Helen Hegener

At 4:33 PM +0000 9/20/02, Betsy <ecsamhill@...> wrote:
>People were saying that there are two great deschooling articles in the
>current issue of HEM, Home Education Magazine.

One of those, "Unschooling is my Job," by Ruthe Freidner Matilsky, is
online with some other great selections from the current issue at our
website:
http://www.home-ed-magazine.com/HEM/195.html

And I think Sandra made hers available at her own website, didn't she?

>I don't know off of the top of my head if you can order a single issue
>when it's the current issue. But I think you can order back issues.

You can order back issues (our annual Back Issue Sale is coming up
and it's always a fantastic time to stock up!), but right now I
believe you'll receive the current issue (Sept/Oct) if you ask for a
free sample copy. Just go to our home page
http://www.home-ed-magazine.com and click on the "Never seen a copy?"
link below the cover image. I'm not sure where the office is in the
process, though - at some point they'll roll over the request list
and include it with the subscriptions for the Nov/Dec issue. You
could find out by contacting Stacy, our office manager, at
HEM-Info@... or give her a call at 1-800-236-3278
(she'll be back in the office Monday morning).

>If we haven't driven Helen off with our tantrums, she can give you a
>definitive answer.

Tantrums? Did I miss some good tantrums again? Darn! <g>

I'm still in Alaska, but getting ready to head back to Washington
state on Monday, so I'll be out of touch all next week. Been some
interesting reading here lately... wish I had time to do more than
just read.

Helen Hegener, Managing Editor
Home Education Magazine
HEM-Editor@...
http://www.home-ed-magazine.com
~Ask me about HEM's email lists! ~

[email protected]

In a message dated 9/21/02 11:37:28 AM, HEM-Editor@...
writes:

<< And I think Sandra made hers available at her own website, didn't she? >>

Not yet, but I'm willing to.

I usually try to wait until the issue is safely out and read. Have the bulk
mailed copies arrived?

Sandra

mabeitzel

That is an incredible article! Hats off to Ruthe...it hit home even
though I am just beginning. Thanks for sending it Helen. I should
hopefully be receiving my HEMs soon. This is one of those pieces
I'd like to print to life size, like Sandra's Certificate of
Empowerment and put it on my bedroom door, so that I am reminded at
the end of every single day. It helps to put into perspective the
ludicrous guilt felt at the seemingly lack of work in unschooling.
I would also like to put the following across the back of my
van....I am the proud parent of a child who is unschooled,
unfettered and unleashed ...on life!

Michelle Beitzel

[email protected]

Okay.
I see that the current issue is online and my column did not make the online
cut this time, and I'm assured most or all of the subscription issues are in
mailboxes around the world and so!

http://sandradodd.com/unschooling



It is now made readable online. BUT I don't want anyone to fail to get the
new issue of HEM because of that! I'm serious. Buy it! Subscribe! give it
to your friends for Christmas!<g>

Sandra

mabeitzel

Sandra,
I think I might be missing something here...which article on your
site? (via the link). Is it a new one?
Michelle



--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> Okay.
> I see that the current issue is online and my column did not make
the online
> cut this time, and I'm assured most or all of the subscription
issues are in
> mailboxes around the world and so!
>
> http://sandradodd.com/unschooling
>
>
>
> It is now made readable online. BUT I don't want anyone to fail
to get the
> new issue of HEM because of that! I'm serious. Buy it!
Subscribe! give it
> to your friends for Christmas!<g>
>
> Sandra

[email protected]

-=-Sandra,
I think I might be missing something here...which article on your
site? (via the link). Is it a new one?
Michelle
-=-

DOH!
I'm so used to writing unschooling I failed (again) to write "deschooling"
and I havne't yet linked it from the other pages.

Very, very sorry.


http://sandradodd.com/deschooling

-------



--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> Okay.
> I see that the current issue is online and my column did not make
the online
> cut this time, and I'm assured most or all of the subscription
issues are in
> mailboxes around the world and so!
>
> http://sandradodd.com/unschooling
>
>
>
> It is now made readable online. BUT I don't want anyone to fail
to get the
> new issue of HEM because of that! I'm serious. Buy it!
Subscribe! give it
> to your friends for Christmas!<g>
>
> Sandra

