DIANE HAWKINS

who do you think introduced the idea that dogs should never have table scraps. the dog food companies!why shouldn't they.its not good for them?thats what we eat.our people food is not good enough for the dogs?and another fallacy is that dogs can;t have chocolate.i had a neighbor tell me not too long ago that chocolate will kill a dog.poison them.i give my dog chocolate.and my childhood dog ate m&ms almost everyday of his 14yrs my mom bought them especially for him.i guess it was the candy coating that protected him.some people will believe the most ridiculous ideas while common sense goes right over their heads.frighteningly too many.
diane in de


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Deborah Lewis

My brother's goofy Lab will eat anything he can reach on the table or
counter when no one is looking. He's eaten bunches of bananas, skin and
all, a loaf of bread, an apple pie and just recently a plate of chocolate
chip cookies. He left four of these because they were stuck to the
plate, probably from dog slobber, but they were moist enough looking that
no one else wanted them.

I've heard the chocolate story and maybe it's true but I had an
Australian shepherd who lived to be 18 and she ate chocolate all the
time, in the days before anyone was saying it was bad for dogs.

Deb L

james e thomas

I love these dog stories....Deb L, that was a cute story.
I guess I have been one of those folks that believed the reports
thinking that more study has been done showing that the theobromine (I
think that is what is in it) and caffeine is toxic. Avocados are supposed
to be toxic to dogs and teflon coating on irons,griddles etc. is toxic to
birds. I have heard several stories of birds dropping dead after an iron
was left on while the owner went into another room. The teflon off gasses
and leaves harmful fumes.
we tried the raw meat diet with our pooch and it was gross! her breath
was terrible all of the time so we just put her back on the veggie diet
we eat and she was fine. we tried it as an experiment because we had seen
so much on it but there wasn't much change.We were open to feeding her
differently if it would keep her healthy. Boy, she was the perfect veggie
dog eating carrots, apple,almonds, tofu etc. She had a passion for bread
too.She was a typical dog though...she got sick sometimes and we cleaned
it up and went on with our day...kind of like for the kids.
Thanks Sandra for expanding on the "needs" issue. I agree that we have
to be willing to re-look at our beliefs and see if they are valid. But
isn't that part of everyone's "everyday"? Living with kids?
My kids challenge my thinking all of the time and I have to go back
and re-think things through. Sometimes it is fun and other times
painful..All of it worth while!
sharon

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mabeitzel

My English Mastiff just loves cucumbers and fresh broccoli, raw
carrots, apples...he will go through his whole array of tricks
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from stand to sit to down to sit to stand all in the matter of a
second is hillarious.
Michelle B.



--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Deborah Lewis <ddzimlew@j...> wrote:
> My brother's goofy Lab will eat anything he can reach on the table
or
> counter when no one is looking. He's eaten bunches of bananas,
skin and
> all, a loaf of bread, an apple pie and just recently a plate of
chocolate
> chip cookies. He left four of these because they were stuck to the
> plate, probably from dog slobber, but they were moist enough
looking that
> no one else wanted them.
>
> I've heard the chocolate story and maybe it's true but I had an
> Australian shepherd who lived to be 18 and she ate chocolate all
the
> time, in the days before anyone was saying it was bad for dogs.
>
> Deb L

Tia Leschke

> who do you think introduced the idea that dogs should never have table
scraps. the dog food companies!why shouldn't they.its not good for
them?thats what we eat.our people food is not good enough for the dogs?and
another fallacy is that dogs can;t have chocolate.i had a neighbor tell me
not too long ago that chocolate will kill a dog.poison them.i give my dog
chocolate.and my childhood dog ate m&ms almost everyday of his 14yrs my mom
bought them especially for him.i guess it was the candy coating that
protected him.some people will believe the most ridiculous ideas while
common sense goes right over their heads.frighteningly too many.

I'm guessing your dog is large. My friends have a little poodle-type dog
who got into a box of chocolates last Christmas. He spent several days at
the vets and almost didn't make it.
Tia

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In a message dated 9/29/02 8:17:22 PM Central Daylight Time, momma60@...
writes:


> and another fallacy is that dogs can;t have chocolate.i had a neighbor tell
> me not too long ago that chocolate will kill a dog.poison them.i give my
> dog chocolate

Actually, chocolate can kill dogs and cats. An M&M here and there won't do
it, but a whole chocolate bar could make a dog or cat seriously ill, even
kill it. That isn't a fallacy at all.
~Nancy


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Fetteroll

on 9/29/02 9:24 PM, DIANE HAWKINS at momma60@... wrote:

> i had a neighbor tell me not too long ago that chocolate will kill a
> dog.poison them.i give my dog chocolate.and my childhood dog ate m&ms almost
> everyday of his 14yrs my mom bought them especially for him.

There is a substance in chocolate that is deadly for dogs and cats. There's
some in milk chocolate. More in semi-sweet. And loads in baker's chocolate.
Here's something for a website:

>> Theobromine, caffeine and theophylline [in tea] are all naturally occurring
>> molecules that are found in several foods, plants, beverages and human and
>> veterinary medications.

BTW, according to The Straight Dope, chocolate is the 3rd most common
poisoning in dogs. The first is rat and mouse poison. The second is
Advil/ibuprofen. Apparently dogs love the smell of ibuprofen and will chew
right through the container and gobble them down.

>> Milk chocolate is obtained from seeds of theobroma cacao after fermentation
>> and roasting. Milk chocolate has about 44 mg/ounce of theobromine; a 4.5 oz.
>> milk chocolate bar has about 240 mgs. of theobromine. Unsweetened baking
>> chocolate has even more -- about 390 to 450 mgs of theobromine per ounce.
>>
>> Relative theobromine content per ounce for various products is:
>> Milk chocolate: 44 - 60 mgs/ounce
>> Unsweetened baking chocolate: 450 mg/oz
>> Cacao meal: 300 - 900 mg/oz
>> Cacao beans: 300 - 1200 mg/oz
>> Hot chocolate: 13 mg/oz
>>
>> The lethal dosage of theobromine in dogs is between 250 and 500 mgs/kg, or
>> about 2/3 to 1 1/3 of baking chocolate for every 2.2 pounds of body weight.
>> However, serious non-fatal poisonings have been reported in dogs after eating
>> smaller amounts.

Joyce

Shyrley

On 29 Sep 02, at 23:53, Dnowens@... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/29/02 8:17:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
> momma60@... writes:
>
>
> > and another fallacy is that dogs can;t have chocolate.i had a
> > neighbor tell me not too long ago that chocolate will kill a
> > dog.poison them.i give my dog chocolate
>
> Actually, chocolate can kill dogs and cats. An M&M here and there
> won't do it, but a whole chocolate bar could make a dog or cat
> seriously ill, even kill it. That isn't a fallacy at all. ~Nancy
>
I keep hearing this one. It's usually mentioned in conjunction with
dark chocolate (what Americans would call semi-sweet I guess
where the cocoa content os 80% - proper chocolate)
My Shih Tzu once ate all the choclate decorations from the xmas
tree when he was 2. Apart from the unusual turds he was fine and
live until he was 15 when a vaccine killed him :-(

Shyrley


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