolutionary
theories and nothing to do with the Bible. They're still naming dinosaurs
(and plants, and new species of bugs) with this set of Greco-Latin parts.
It's like tinker-toys of word parts. It's the way philosophical concepts are
named too, like "philosophy" and "anthropology." Few of those words are any
older than the Middle Ages and most were new in the 20th century.
Sandra
Sandra
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In a message dated 10/8/02 9:32:02 PM, sheran@... writes:
<< I believe that it takes much more of a stretch to believe in the
complex human body and our complex universe coming into existence by
itself from nothing as evolutionism teaches than it takes to believe
that an eternal God lovingly created us. >>
So isn't that kind of like looking for money under the streetlight even
though that's not where you lost it?
Just because something's easy to understand doesn't make it more likely to be
true.
I think being good with our kids and friends and being helpful to other
people is important whether our species and planet are old, planted by God,
or scattered by aliens, or figments of someone's imagination. Being good is
better than being bad. Knowing our origins doesn't change that. Beliefs
about origins doesn't change that.
Sandra
<< I believe that it takes much more of a stretch to believe in the
complex human body and our complex universe coming into existence by
itself from nothing as evolutionism teaches than it takes to believe
that an eternal God lovingly created us. >>
So isn't that kind of like looking for money under the streetlight even
though that's not where you lost it?
Just because something's easy to understand doesn't make it more likely to be
true.
I think being good with our kids and friends and being helpful to other
people is important whether our species and planet are old, planted by God,
or scattered by aliens, or figments of someone's imagination. Being good is
better than being bad. Knowing our origins doesn't change that. Beliefs
about origins doesn't change that.
Sandra
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In a message dated 10/8/02 8:45:26 PM, patti.schmidt2@... writes:
<< I've actually heard bible literalists suggest that perhaps a)God planted
the fossils to test our faith or b)Satan planted the fossils to turn us away
from our faith.
I've also heard it said that perhaps dinosaurs existed at the time of Noah's
flood and were wiped out in it, hence the fossils. >>
I've heard those too.
I really like that Satan planted them. Satan gets blamed for everything
inexplicable or bad.
Except by Monty Python. Eric Idle wrote this parody of "All Things Bright
and Beautiful." Their tune isn't the same as the tune common in the U.S.
hymnals I've seen, but it will still fit. The Church of England tune is
really pretty too.
All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom.
He made their horrid wings.
All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.
Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid--
Who made the spikey urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did!
All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.
Amen.
<< I've actually heard bible literalists suggest that perhaps a)God planted
the fossils to test our faith or b)Satan planted the fossils to turn us away
from our faith.
I've also heard it said that perhaps dinosaurs existed at the time of Noah's
flood and were wiped out in it, hence the fossils. >>
I've heard those too.
I really like that Satan planted them. Satan gets blamed for everything
inexplicable or bad.
Except by Monty Python. Eric Idle wrote this parody of "All Things Bright
and Beautiful." Their tune isn't the same as the tune common in the U.S.
hymnals I've seen, but it will still fit. The Church of England tune is
really pretty too.
All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom.
He made their horrid wings.
All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.
Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid--
Who made the spikey urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did!
All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.
Amen.
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***I believe that it takes much more of a stretch to believe in the
complex human body and our complex universe coming into existence by
itself from nothing as evolutionism teaches than it takes to believe
that an eternal God lovingly created us.***
How about just admitting that we don't know?
I'm with Sandra in that it wouldn't change how I live my life/raise my children/make my decisions whether I'm a direct descendent from Adam and Eve or from an ape.
Patti
complex human body and our complex universe coming into existence by
itself from nothing as evolutionism teaches than it takes to believe
that an eternal God lovingly created us.***
How about just admitting that we don't know?
I'm with Sandra in that it wouldn't change how I live my life/raise my children/make my decisions whether I'm a direct descendent from Adam and Eve or from an ape.