mabeitzel

Thanks Sandra, I got it this time. What a wonderful article. It is
much needed as my husband's stress is increasing and it does trickle
down. He spent a day home with us (during the week)yesterday and
asked if "this" is what the kids do all day? Even though I was not
feeling well with a nasty cold the kids shared with me we still made
some apple bread together (discussed fractions and subtracting) and
read together. We read from our true/false interesting fact
cards...the kids think they are funny. My son played Caesar II
(Build a better Rome) which he is obsessed with as is my husband.
They played outside and watered their pumpkin seeds they had
planted. We talked about greenhouses and the reasons why they might
not grow here in Okinawa. I thought it was a good day considering I
slept off an on and fought off congestion and a fever. Even though I
would like to be deschooling more comfortably. Nevertheless, my
husband has been supportive, but it is wearing off. I have given
him several articles and I will give him yours....he is just making
comments like "she needs to be learning her letter sounds (5 yr.old
d)despite the fact that he listened to me dictate 3 sentences she
asked for and she wrote all the letters on her own...she couldn't do
that a week ago! "He needs to be doing his math ...he can't even
add 5 + 2! (son with LDs)...my husband says he can't handle it much
longer...I keep telling him he has got to look outside of the box.
He is now trying to force my son to read i.e. with his Caesar game
he is struggling with stages and my husband tells him to read the
pop up boxes ...my son just says "I did" and doesn't ask for help
anymore (he did not read them). He sat down with him last night to
read and made him read to him(dad)and it was labored and it upsets
me. He is becoming more reluctant to read or do anything remotely
like schoolwork and I don't blame him...I expected it. I am sorry
for such a long post, it just comes at a moment when my dh left to
run errands and I can tell he is about to blow in regards to the
childrens' education. I don't know what else to do to help him
understand. I'll invite him to ask questions of the group, but I
don't know if he will and he is about to leave for a few weeks (we
will miss him yes, but it will offer some reprieve). I should stop
rambling, I just know we are doing the right thing, but my dh's
support is wearing off. Thanks again Sandra for the article.
Michelle




--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> -=-Sandra,
> I think I might be missing something here...which article on your
> site? (via the link). Is it a new one?
> Michelle
> -=-
>
> DOH!
> I'm so used to writing unschooling I failed (again) to
write "deschooling"
> and I havne't yet linked it from the other pages.
>
> Very, very sorry.
>
>
> http://sandradodd.com/deschooling
>
> -------
>
>
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> > Okay.
> > I see that the current issue is online and my column did not
make
> the online
> > cut this time, and I'm assured most or all of the subscription
> issues are in
> > mailboxes around the world and so!
> >
> > http://sandradodd.com/unschooling
> >
> >
> >
> > It is now made readable online. BUT I don't want anyone to fail
> to get the
> > new issue of HEM because of that! I'm serious. Buy it!
> Subscribe! give it
> > to your friends for Christmas!<g>
> >
> > Sandra

[email protected]

You're welcome.

I downloaded a free game from the internet (for a Mac, I don't know if they
had PC version) called "Hangaroo," a kind of hangman game. Turns out that's
where Marty came to know Canada has Prime Ministers (I asked him yesterday).
And last night Holly was playing it, asked for some help, came closer to
winning than Marty or I ever had, and we wanted to see what happens if you DO
get ten games in a row.

So Marty came to help too. The 9th question was some highest peak, and we
got Tajikistan, but could NOT guess enough of the name of the peak. It was
in Russian. We had only one guess left.

So Holly signed on, Marty pulled up google, entered Tajikistan mountain peak,
and we got a list of the highest peaks in the world, and there, the third
Tajikistan listed (way down a long list) it was!!! So we won, saved a cartoon
kangaroo, and had fun.


Holly was wanting to fill in the letters once one of us has identified the
word (If/when we had). I'm best at the phrases. They're English idioms or
cliches, and I know more of them than the kids do. So on those, I would say
what it was (his bark is worse than his bite, or whatever) and they were
usually simple words, and Holly would fill them in.

Your husband might like playing Hangman with the kids online.

There's another Hangman we've had for years. Not totally free, but worth the
shareware fee.

http://www.winograd.com

It has educational categories, but we just set it on random so we aren't JUST
doing presidents or states or whatever.

Sandra

Rachel Ann

http://enetwork.ncbuy.com/downloads/ntchanga.html

here's the link if anyone is interested...it is available for both mac and windows...

be well,
Rachel Ann, who wishes she had a mac...


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

mabeitzel

Thanks! We've already played both of them!
Michelle



--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Rachel Ann <hindar@o...> wrote:
> http://enetwork.ncbuy.com/downloads/ntchanga.html
>
> here's the link if anyone is interested...it is available for both
mac and windows...
>
> be well,
> Rachel Ann, who wishes she had a mac...
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

MO Milligans

At 12:39 AM 9/25/02 +0000, you wrote:

>He sat down with him last night to read and made him read to him(dad)and
>it was labored and it upsets me. He is becoming more reluctant to read or
>do anything remotely like schoolwork and I don't blame him...I expected it.
==
I went through a frustrating period w/my DD when she was about 3. The just
couldn't read the pages "right", and I was getting as frustrated as she
was. But mine came from "not being able to 'teach' her to read". Later on I
figured out that she *refused* to read anything out loud to me because I
would critique every mispronunciation :( At that point, thank goodness for
e-lists, I asked "why can't I teach a three yr. old to read?". That's when
I was told by an unschooler that I need to chill, don't stress, and leave
her be; which I did. She's now 9 going on 10 (next month) and reads like a
champ. And only just recently would she read out loud to me, and does it
very well :-) I don't know why some of us men are so hard-headed sometimes.
Sigh~~

Todd

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
I will choose Free Will" -Rush (& Todd)
http://rambleman.tripod.com/index.html

[email protected]

In a message dated 9/24/2002 9:55:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Ozarkren@... writes:


> "why can't I teach a three yr. old to read?". That's when
> I was told by an unschooler that I need to chill, don't stress, and leave
> her be; which I did. She's now 9 going on 10 (next month) and reads like a
> champ. And only just recently would she read out loud to me, and does it
> very well :-) I don't know why some of us men are so hard-headed sometimes.
>
> Sigh~~
>
>

a 3 year old? Wow you had high expectations! LOL...you would have the
Moore's (as in the founders of the moore foundation) hair standing on end.
=)
Karmen M.
Washington State
wife to Steven 3-4-99
mother to Katie 5-17-99, Kamden 2-13-01, Kalen 5-4-02, Kirstin ??? 5-21-03
???
Proverbs 24:3-4 "By wisdom a house is built, and through understanding it is
established; through knowledge its rooms are filled with rare and beautiful
treasures.







