Home School Legal Defense
kenyonbook
Hello all....
I have a question I hope someone can help me with. Another
homeschooler keeps calling me to get together. She just started a
home school support group in this area and has 20 mothers signed
up. That's all fine and dandy even if I personally am not a meeting
person and know for a fact that this woman just doesn't
"get" unschooling. No matter how many times I have informed her I am
an unschooler, she asks me the same thing every time she ends up
conversing with me "what curriculum do you use?" Anyway, I just
found out that at the next meeting she is bring someone in from the
Home School Legal Defense organization and reccomending that
everyone join. When she called me (since I didn't go to their last
meeting) and asked me if I belonged I said no, and that I never
would. Well, she pushed and pushed and I didn't have a definitive
answer as to why not, and wondered if any of you can lead me to some
good articles on this subject. I used to be like that with
immunizations, I knew I didn't want them but not exactly why. Now I
know exactly why and my doctor didn't hassle me because I knew
exactly why. I want to be very sure on this subject so I can
explain it to this woman and get her off my back..... :o)
Mary
I have a question I hope someone can help me with. Another
homeschooler keeps calling me to get together. She just started a
home school support group in this area and has 20 mothers signed
up. That's all fine and dandy even if I personally am not a meeting
person and know for a fact that this woman just doesn't
"get" unschooling. No matter how many times I have informed her I am
an unschooler, she asks me the same thing every time she ends up
conversing with me "what curriculum do you use?" Anyway, I just
found out that at the next meeting she is bring someone in from the
Home School Legal Defense organization and reccomending that
everyone join. When she called me (since I didn't go to their last
meeting) and asked me if I belonged I said no, and that I never
would. Well, she pushed and pushed and I didn't have a definitive
answer as to why not, and wondered if any of you can lead me to some
good articles on this subject. I used to be like that with
immunizations, I knew I didn't want them but not exactly why. Now I
know exactly why and my doctor didn't hassle me because I knew
exactly why. I want to be very sure on this subject so I can
explain it to this woman and get her off my back..... :o)
Mary
Rachel Ann
Why I haven't joined hslda
Because I don't need to or want to.
Real simple...
but why do you feel compelled to give an answer? I can understand re the doctor. S/he will be treating your kids and you want someone who isn't going to make trouble for you. If s/he knows that you understand the reprecussions of your decision, if s/he feels you aren't just making the decision because it is the current fad, then you don't have an adversary, you have an advocate...or you find yourself another doctor!
But what business is it of hers what org. you belong to? Let's say I started a club for people with left-handed children, and you had a left handed children but really didn't care to join the club...why would you need to give reasons? Isn't it enough that you don't want to? This isn't a matter of health, it is a matter of desire.
You don't owe the woman any type of explanation...
Why not say: because I don't want to. Why are you so interested? Maybe then she'll clue you into why she cares so much.
Or you can be silly: maybe act real mysterious and say something like: They told me not to! and when she says who, just go They did! soto voice, all the while looking around in a spooked sort of way...
As far as the curriculm goes tell her your children wrote it. It costs $550 for the first child, and $350 for each additonal child. Does she want to buy it?
Hey, just mho. Good luck!
be well,
Rachel Ann
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Because I don't need to or want to.
Real simple...
but why do you feel compelled to give an answer? I can understand re the doctor. S/he will be treating your kids and you want someone who isn't going to make trouble for you. If s/he knows that you understand the reprecussions of your decision, if s/he feels you aren't just making the decision because it is the current fad, then you don't have an adversary, you have an advocate...or you find yourself another doctor!
But what business is it of hers what org. you belong to? Let's say I started a club for people with left-handed children, and you had a left handed children but really didn't care to join the club...why would you need to give reasons? Isn't it enough that you don't want to? This isn't a matter of health, it is a matter of desire.
You don't owe the woman any type of explanation...
Why not say: because I don't want to. Why are you so interested? Maybe then she'll clue you into why she cares so much.
Or you can be silly: maybe act real mysterious and say something like: They told me not to! and when she says who, just go They did! soto voice, all the while looking around in a spooked sort of way...
As far as the curriculm goes tell her your children wrote it. It costs $550 for the first child, and $350 for each additonal child. Does she want to buy it?
Hey, just mho. Good luck!
be well,
Rachel Ann
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Robyn Coburn
<<I want to be very sure on this subject so I can
explain it to this woman and get her off my back..... :o)
Mary>>
It won't work!!