Patti
Deborah Lewis
I have a question. Does the recent push by Creationists to *Prove* the
bible's account is true interfere with Faith? Isn't faith supposed to
be difficult? If one is trying to Prove, does that mean ones Faith
isn't strong enough? Because I thought is was ALL about Faith.
Deb L, C14 heathen.
bible's account is true interfere with Faith? Isn't faith supposed to
be difficult? If one is trying to Prove, does that mean ones Faith
isn't strong enough? Because I thought is was ALL about Faith.
Deb L, C14 heathen.
kayb85
You would probably have fun with this site then. It even has a
section to answer questions that kids commonly ask:
http://www.christiananswers.net/
Sheila
section to answer questions that kids commonly ask:
http://www.christiananswers.net/
Sheila
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saying that dinosaurs were very likely just very big lizards.
Sheila
>real
> In a message dated 10/8/02 9:29:08 PM, sheran@p... writes:
>
> << The word dinosaur actually
> just means terrible lizard. So, dinosaurs could have been just
> big lizards. >>rules, in the
>
> But the word "dinosaur" was made from Greek parts, using Latin
> 19th century, and wasn't coined by Adam or God or Noah. Usingevolutionary
> arguments for childrearing is way better than using linguisticevidence to
> support the Bible.I wasn't trying to use linguistics to support the Bible. I was just
saying that dinosaurs were very likely just very big lizards.
Sheila
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What is a "C14 heathen"?
Curiously,
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bible's account is true interfere with Faith? Isn't faith supposed to
be difficult? If one is trying to Prove, does that mean ones Faith
isn't strong enough? Because I thought is was ALL about Faith.
Deb L, C14 heathen.
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> What is a "C14 heathen"?Me. Lame humor, that's all.
Deb L
kayb85
Earlier I posted a link that showed that carbon 14 dating isn't
accurate. The person who joked about being a "C14 heathen" seemed to
be saying that she didn't agree that C14 is inaccurate.
Sheila
accurate. The person who joked about being a "C14 heathen" seemed to
be saying that she didn't agree that C14 is inaccurate.
Sheila
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> 10/09/2002 07:12 AM
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> I have a question. Does the recent push by Creationists to *Prove*
the
> bible's account is true interfere with Faith? Isn't faith
supposed to
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Faith
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>From: Deborah Lewis <ddzimlew@...><<I have a question. Does the recent push by Creationists to *Prove* the
bible's account is true interfere with Faith? Isn't faith supposed to be
difficult? If one is trying to Prove, does that mean ones Faith
isn't strong enough? Because I thought is was ALL about Faith.>>
Good point. This was also one of the answers my daugher got when questioning
the bible or anything to do with the catholic faith in school. That you just
have faith and believe. There always isn't an answer for everything. That
never set well with her either. She wanted some kind of answer to either
disagree with or not.
Mary B
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In a message dated 10/8/02 10:50:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
mummyone24@... writes:
yet to meet someone who not only believes but knows the answers too. I just
can't accept the views of *The devil put the fossils there to throw us off
the right path.* because I don't put much stock in the devil. And I can't
believe that man was once the size of or bigger than dinosaurs because we
would have found huge human bones too. (and I know there were dinosaurs out
there as big as ten elephants put together and I haven't ever seen a human
bigger than that.) I will never believe humans and dinosaurs lived together
because there would be bones and fossils to that proof. If there were, I
would have seen that guy, last night on Discovery, saying something like,
*And here we have ancient man, notice the tooth marks along his thigh bone?
He was ravaged by dinosaurousX here, see how the tooth fits nicely into these
grooves?* and so on...
Don't get me wrong here, I do believe in something higher than me. I just
know that there were Dinosaurs too. And they didn't get on the boat with
Noah.
~Nancy
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mummyone24@... writes:
> "Just because that's the way it is!"If you find one who believes AND has the answers, let me know! Because I have
> Doesn't satisfy either one of us. I would really like to know from people
> who believe and have the answers.