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

MO Milligans

At 11:43 PM 9/24/02 -0500, you wrote:
>At that point, thank goodness for
>e-lists, I asked "why can't I teach a three yr. old to read?"
==
For clarification...I should have wrote about when she was *6*, not 3. Been
a while I guess.

Todd

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
I will choose Free Will" -Rush (& Todd)
http://rambleman.tripod.com/index.html

MO Milligans

At 01:02 AM 9/25/02 -0400, you wrote:
>a 3 year old? Wow you had high expectations! LOL...
==
Actually, she was 6. Guess my brain farted on the age thingy. <g>

Todd

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
I will choose Free Will" -Rush (& Todd)
http://rambleman.tripod.com/index.html

mabeitzel

Whew...the 3 yr. old thing threw me! Well - I'll drag my husband
over to read your post...thanks for sharing your experiences.
Blessings
Michelle



--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., MO Milligans <Ozarkren@r...> wrote:
> At 01:02 AM 9/25/02 -0400, you wrote:
> >a 3 year old? Wow you had high expectations! LOL...
> ==
> Actually, she was 6. Guess my brain farted on the age thingy. <g>
>
> Todd
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
> I will choose Free Will" -Rush (& Todd)
> http://rambleman.tripod.com/index.html

Lisa Hardiman

That is a good article, Sandra. Lisa of MT

-----Original Message-----
From: SandraDodd@... [mailto:SandraDodd@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 8:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: HEM and Deschooling Reading

-=-Sandra,
I think I might be missing something here...which article on your
site? (via the link). Is it a new one?
Michelle
-=-

DOH!
I'm so used to writing unschooling I failed (again) to write
"deschooling"
and I havne't yet linked it from the other pages.

Very, very sorry.


http://sandradodd.com/deschooling

-------



--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> Okay.
> I see that the current issue is online and my column did not make
the online
> cut this time, and I'm assured most or all of the subscription
issues are in
> mailboxes around the world and so!
>
> http://sandradodd.com/unschooling
>
>
>
> It is now made readable online. BUT I don't want anyone to fail
to get the
> new issue of HEM because of that! I'm serious. Buy it!
Subscribe! give it
> to your friends for Christmas!<g>
>
> Sandra


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Kelli Traaseth

Michelle, Does it help to show him examples of things you've done that havn't worked? For me, I have to say,You know, when I was reading all those notations to him and making him read all the descriptions on those games he really closed up on me and he didn't even want to play them any more. It really stopped him learning right in its tracks. My husband then doesn't take it personal and he sees it differently. My husband goes back and forth and I am really trying to be patient with him.

We were just discussing Sandras article on spoiling children. And we had some really good discussions. Its so nice to have a different perspective to show him. He is worried we are spoiling my son with the PS2. Its hard because I feel as tho' its part of his life and learning. And I am going to have him save his money to buy more games because I can't buy many of those!

Michelle your day sounded great! Keep up your good living and I think it will all work out!

Kelli

mabeitzel wrote:

Thanks Sandra, I got it this time. What a wonderful article. It is
much needed as my husband's stress is increasing and it does trickle
down. He spent a day home with us (during the week)yesterday and
asked if "this" is what the kids do all day? Even though I was not
feeling well with a nasty cold the kids shared with me we still made
some apple bread together (discussed fractions and subtracting) and
read together. We read from our true/false interesting fact
cards...the kids think they are funny. My son played Caesar II
(Build a better Rome) which he is obsessed with as is my husband.
They played outside and watered their pumpkin seeds they had
planted. We talked about greenhouses and the reasons why they might
not grow here in Okinawa. I thought it was a good day considering I
slept off an on and fought off congestion and a fever. Even though I
would like to be deschooling more comfortably. Nevertheless, my
husband has been supportive, but it is wearing off. I have given
him several articles and I will give him yours....he is just making
comments like "she needs to be learning her letter sounds (5 yr.old
d)despite the fact that he listened to me dictate 3 sentences she
asked for and she wrote all the letters on her own...she couldn't do
that a week ago! "He needs to be doing his math ...he can't even
add 5 + 2! (son with LDs)...my husband says he can't handle it much
longer...I keep telling him he has got to look outside of the box.
He is now trying to force my son to read i.e. with his Caesar game
he is struggling with stages and my husband tells him to read the
pop up boxes ...my son just says "I did" and doesn't ask for help
anymore (he did not read them). He sat down with him last night to
read and made him read to him(dad)and it was labored and it upsets
me. He is becoming more reluctant to read or do anything remotely
like schoolwork and I don't blame him...I expected it. I am sorry
for such a long post, it just comes at a moment when my dh left to
run errands and I can tell he is about to blow in regards to the
childrens' education. I don't know what else to do to help him
understand. I'll invite him to ask questions of the group, but I
don't know if he will and he is about to leave for a few weeks (we
will miss him yes, but it will offer some reprieve). I should stop
rambling, I just know we are doing the right thing, but my dh's
support is wearing off. Thanks again Sandra for the article.
Michelle




