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In a message dated 10/2/02 9:15:14 PM, momma60@... writes:

<< Avery is going to be much more traumatized by the abuse at his brothers
hand,that you are allowing,than any trauma a spanking would cause Jaiden. >>

The spanking says the other physical abuse was within a range of
acceptability.

The spanking says an older bigger person CAN and sometimes SHOULD hit a
smaller one.

<<I have 5 children and am an extremely permissive parent,but one thing I
have zero tolerance about is an older sibling physically or mentally harming
a younger sibling. >>

How about having zero tolerance for an older person physically or mentally
harming a younger person.

<<I explain to them that I'll allow no one to hurt any of my children and
that includes them hurting each other.>>

It takes some mental gymnastics, smoke and mirrors NOT to see that spanking
is hurting. if you claim not to allow anyone to hurt any of your children
but that does NOT include an adult/parent hurting them, you're blinding
yourself to simple truth.

It's a lie for any spanking parent to say they will not allow anyoen to hurt
their children.

<<Why Jaiden is doing it does not matter because there is no why that could
justify him harming Avery.
please don't let him hurt Avery anymore.>>

Why parents spank doesn't matter, because there is no justifiication for
harming children.
Please don't let yourself hurt your children anymore.

Anyone who doubts that spanking is violence should read "For Your Own Good"
by Alice Brown.

Sandra

Betsy

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Anyone who doubts that spanking is violence should read "For Your Own
Good"
by Alice Brown.**

Alice Miller, I think.

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In a message dated 10/3/02 9:31:09 AM, ecsamhill@... writes:

<< by Alice Brown.**

Alice Miller, I think. >>

Sorry. I made names up in my sleep, I guess. <g>

Thanks for correcting that.