>
> Mary B
yet to meet someone who not only believes but knows the answers too. I just
can't accept the views of *The devil put the fossils there to throw us off
the right path.* because I don't put much stock in the devil. And I can't
believe that man was once the size of or bigger than dinosaurs because we
would have found huge human bones too. (and I know there were dinosaurs out
there as big as ten elephants put together and I haven't ever seen a human
bigger than that.) I will never believe humans and dinosaurs lived together
because there would be bones and fossils to that proof. If there were, I
would have seen that guy, last night on Discovery, saying something like,
*And here we have ancient man, notice the tooth marks along his thigh bone?
He was ravaged by dinosaurousX here, see how the tooth fits nicely into these
grooves?* and so on...
Don't get me wrong here, I do believe in something higher than me. I just
know that there were Dinosaurs too. And they didn't get on the boat with
Noah.
~Nancy
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In a message dated 10/9/02 7:57:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Arkleseizure's nose, waiting in fear for the time of The Coming of the Great
White Handkerchief.
~Nancy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
SandraDodd@... writes:
> I think being good with our kids and friends and being helpful to otherYes! We should all be thankful we weren't sneezed out of a Great Green
> people is important whether our species and planet are old, planted by God,
>
> or scattered by aliens, or figments of someone's imagination. Being good
> is
> better than being bad. Knowing our origins doesn't change that. Beliefs
> about origins doesn't change that.
>
> Sandra
Arkleseizure's nose, waiting in fear for the time of The Coming of the Great
White Handkerchief.
~Nancy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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In a message dated 10/9/02 10:57:06 AM Central Daylight Time,
kevin.tucker@... writes:
~Nance
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
kevin.tucker@... writes:
>I think she is saying that she is a heathen who believes in carbon14 dating.
>
>
> What is a "C14 heathen"?
>
> Curiously,
>
> Kevin
~Nance
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
kayb85
I just
on a boat the size of the ark?
Sheila
> know that there were Dinosaurs too. And they didn't get on the boatwith
> Noah.How do you know? You don't think two little baby dinosaurs could fit
on a boat the size of the ark?
Sheila
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In a message dated 10/9/02 2:44:49 PM, sheran@... writes:
<< How do you know? You don't think two little baby dinosaurs could fit
on a boat the size of the ark? >>
I think the point is that people who accept physical evidence of dinosaurs
don't spend much time speculating on the age or size of animals that Noah is
said to have taken on the ark.
Flooding the whole world when they thought it was a pretty small, flat place
is ONE proposal. Flooding a planet is another whole thing.
Bible literalists are a minority among humans, and even a minority among
Christians. It's worth really knowing that there are millions of Christians
who are happy in their relationship with Jesus who don't take the whole Bible
literally.
And there are millions of people who claim to believe and follow every word
of the Bible as the literal word of God without having even read it.
Sandra
<< How do you know? You don't think two little baby dinosaurs could fit
on a boat the size of the ark? >>
I think the point is that people who accept physical evidence of dinosaurs
don't spend much time speculating on the age or size of animals that Noah is
said to have taken on the ark.
Flooding the whole world when they thought it was a pretty small, flat place
is ONE proposal. Flooding a planet is another whole thing.
Bible literalists are a minority among humans, and even a minority among
Christians. It's worth really knowing that there are millions of Christians
who are happy in their relationship with Jesus who don't take the whole Bible
literally.
And there are millions of people who claim to believe and follow every word
of the Bible as the literal word of God without having even read it.
Sandra
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In a message dated 10/9/02 4:06:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I will never believe humans and dinosaurs lived together
because there would be bones and fossils to that proof. >>
It is my understanding that there are some. Problem is they are not in
abundance, but more of a rarity. Only once or twice found in the history of
fossil excavation.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< I will never believe humans and dinosaurs lived together
because there would be bones and fossils to that proof. >>
It is my understanding that there are some. Problem is they are not in
abundance, but more of a rarity. Only once or twice found in the history of
fossil excavation.