--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> -=-Sandra,
> I think I might be missing something here...which article on your
> site? (via the link). Is it a new one?
> Michelle
> -=-
>
> DOH!
> I'm so used to writing unschooling I failed (again) to
write "deschooling"
> and I havne't yet linked it from the other pages.
>
> Very, very sorry.
>
>
> http://sandradodd.com/deschooling
>
> -------
>
>
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> > Okay.
> > I see that the current issue is online and my column did not
make
> the online
> > cut this time, and I'm assured most or all of the subscription
> issues are in
> > mailboxes around the world and so!
> >
> > http://sandradodd.com/unschooling
> >
> >
> >
> > It is now made readable online. BUT I don't want anyone to fail
> to get the
> > new issue of HEM because of that! I'm serious. Buy it!
> Subscribe! give it
> > to your friends for Christmas!<g>
> >
> > Sandra



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mabeitzel

Thanks Kelli for the vote of confidence! And everyone else's
suggestions. It certainly helps. I leave articles out for him and
he reads them. He does not always finish them though. He told me
the other day, "maybe I don't want to understand what you are
doing"...???..."it is too different." Geez, what can I do? He will
need to see proof and while I see a lot of it and point it out he is
caught up on comparing our son....big mistake I know. I tell him
constantly how comparing will never work especially with a child
with LD's. Even if ds "caught up" with all the rest, he'd probably
still be dissapointed. Deep seated issues...we talked about him
dealing with those. Dh does know that homeschooling is right, but
unschooling is a different ballgame. On another note, my ds has
been very emotional the past few days. He is pulling away from any
reading (me reading to him!), etc. He is having quite a few
outbursts lately that have suprised me, but maybe he is adjusting?
Has anyone experienced this? My dh says I have given too much
freedom too quickly that I should have eased off. I imagine we'll
pass through this. Meanwhile, I have to figure out how to tell the
principal that I do not want any services for him at all....she is
going to give me @#$% for that. Pull up my boot straps I guess.
Thanks for all the help,
Michelle




--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@y...>
wrote:
>
> Michelle, Does it help to show him examples of things you've done
that havn't worked? For me, I have to say,You know, when I was
reading all those notations to him and making him read all the
descriptions on those games he really closed up on me and he didn't
even want to play them any more. It really stopped him learning
right in its tracks. My husband then doesn't take it personal and
he sees it differently. My husband goes back and forth and I am
really trying to be patient with him.
>
> We were just discussing Sandras article on spoiling children. And
we had some really good discussions. Its so nice to have a
different perspective to show him. He is worried we are spoiling my
son with the PS2. Its hard because I feel as tho' its part of his
life and learning. And I am going to have him save his money to buy
more games because I can't buy many of those!
>
> Michelle your day sounded great! Keep up your good living and I
think it will all work out!
>
> Kelli
>
> mabeitzel wrote:
>
> Thanks Sandra, I got it this time. What a wonderful article. It
is
> much needed as my husband's stress is increasing and it does
trickle
> down. He spent a day home with us (during the week)yesterday and
> asked if "this" is what the kids do all day? Even though I was
not
> feeling well with a nasty cold the kids shared with me we still
made
> some apple bread together (discussed fractions and subtracting)
and
> read together. We read from our true/false interesting fact
> cards...the kids think they are funny. My son played Caesar II
> (Build a better Rome) which he is obsessed with as is my husband.
> They played outside and watered their pumpkin seeds they had
> planted. We talked about greenhouses and the reasons why they
might
> not grow here in Okinawa. I thought it was a good day considering
I
> slept off an on and fought off congestion and a fever. Even though
I
> would like to be deschooling more comfortably. Nevertheless, my
> husband has been supportive, but it is wearing off. I have given
> him several articles and I will give him yours....he is just
making
