Rachel Ann

has anyone read this book? It is about the way girls bully and haraass each other. I'm finding it a very interesting read, and thinking about this in terms of the general population, unschooling vs. schooling.

I won't be back on until Sunday, Monday but I would like to discuss this with anyone who is interested. Email me private if you want also...

be well,
Rachel Ann


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I haven't read this book, but another one that I found interesting was "A
Sense Of Self" by Susannah Sheffer. She talks about how the cliques and
social pressures that girls use on one another in school are not a natural
thing at all, but a school-induced behavior pattern.

Kevin





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has anyone read this book? It is about the way girls bully and haraass
each other. I'm finding it a very interesting read, and thinking about
this in terms of the general population, unschooling vs. schooling.

I won't be back on until Sunday, Monday but I would like to discuss this
with anyone who is interested. Email me private if you want also...

be well,
Rachel Ann


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Kelli Traaseth

I have to reply to this..look out on my soap box again..
I havn't read the book but it kind-of relates to a question that I've been meaning to ask everyone..
I have gotten the comment, if you pull your kids from school... how will they deal with life? For example, a friend would say "life isn't fair, they have to learn this". Like in school they'll learn how to deal with conflict and then real life will be so much easier! Yeah, right!!
How can I answer these kind-of comments and not just sound like a defensive b----? I think I tend to come across this way alot when I'm passionate about something. Also to me all of this stuff is so common sense, unschooling especially and letting a person do what they enjoy. I really have a hard time believing that it is such a hard concept for people. Don't they see musicians that make a living or artists? These people love their work! I suppose most people would then say, yeah but they can't live on that,(won't make enough money) I say lets get rid of one SUV, how about reusing some older clothes, hey here's a stretch--what about hand-me-downs?
Sorry, but I think I'll write a book and make my millions and it will be called Common Sense. I think that's what so many of these self-help books could be called.
Ok, all done, and oh, Rachel Ann, I've been meaning to tell you I really enjoy reading your posts. Keep them coming. I love the Jewish religion and way of life, it is so rich in tradition, wish my Lutheran life was that way!
Take Care,
Kelli
Rachel Ann wrote:has anyone read this book? It is about the way girls bully and haraass each other. I'm finding it a very interesting read, and thinking about this in terms of the general population, unschooling vs. schooling.

I won't be back on until Sunday, Monday but I would like to discuss this with anyone who is interested. Email me private if you want also...

be well,
Rachel Ann


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Kelli Traaseth

I have to reply to this..look out, I'm on my soap box again..
I havn't read the book but it kind-of relates to a question that I've been meaning to ask everyone..
I have gotten the comment, if you pull your kids from school... how will they deal with life? For example, a friend would say "life isn't fair, they have to learn this". Like in school they'll learn how to deal with conflict and then real life will be so much easier! Yeah, right!!
How can I answer these kind-of comments and not just sound like a defensive b----? I think I tend to come across this way alot when I'm passionate about something. Also to me all of this stuff is so common sense, unschooling especially and letting a person do what they enjoy. I really have a hard time believing that it is such a hard concept for people. Don't they see musicians that make a living or artists? These people love their work! I suppose most people would then say, yeah but they can't live on that,(won't make enough money) I say lets get rid of one SUV, how about reusing some older clothes, hey here's a stretch--what about hand-me-downs?
Sorry, but I think I'll write a book and make my millions and it will be called Common Sense. I think that's what so many of these self-help books could be called.
Ok, all done, and oh, Rachel Ann, I've been meaning to tell you I really enjoy reading your posts. Keep them coming. I love the Jewish religion and way of life, it is so rich in tradition, wish my Lutheran life was that way!
Take Care,
Kelli
Rachel Ann wrote: has anyone read this book? It is about the way girls bully and haraass each other. I'm finding it a very interesting read, and thinking about this in terms of the general population, unschooling vs. schooling.

I won't be back on until Sunday, Monday but I would like to discuss this with anyone who is interested. Email me private if you want also...

be well,
Rachel Ann


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Betsy

**
I have gotten the comment, if you pull your kids from school... how will
they deal with life? For example, a friend would say "life isn't fair,
they have to learn this". Like in school they'll learn how to deal with
conflict and then real life will be so much easier! Yeah, right!! **

I've got several ideas, but some of them will undoubtedly cross the line
into bitchiness.

1. "I don't agree."