Ren
Mary Bianco
>From: Dnowens@...<<Don't get me wrong here, I do believe in something higher than me. I just
know that there were Dinosaurs too. And they didn't get on the boat with
Noah.>>
Well maybe they really did and no one got off the boat except for the
dinosaurs!!!!! Just ate 'em all up!!!!
Mary B (who's getting rather silly now but someone said I didn't have to
grow up, just get older!)
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Speaking of people who take the bible literally but haven't ever actually read it...
Has anyone seen this letter to Dr. Laura? I assumed it was okay to cut and paste it without permission since it's all over the internet.
Dear Dr. Laura,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. ~Leviticus 18:22
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?
But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, [to be] a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD. ~Leviticus 1:9
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. ~Exodus 21:7
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Leviticus 15:19 The woman, who at the return of the month, etc., etc., etc., shall be separated seven days. Every one that toucheth her, shall be unclean until the evening. And every thing that she sleepeth on, or that she sitteth on in the days of her separation, shall be defiled etc., etc., etc. ~Leviticus 15:19 thru 23
Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, [shall be] of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. ~Leviticus 25:44
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. ~Exodus
In Lev 1:5 and 1:6 it says someone has to kill a bull, splatter it's blood all around the alter, then flay it till it's torn apart. Do I have to do that myself, or can I just pay a Goth to do it for me?
And he shall kill the bullock before Jehovah: and Aaron's sons, the priests, shall present the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is at the door of the tent of meeting. And he shall flay the burnt-offering, and cut it into its pieces. ~Leviticus 1:5-6
A couple of verses that have really concerned me, Dr. Laura, are Lev 7:22-25. They say a low fat diet is just not going to cut it, not even close. And to be perfectly honest, my favorite restaurants are Burger King and Popeye's Chicken. So here's my questions: if I have to be cut off from the people, can I still work from home? If not, can I work from a motel room as long as I stay away from my family?
And Jehovah spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Ye shall eat no fat, of ox, or sheep, or goat. And the fat of that which dieth of itself, and the fat of that which is torn of beasts, may be used for any other service; but ye shall in no wise eat of it. For whosoever eateth the fat of the beast, of which men offer an offering made by fire unto Jehovah, even the soul that eateth it shall be cut off from his people. ~Leviticus 7:22-25
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Has anyone seen this letter to Dr. Laura? I assumed it was okay to cut and paste it without permission since it's all over the internet.
Dear Dr. Laura,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. ~Leviticus 18:22
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?
But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, [to be] a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD. ~Leviticus 1:9
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. ~Exodus 21:7
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Leviticus 15:19 The woman, who at the return of the month, etc., etc., etc., shall be separated seven days. Every one that toucheth her, shall be unclean until the evening. And every thing that she sleepeth on, or that she sitteth on in the days of her separation, shall be defiled etc., etc., etc. ~Leviticus 15:19 thru 23
Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, [shall be] of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. ~Leviticus 25:44
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. ~Exodus
In Lev 1:5 and 1:6 it says someone has to kill a bull, splatter it's blood all around the alter, then flay it till it's torn apart. Do I have to do that myself, or can I just pay a Goth to do it for me?
And he shall kill the bullock before Jehovah: and Aaron's sons, the priests, shall present the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is at the door of the tent of meeting. And he shall flay the burnt-offering, and cut it into its pieces. ~Leviticus 1:5-6
A couple of verses that have really concerned me, Dr. Laura, are Lev 7:22-25. They say a low fat diet is just not going to cut it, not even close. And to be perfectly honest, my favorite restaurants are Burger King and Popeye's Chicken. So here's my questions: if I have to be cut off from the people, can I still work from home? If not, can I work from a motel room as long as I stay away from my family?