> comments like "she needs to be learning her letter sounds (5
yr.old
> d)despite the fact that he listened to me dictate 3 sentences she
> asked for and she wrote all the letters on her own...she couldn't
do
> that a week ago! "He needs to be doing his math ...he can't even
> add 5 + 2! (son with LDs)...my husband says he can't handle it
much
> longer...I keep telling him he has got to look outside of the
box.
> He is now trying to force my son to read i.e. with his Caesar game
> he is struggling with stages and my husband tells him to read the
> pop up boxes ...my son just says "I did" and doesn't ask for help
> anymore (he did not read them). He sat down with him last night
to
> read and made him read to him(dad)and it was labored and it upsets
> me. He is becoming more reluctant to read or do anything remotely
> like schoolwork and I don't blame him...I expected it. I am sorry
> for such a long post, it just comes at a moment when my dh left to
> run errands and I can tell he is about to blow in regards to the
> childrens' education. I don't know what else to do to help him
> understand. I'll invite him to ask questions of the group, but I
> don't know if he will and he is about to leave for a few weeks (we
> will miss him yes, but it will offer some reprieve). I should
stop
> rambling, I just know we are doing the right thing, but my dh's
> support is wearing off. Thanks again Sandra for the article.
> Michelle
>
>
>
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> > -=-Sandra,
> > I think I might be missing something here...which article on
your
> > site? (via the link). Is it a new one?
> > Michelle
> > -=-
> >
> > DOH!
> > I'm so used to writing unschooling I failed (again) to
> write "deschooling"
> > and I havne't yet linked it from the other pages.
> >
> > Very, very sorry.
> >
> >
> > http://sandradodd.com/deschooling
> >
> > -------
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> > > Okay.
> > > I see that the current issue is online and my column did not
> make
> > the online
> > > cut this time, and I'm assured most or all of the subscription
> > issues are in
> > > mailboxes around the world and so!
> > >
> > > http://sandradodd.com/unschooling
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is now made readable online. BUT I don't want anyone to
fail
> > to get the
> > > new issue of HEM because of that! I'm serious. Buy it!
> > Subscribe! give it
> > > to your friends for Christmas!<g>
> > >
> > > Sandra
>
>
>
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Michelle, your dh sounds way too similar to mine! He has confidence in hs but for unschooling?! He's not sure. Its too out there for him. But he's trying.
How old is you ds?
Does he need you just to play a few games with him and have fun? I know that's what helps with my kids. Or just sitting and talking with them, individually. My undivided attention for a little bit can go a long way.
I don't think you gave him too many freedoms too soon, could it just be him getting used to his new life. You know..deschooling and all that?
I'm glad you wrote, I'm up in the middle of the night, wide awake and its nice to read an e-mail!
Take Care,
Kelli
mabeitzel wrote:Thanks Kelli for the vote of confidence! And everyone else's
suggestions. It certainly helps. I leave articles out for him and
he reads them. He does not always finish them though. He told me
the other day, "maybe I don't want to understand what you are
doing"...???..."it is too different." Geez, what can I do? He will
need to see proof and while I see a lot of it and point it out he is
caught up on comparing our son....big mistake I know. I tell him
constantly how comparing will never work especially with a child
with LD's. Even if ds "caught up" with all the rest, he'd probably
still be dissapointed. Deep seated issues...we talked about him
dealing with those. Dh does know that homeschooling is right, but
unschooling is a different ballgame. On another note, my ds has
been very emotional the past few days. He is pulling away from any
reading (me reading to him!), etc. He is having quite a few
outbursts lately that have suprised me, but maybe he is adjusting?
Has anyone experienced this? My dh says I have given too much
freedom too quickly that I should have eased off. I imagine we'll
pass through this. Meanwhile, I have to figure out how to tell the
principal that I do not want any services for him at all....she is
going to give me @#$% for that. Pull up my boot straps I guess.
Thanks for all the help,
Michelle