2. Make a scoffing sound and then say "Cruelty is over-rated."

3. "They'll deal with life when they are older and ready to deal with it."

4. "Tell me the worst thing that happened to you in school.... and why
it was good for you."

5. "So you think suffering builds character? Is that the reason you
drive your kids to school?"

Betsy

Tia Leschke

> I have to reply to this..look out on my soap box again..
> I havn't read the book but it kind-of relates to a question that I've been
meaning to ask everyone..

I haven't either.

> I have gotten the comment, if you pull your kids from school... how will
they deal with life? For example, a friend would say "life isn't fair,
they have to learn this". Like in school they'll learn how to deal with
conflict and then real life will be so much easier! Yeah, right!!

I'll give this a shot. I'm still recovering from my school socialization,
and I'm 53. I was the kid who cried when teased. So I got horribly teased
from kindergarten through grade 6. Did wonders for my self-esteem, I can
tell you . . . not! It has affected my all my life, and even interfered to
some extent with my unschooling. (Fear of rejection can make it hard to
offer ideas to your kid.)

And you know what? I've *never* in my adult life been treated the way I was
in school. Never. So what was all that preparing me for?

When people ask me about socialization, my answer is sometimes, "You mean
like Columbine?"
Tia

Betsy

**It has affected my all my life, and even interfered to
some extent with my unschooling. (Fear of rejection can make it hard to
offer ideas to your kid.)**

Hi, Tia --

Yeah, I've experienced this, too. And now I understand how you
understood me when I posted about it! (The penny drops.)

Betsy

sal3school

That's a good one Tia! Yes, I totally feel for you-I was the weak one on the
pecking order. I still have that following me with one particular person,
that always makes me feel inferior and a dummy! I have to watch how much
time I spend w/ that person. Expand more on how rejection felt by giving
ideas to your kids. Reason I am asking is that is what I have gone
through-my son doesn't like my 'suggestions'. Amy
----- Original Message -----
From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Was Odd Girl Out (book)now kind-of
socializing


> > I have to reply to this..look out on my soap box again..
> > I havn't read the book but it kind-of relates to a question that I've
been
> meaning to ask everyone..
>
> I haven't either.
>
> > I have gotten the comment, if you pull your kids from school... how will
> they deal with life? For example, a friend would say "life isn't fair,
> they have to learn this". Like in school they'll learn how to deal with
> conflict and then real life will be so much easier! Yeah, right!!
>
> I'll give this a shot. I'm still recovering from my school socialization,
> and I'm 53. I was the kid who cried when teased. So I got horribly
teased
> from kindergarten through grade 6. Did wonders for my self-esteem, I can
> tell you . . . not! It has affected my all my life, and even interfered
to
> some extent with my unschooling. (Fear of rejection can make it hard to
> offer ideas to your kid.)
>
> And you know what? I've *never* in my adult life been treated the way I
was
> in school. Never. So what was all that preparing me for?
>
> When people ask me about socialization, my answer is sometimes, "You mean
> like Columbine?"
> Tia
>
>
>
>
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Tia Leschke

> That's a good one Tia! Yes, I totally feel for you-I was the weak one on
the
> pecking order. I still have that following me with one particular person,
> that always makes me feel inferior and a dummy! I have to watch how much
> time I spend w/ that person. Expand more on how rejection felt by giving
> ideas to your kids. Reason I am asking is that is what I have gone
> through-my son doesn't like my 'suggestions'. Amy

What happened with me was that I would see all these cool things in books or
on the internet and suggest to my son that we try them. He usually said no.
Or he'd say he was interested but I'd realize he really wasn't. (Something
about my voice made him think it was important to me that he say yes?)
Anyway, I gradually stopped showing him stuff. Looking back, I realize that
he usually responded well when I just went ahead and organized something,
like when I organized the building of a geodesic dome out of newpapers with
our local group. When I first showed him the idea, he wasn't interested.
Once I arranged for it to happen, he was quite into helping me get the stuff
ready, and he was the one who stuck with it the longest when it wasn't
working out quite right. (We did it again, a little differently, and it
worked fine.)

Anyway, I feel badly now that I didn't pick up on the fact that he needs
action. I needed to start things that I thought he'd like, without worrying
about whether I was going to be wasting my time on something that might not
appeal to him. Well, we just keep on trying to give our kids what they
need. And sometimes we get it right. <g>
Tia