And Jehovah spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Ye shall eat no fat, of ox, or sheep, or goat. And the fat of that which dieth of itself, and the fat of that which is torn of beasts, may be used for any other service; but ye shall in no wise eat of it. For whosoever eateth the fat of the beast, of which men offer an offering made by fire unto Jehovah, even the soul that eateth it shall be cut off from his people. ~Leviticus 7:22-25
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Rachel Ann
The problem with this post is that if one actually did read the bible, and read the Gemorah, which is the *other* part of the Jewish bible, then the questions wouldn't confound you...the answers are fairly simple and direct.
For example.. selling one's daughter...in meant not into slavery, but as a wife. She was given in marriage to another person with the right to not marry when she reached majority. It was a way for a poor person to protect his daughter...He couldn't afford to take care of her, so he gave her as a bride to be to another family. They cared for her as they would a daughter. When she reached majority, if she wanted to remain with him and marry she did. The Torah also makes clear that this is something allowed but not at all desired. (
A boy was apprenticed.
Sacrificing animals is forbidden in any place aside from the Temple. ie, the Temple which stood and was destroyed twice. There are differing opinons on whether or not we will have sacrifices come the final Temple.
No you can't take slaves from your neighbors now. The law of the land is the land. Furthermore, the form of slavery practiced in America was in total violation of the laws of the Torah.
Fat meant a particular fat. Not all fat.
Justice required two witnesses to a violation. Furthermore the person had to have warning that they were about to commit whatever crime they were about to commit and the penalty for the crime was XYZ. The two witnesses could not be related to the person or to each other, or to the vicitm. You couldn't kill just on your own two eyes. We had a system of courts, and the death penalty was rare (a court which sentence one person in seven, and some say seventy years to death was considerd a hanging court.
If someone is really interested, I will post or send to them good sites to really ask these questions...where you'll get answers from Rabbi's who have been studying this stuff most of their lives.....
For example.. selling one's daughter...in meant not into slavery, but as a wife. She was given in marriage to another person with the right to not marry when she reached majority. It was a way for a poor person to protect his daughter...He couldn't afford to take care of her, so he gave her as a bride to be to another family. They cared for her as they would a daughter. When she reached majority, if she wanted to remain with him and marry she did. The Torah also makes clear that this is something allowed but not at all desired. (
A boy was apprenticed.
Sacrificing animals is forbidden in any place aside from the Temple. ie, the Temple which stood and was destroyed twice. There are differing opinons on whether or not we will have sacrifices come the final Temple.
No you can't take slaves from your neighbors now. The law of the land is the land. Furthermore, the form of slavery practiced in America was in total violation of the laws of the Torah.
Fat meant a particular fat. Not all fat.
Justice required two witnesses to a violation. Furthermore the person had to have warning that they were about to commit whatever crime they were about to commit and the penalty for the crime was XYZ. The two witnesses could not be related to the person or to each other, or to the vicitm. You couldn't kill just on your own two eyes. We had a system of courts, and the death penalty was rare (a court which sentence one person in seven, and some say seventy years to death was considerd a hanging court.
If someone is really interested, I will post or send to them good sites to really ask these questions...where you'll get answers from Rabbi's who have been studying this stuff most of their lives.....
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From: patti.schmidt2@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:54 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] re: bible questions
Speaking of people who take the bible literally but haven't ever actually read it...
Has anyone seen this letter to Dr. Laura? I assumed it was okay to cut and paste it without permission since it's all over the internet.
Dear Dr. Laura,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. ~Leviticus 18:22
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?
But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, [to be] a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD. ~Leviticus 1:9
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. ~Exodus 21:7
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Leviticus 15:19 The woman, who at the return of the month, etc., etc., etc., shall be separated seven days. Every one that toucheth her, shall be unclean until the evening. And every thing that she sleepeth on, or that she sitteth on in the days of her separation, shall be defiled etc., etc., etc. ~Leviticus 15:19 thru 23
Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, [shall be] of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. ~Leviticus 25:44
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. ~Exodus
In Lev 1:5 and 1:6 it says someone has to kill a bull, splatter it's blood all around the alter, then flay it till it's torn apart. Do I have to do that myself, or can I just pay a Goth to do it for me?