--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@y...>
wrote:
>
> Michelle, Does it help to show him examples of things you've done
that havn't worked? For me, I have to say,You know, when I was
reading all those notations to him and making him read all the
descriptions on those games he really closed up on me and he didn't
even want to play them any more. It really stopped him learning
right in its tracks. My husband then doesn't take it personal and
he sees it differently. My husband goes back and forth and I am
really trying to be patient with him.
>
> We were just discussing Sandras article on spoiling children. And
we had some really good discussions. Its so nice to have a
different perspective to show him. He is worried we are spoiling my
son with the PS2. Its hard because I feel as tho' its part of his
life and learning. And I am going to have him save his money to buy
more games because I can't buy many of those!
>
> Michelle your day sounded great! Keep up your good living and I
think it will all work out!
>
> Kelli
>
> mabeitzel wrote:
>
> Thanks Sandra, I got it this time. What a wonderful article. It
is
> much needed as my husband's stress is increasing and it does
trickle
> down. He spent a day home with us (during the week)yesterday and
> asked if "this" is what the kids do all day? Even though I was
not
> feeling well with a nasty cold the kids shared with me we still
made
> some apple bread together (discussed fractions and subtracting)
and
> read together. We read from our true/false interesting fact
> cards...the kids think they are funny. My son played Caesar II
> (Build a better Rome) which he is obsessed with as is my husband.
> They played outside and watered their pumpkin seeds they had
> planted. We talked about greenhouses and the reasons why they
might
> not grow here in Okinawa. I thought it was a good day considering
I
> slept off an on and fought off congestion and a fever. Even though
I
> would like to be deschooling more comfortably. Nevertheless, my
> husband has been supportive, but it is wearing off. I have given
> him several articles and I will give him yours....he is just
making
> comments like "she needs to be learning her letter sounds (5
yr.old
> d)despite the fact that he listened to me dictate 3 sentences she
> asked for and she wrote all the letters on her own...she couldn't
do
> that a week ago! "He needs to be doing his math ...he can't even
> add 5 + 2! (son with LDs)...my husband says he can't handle it
much
> longer...I keep telling him he has got to look outside of the
box.
> He is now trying to force my son to read i.e. with his Caesar game
> he is struggling with stages and my husband tells him to read the
> pop up boxes ...my son just says "I did" and doesn't ask for help
> anymore (he did not read them). He sat down with him last night
to
> read and made him read to him(dad)and it was labored and it upsets
> me. He is becoming more reluctant to read or do anything remotely
> like schoolwork and I don't blame him...I expected it. I am sorry
> for such a long post, it just comes at a moment when my dh left to
> run errands and I can tell he is about to blow in regards to the
> childrens' education. I don't know what else to do to help him
> understand. I'll invite him to ask questions of the group, but I
> don't know if he will and he is about to leave for a few weeks (we
> will miss him yes, but it will offer some reprieve). I should
stop
> rambling, I just know we are doing the right thing, but my dh's
> support is wearing off. Thanks again Sandra for the article.
> Michelle
>
>
>
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> > -=-Sandra,
> > I think I might be missing something here...which article on
your
> > site? (via the link). Is it a new one?
> > Michelle
> > -=-
> >
> > DOH!
> > I'm so used to writing unschooling I failed (again) to
> write "deschooling"
> > and I havne't yet linked it from the other pages.
> >
> > Very, very sorry.
> >
> >
> > http://sandradodd.com/deschooling
> >
> > -------
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> > > Okay.
> > > I see that the current issue is online and my column did not
> make
> > the online
> > > cut this time, and I'm assured most or all of the subscription
> > issues are in
> > > mailboxes around the world and so!
> > >
> > > http://sandradodd.com/unschooling
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is now made readable online. BUT I don't want anyone to
fail
> > to get the
> > > new issue of HEM because of that! I'm serious. Buy it!
> > Subscribe! give it
> > > to your friends for Christmas!<g>
> > >
> > > Sandra
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mabeitzel

Hi Kelli,
My ds is 8. my dd is 5. Yes, unschooling is "out there" for him.
It is a stretch for sure! He is a military man to the bone and that
interferes with his mindset too much (in my opinion). Up late huh?
I will be tonight...dh left for Hawaii to get laser surgery on his
eyes and will be gone for about 2 weeks. I don't like him going
alone, or him being gone, but it does give us a bit of freedom from
the stress and the same for him as well. I'm sure I'll be attached
to the computer all night. Games? Matter of fact today I bought
3! We are off to play either Green Eggs and Ham, Jr. Monopoly
Dinosaur version, or Payday (may be a little tough)...or paint and
erupt a volcano!! Fun!!!
Thanks again Kelli
Michelle



--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@y...>
wrote:
>
> Michelle, your dh sounds way too similar to mine! He has
confidence in hs but for unschooling?! He's not sure. Its too out
there for him. But he's trying.
> How old is you ds?
> Does he need you just to play a few games with him and have fun?
I know that's what helps with my kids. Or just sitting and talking
with them, individually. My undivided attention for a little bit
can go a long way.
> I don't think you gave him too many freedoms too soon, could it
just be him getting used to his new life. You know..deschooling and
all that?
> I'm glad you wrote, I'm up in the middle of the night, wide awake
and its nice to read an e-mail!
> Take Care,
> Kelli
> mabeitzel wrote:Thanks Kelli for the vote of confidence! And
everyone else's
> suggestions. It certainly helps. I leave articles out for him and
> he reads them. He does not always finish them though. He told me
> the other day, "maybe I don't want to understand what you are
> doing"...???..."it is too different." Geez, what can I do? He
will
> need to see proof and while I see a lot of it and point it out he
is
> caught up on comparing our son....big mistake I know. I tell him
> constantly how comparing will never work especially with a child
> with LD's. Even if ds "caught up" with all the rest, he'd
probably
> still be dissapointed. Deep seated issues...we talked about him
> dealing with those. Dh does know that homeschooling is right, but
> unschooling is a different ballgame. On another note, my ds has
> been very emotional the past few days. He is pulling away from
any
> reading (me reading to him!), etc. He is having quite a few
> outbursts lately that have suprised me, but maybe he is
adjusting?
> Has anyone experienced this? My dh says I have given too much
> freedom too quickly that I should have eased off. I imagine we'll
> pass through this. Meanwhile, I have to figure out how to tell
the
> principal that I do not want any services for him at all....she is
> going to give me @#$% for that. Pull up my boot straps I guess.
> Thanks for all the help,
> Michelle
>
>
>
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Michelle, Does it help to show him examples of things you've
done
> that havn't worked? For me, I have to say,You know, when I was
> reading all those notations to him and making him read all the
> descriptions on those games he really closed up on me and he
didn't
> even want to play them any more. It really stopped him learning
> right in its tracks. My husband then doesn't take it personal and
> he sees it differently. My husband goes back and forth and I am
> really trying to be patient with him.
> >
> > We were just discussing Sandras article on spoiling children.
And
> we had some really good discussions. Its so nice to have a
> different perspective to show him. He is worried we are spoiling
my
> son with the PS2. Its hard because I feel as tho' its part of his
> life and learning. And I am going to have him save his money to
buy
> more games because I can't buy many of those!
> >
> > Michelle your day sounded great! Keep up your good living and I
> think it will all work out!
> >
> > Kelli
> >
> > mabeitzel wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Sandra, I got it this time. What a wonderful article.
It
> is
> > much needed as my husband's stress is increasing and it does
> trickle
> > down. He spent a day home with us (during the week)yesterday
and
> > asked if "this" is what the kids do all day? Even though I was
> not
> > feeling well with a nasty cold the kids shared with me we still
> made
> > some apple bread together (discussed fractions and subtracting)
> and
> > read together. We read from our true/false interesting fact
> > cards...the kids think they are funny. My son played Caesar II
> > (Build a better Rome) which he is obsessed with as is my
husband.
> > They played outside and watered their pumpkin seeds they had
> > planted. We talked about greenhouses and the reasons why they
> might
> > not grow here in Okinawa. I thought it was a good day
considering
> I
> > slept off an on and fought off congestion and a fever. Even
though
> I
> > would like to be deschooling more comfortably. Nevertheless, my
> > husband has been supportive, but it is wearing off. I have
given
> > him several articles and I will give him yours....he is just
> making
> > comments like "she needs to be learning her letter sounds (5
> yr.old
> > d)despite the fact that he listened to me dictate 3 sentences
she
> > asked for and she wrote all the letters on her own...she
couldn't
> do
> > that a week ago! "He needs to be doing his math ...he can't
even
> > add 5 + 2! (son with LDs)...my husband says he can't handle it
> much
> > longer...I keep telling him he has got to look outside of the
> box.
> > He is now trying to force my son to read i.e. with his Caesar
game
> > he is struggling with stages and my husband tells him to read
the
> > pop up boxes ...my son just says "I did" and doesn't ask for
help
> > anymore (he did not read them). He sat down with him last night
> to
> > read and made him read to him(dad)and it was labored and it
upsets
> > me. He is becoming more reluctant to read or do anything
remotely
> > like schoolwork and I don't blame him...I expected it. I am
sorry
> > for such a long post, it just comes at a moment when my dh left
to
> > run errands and I can tell he is about to blow in regards to the
> > childrens' education. I don't know what else to do to help him
> > understand. I'll invite him to ask questions of the group, but
I
> > don't know if he will and he is about to leave for a few weeks
(we
> > will miss him yes, but it will offer some reprieve). I should
> stop
> > rambling, I just know we are doing the right thing, but my dh's
> > support is wearing off. Thanks again Sandra for the article.
> > Michelle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> > > -=-Sandra,
> > > I think I might be missing something here...which article on
> your
> > > site? (via the link). Is it a new one?
> > > Michelle
> > > -=-
> > >
> > > DOH!
> > > I'm so used to writing unschooling I failed (again) to
> > write "deschooling"
> > > and I havne't yet linked it from the other pages.
> > >
> > > Very, very sorry.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://sandradodd.com/deschooling
> > >
> > > -------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> > > > Okay.
> > > > I see that the current issue is online and my column did not
> > make
> > > the online
> > > > cut this time, and I'm assured most or all of the
subscription
> > > issues are in
> > > > mailboxes around the world and so!
> > > >
> > > > http://sandradodd.com/unschooling
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is now made readable online. BUT I don't want anyone to
> fail
> > > to get the
> > > > new issue of HEM because of that! I'm serious. Buy it!
> > > Subscribe! give it
> > > > to your friends for Christmas!<g>
> > > >
> > > > Sandra
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT
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Kelli Traaseth