And he shall kill the bullock before Jehovah: and Aaron's sons, the priests, shall present the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is at the door of the tent of meeting. And he shall flay the burnt-offering, and cut it into its pieces. ~Leviticus 1:5-6
A couple of verses that have really concerned me, Dr. Laura, are Lev 7:22-25. They say a low fat diet is just not going to cut it, not even close. And to be perfectly honest, my favorite restaurants are Burger King and Popeye's Chicken. So here's my questions: if I have to be cut off from the people, can I still work from home? If not, can I work from a motel room as long as I stay away from my family?
And Jehovah spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Ye shall eat no fat, of ox, or sheep, or goat. And the fat of that which dieth of itself, and the fat of that which is torn of beasts, may be used for any other service; but ye shall in no wise eat of it. For whosoever eateth the fat of the beast, of which men offer an offering made by fire unto Jehovah, even the soul that eateth it shall be cut off from his people. ~Leviticus 7:22-25
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
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Deborah Lewis
> Earlier I posted a link that showed that carbon 14 dating isn'tI also posted a link about radiocarbon dating, (sounds kinda kinky ) but
> accurate. The person who joked about being a "C14 heathen" seemed
> to
> be saying that she didn't agree that C14 is inaccurate.
> Sheila
made no serious statement about my opinion of its accuracy.
Deb L
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/9/02 3:44:59 PM Central Daylight Time, sheran@...
writes:
is, and exactly how strong gopher wood is. But *I* know that dinosaurs were
extinct before Noah ever came on the scene, and I believe carbon14 is
accurate. This is something I know with all my heart and soul, just as you
seem to believe the opposite. <g> ;o)
~Nancy
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writes:
> How do you know? You don't think two little baby dinosaurs could fitThat really depends on the size of the baby dinosaur, how big a cubit really
> on a boat the size of the ark?
> Sheila
is, and exactly how strong gopher wood is. But *I* know that dinosaurs were
extinct before Noah ever came on the scene, and I believe carbon14 is
accurate. This is something I know with all my heart and soul, just as you
seem to believe the opposite. <g> ;o)
~Nancy
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[email protected]
In a message dated 10/9/02 4:58:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
patti.schmidt2@... writes:
~Nancy (mentally adding up just how much Moly is worth <g>)
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patti.schmidt2@... writes:
> I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you canSNORK!!! That was a good one!
> help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
> unchanging.
>
>
>
>
~Nancy (mentally adding up just how much Moly is worth <g>)
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The Slackermom
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:53:45 EDT SandraDodd@... writes:
would make it impossible, IMO. Most only live in certain habitats, so
they'd either have to walk or fly to the ark, or the ark would have to
make a pretty long trip picking them up. Then there's the sheer number of
different species.There are hundreds of different species of small
grayish moths. There are hundreds of thousands of different species of
beetles. If they didn't evolve, they would have all had to be on the
ark... I'm sure someone has figured out how large an ark would have to
big to hold every species, plus provisions for that species for a few
months (food for just the elephants would fill a pretty bug space), but
it's pretty easy to figure out that it's logistically impossible.
The ark is a metaphor, like much of the bible.
Dar
> I think the point is that people who accept physical evidence ofdinosaurs
> don't spend much time speculating on the age or size of animals thatJust the logistics of gathering and loading every species into an ark
> Noah is
> said to have taken on the ark.
>
would make it impossible, IMO. Most only live in certain habitats, so
they'd either have to walk or fly to the ark, or the ark would have to
make a pretty long trip picking them up. Then there's the sheer number of
different species.There are hundreds of different species of small
grayish moths. There are hundreds of thousands of different species of
beetles. If they didn't evolve, they would have all had to be on the
ark... I'm sure someone has figured out how large an ark would have to
big to hold every species, plus provisions for that species for a few
months (food for just the elephants would fill a pretty bug space), but
it's pretty easy to figure out that it's logistically impossible.
The ark is a metaphor, like much of the bible.
Dar