Have fun! My kids love Payday, I have mine from when I was little and they get into that, we don't have the dinosaur monopoly but my ds would love it, he's 9.
I am starting yoga to try and relieve some stress, went and did that this morning, it really made me feel better.
Have a great day!
Kelli
mabeitzel wrote:Hi Kelli,
My ds is 8. my dd is 5. Yes, unschooling is "out there" for him.
It is a stretch for sure! He is a military man to the bone and that
interferes with his mindset too much (in my opinion). Up late huh?
I will be tonight...dh left for Hawaii to get laser surgery on his
eyes and will be gone for about 2 weeks. I don't like him going
alone, or him being gone, but it does give us a bit of freedom from
the stress and the same for him as well. I'm sure I'll be attached
to the computer all night. Games? Matter of fact today I bought
3! We are off to play either Green Eggs and Ham, Jr. Monopoly
Dinosaur version, or Payday (may be a little tough)...or paint and
erupt a volcano!! Fun!!!
Thanks again Kelli
Michelle



--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@y...>
wrote:
>
> Michelle, your dh sounds way too similar to mine! He has
confidence in hs but for unschooling?! He's not sure. Its too out
there for him. But he's trying.
> How old is you ds?
> Does he need you just to play a few games with him and have fun?
I know that's what helps with my kids. Or just sitting and talking
with them, individually. My undivided attention for a little bit
can go a long way.
> I don't think you gave him too many freedoms too soon, could it
just be him getting used to his new life. You know..deschooling and
all that?
> I'm glad you wrote, I'm up in the middle of the night, wide awake
and its nice to read an e-mail!
> Take Care,
> Kelli
> mabeitzel wrote:Thanks Kelli for the vote of confidence! And
everyone else's
> suggestions. It certainly helps. I leave articles out for him and
> he reads them. He does not always finish them though. He told me
> the other day, "maybe I don't want to understand what you are
> doing"...???..."it is too different." Geez, what can I do? He
will
> need to see proof and while I see a lot of it and point it out he
is
> caught up on comparing our son....big mistake I know. I tell him
> constantly how comparing will never work especially with a child
> with LD's. Even if ds "caught up" with all the rest, he'd
probably
> still be dissapointed. Deep seated issues...we talked about him
> dealing with those. Dh does know that homeschooling is right, but
> unschooling is a different ballgame. On another note, my ds has
> been very emotional the past few days. He is pulling away from
any
> reading (me reading to him!), etc. He is having quite a few
> outbursts lately that have suprised me, but maybe he is
adjusting?
> Has anyone experienced this? My dh says I have given too much
> freedom too quickly that I should have eased off. I imagine we'll
> pass through this. Meanwhile, I have to figure out how to tell
the
> principal that I do not want any services for him at all....she is
> going to give me @#$% for that. Pull up my boot straps I guess.
> Thanks for all the help,
> Michelle
>
>
>
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Kelli Traaseth <kellitraas@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Michelle, Does it help to show him examples of things you've
done
> that havn't worked? For me, I have to say,You know, when I was
> reading all those notations to him and making him read all the
> descriptions on those games he really closed up on me and he
didn't
> even want to play them any more. It really stopped him learning
> right in its tracks. My husband then doesn't take it personal and
> he sees it differently. My husband goes back and forth and I am
> really trying to be patient with him.
> >
> > We were just discussing Sandras article on spoiling children.
And
> we had some really good discussions. Its so nice to have a
> different perspective to show him. He is worried we are spoiling
my
> son with the PS2. Its hard because I feel as tho' its part of his
> life and learning. And I am going to have him save his money to
buy
> more games because I can't buy many of those!
> >
> > Michelle your day sounded great! Keep up your good living and I
> think it will all work out!
> >
> > Kelli
> >
> > mabeitzel wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Sandra, I got it this time. What a wonderful article.
It
> is
> > much needed as my husband's stress is increasing and it does
> trickle
> > down. He spent a day home with us (during the week)yesterday
and
> > asked if "this" is what the kids do all day? Even though I was
> not
> > feeling well with a nasty cold the kids shared with me we still
> made
> > some apple bread together (discussed fractions and subtracting)
> and
> > read together. We read from our true/false interesting fact
> > cards...the kids think they are funny. My son played Caesar II
> > (Build a better Rome) which he is obsessed with as is my
husband.
> > They played outside and watered their pumpkin seeds they had
> > planted. We talked about greenhouses and the reasons why they
> might
> > not grow here in Okinawa. I thought it was a good day
considering
> I
> > slept off an on and fought off congestion and a fever. Even
though
> I
> > would like to be deschooling more comfortably. Nevertheless, my
> > husband has been supportive, but it is wearing off. I have
given
> > him several articles and I will give him yours....he is just
> making
> > comments like "she needs to be learning her letter sounds (5
> yr.old
> > d)despite the fact that he listened to me dictate 3 sentences
she
> > asked for and she wrote all the letters on her own...she
couldn't
> do
> > that a week ago! "He needs to be doing his math ...he can't
even
> > add 5 + 2! (son with LDs)...my husband says he can't handle it
> much
> > longer...I keep telling him he has got to look outside of the
> box.
> > He is now trying to force my son to read i.e. with his Caesar
game
> > he is struggling with stages and my husband tells him to read
the
> > pop up boxes ...my son just says "I did" and doesn't ask for
help
> > anymore (he did not read them). He sat down with him last night
> to
> > read and made him read to him(dad)and it was labored and it
upsets
> > me. He is becoming more reluctant to read or do anything
remotely
> > like schoolwork and I don't blame him...I expected it. I am
sorry
> > for such a long post, it just comes at a moment when my dh left
to
> > run errands and I can tell he is about to blow in regards to the
> > childrens' education. I don't know what else to do to help him
> > understand. I'll invite him to ask questions of the group, but
I
> > don't know if he will and he is about to leave for a few weeks
(we
> > will miss him yes, but it will offer some reprieve). I should
> stop
> > rambling, I just know we are doing the right thing, but my dh's
> > support is wearing off. Thanks again Sandra for the article.
> > Michelle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> > > -=-Sandra,
> > > I think I might be missing something here...which article on
> your
> > > site? (via the link). Is it a new one?
> > > Michelle
> > > -=-
> > >
> > > DOH!
> > > I'm so used to writing unschooling I failed (again) to
> > write "deschooling"
> > > and I havne't yet linked it from the other pages.
> > >
> > > Very, very sorry.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://sandradodd.com/deschooling
> > >
> > > -------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> > > > Okay.
> > > > I see that the current issue is online and my column did not
> > make
> > > the online
> > > > cut this time, and I'm assured most or all of the
subscription
> > > issues are in
> > > > mailboxes around the world and so!
> > > >
> > > > http://sandradodd.com/unschooling
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is now made readable online. BUT I don't want anyone to
> fail
> > > to get the
> > > > new issue of HEM because of that! I'm serious. Buy it!
> > > Subscribe! give it
> > > > to your friends for Christmas!<g>
> > > >
> > > > Sandra
> >
> >
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mabeitzel

Kelli,
The dinosaur monopoly is great! You have to get a matching pair of
dino tracks and then you can buy them. You also get the card
telling you all of the facts about that specific dinosaur...really
neat learning tool. Yoga is really great! I took it in a tai chi
blend. Before we left the states, I took tai chi which really helps
to quiet my mind...still looking for it here :)
Michelle