This person is well-meaning, but close-minded, rude and controlling.
Sounds just like some of the school administrators folks have had to
deal with! You do **not** have to explain yourself to anyone so wholly
unconnected with you and your family. (shades of Eliza Bennett)
I am guessing that you are not feeling feisty towards this person, but
are feeling wearied. It seems like she is asking "why" not out of a
desire to learn a new philosophy (as the people on this list do) but
rather to gain ammunition for her argument.
My solution to this type of thing is refusal to engage. Firstly I check
the caller ID on my phone and don't feel compelled to answer the phone.
Then, if I have answered the phone, I would try "I'm glad that works for
you" and then stop, not referring to my reasons at all. Stopping is the
hardest part. Sometimes I have to just say, "Oh I have to go now, Jayn
needs me. Bye", if I wish to avoid the stress of an argument. (Usually
it is my mother on the other end of the line, launching into a criticism
of my husband - harder to avoid than a stranger). If you meet up with
her and she says she left a message-didn't you get it, don't get on the
defensive. Try "Oh did you". You don't have to disclose that you deleted
it unheard, muttering expletives to yourself.
Someone once said,
"A man convinced against his will,
Is of his own opinion still"
This person seems like she is enthusiastic and "believes in" HSLDA. You
won't change her mind regardless of how lucid your arguments may be. She
will see your demur as an attack on her choices. She will not stop
harassing you while you give her an opening because she will believe she
is helping you. The only way for tranquility that I have found is not to
engage her at all on the contested topic.
The doctor is a different situation, providing a service that you pay
for, and the choice for her/him could be to lose your business
altogether, plus the doc has hundreds of patients to worry about. This
other woman is on a mission, and you are one of only 21 for her focused
attention. I bet she does school-at-home too. ;D
I guess the gist of my suggestion is **you** can choose the type of
interaction you have with her, just as you have evidently made the
choice not to attend her meetings.
Good luck,
Robyn Coburn
explain it to this woman and get her off my back..... :o)
Mary>>
It won't work!!
This person is well-meaning, but close-minded, rude and controlling.
Sounds just like some of the school administrators folks have had to
deal with! You do **not** have to explain yourself to anyone so wholly
unconnected with you and your family. (shades of Eliza Bennett)
I am guessing that you are not feeling feisty towards this person, but
are feeling wearied. It seems like she is asking "why" not out of a
desire to learn a new philosophy (as the people on this list do) but
rather to gain ammunition for her argument.
My solution to this type of thing is refusal to engage. Firstly I check
the caller ID on my phone and don't feel compelled to answer the phone.
Then, if I have answered the phone, I would try "I'm glad that works for
you" and then stop, not referring to my reasons at all. Stopping is the
hardest part. Sometimes I have to just say, "Oh I have to go now, Jayn
needs me. Bye", if I wish to avoid the stress of an argument. (Usually
it is my mother on the other end of the line, launching into a criticism
of my husband - harder to avoid than a stranger). If you meet up with
her and she says she left a message-didn't you get it, don't get on the
defensive. Try "Oh did you". You don't have to disclose that you deleted
it unheard, muttering expletives to yourself.
Someone once said,
"A man convinced against his will,
Is of his own opinion still"
This person seems like she is enthusiastic and "believes in" HSLDA. You
won't change her mind regardless of how lucid your arguments may be. She
will see your demur as an attack on her choices. She will not stop
harassing you while you give her an opening because she will believe she
is helping you. The only way for tranquility that I have found is not to
engage her at all on the contested topic.
The doctor is a different situation, providing a service that you pay
for, and the choice for her/him could be to lose your business
altogether, plus the doc has hundreds of patients to worry about. This
other woman is on a mission, and you are one of only 21 for her focused
attention. I bet she does school-at-home too. ;D
I guess the gist of my suggestion is **you** can choose the type of
interaction you have with her, just as you have evidently made the
choice not to attend her meetings.
Good luck,
Robyn Coburn
Mary Bianco
>From: Rachel Ann <hindar@...><<You don't owe the woman any type of explanation...
Why not say: because I don't want to. Why are you so interested? Maybe then
she'll clue you into why she cares so much.>>
>From: "Robyn Coburn" <dezigna@...><<I am guessing that you are not feeling feisty towards this person, but
are feeling wearied. It seems like she is asking "why" not out of a
desire to learn a new philosophy (as the people on this list do) but
rather to gain ammunition for her argument.>>
This is exactly the kind of situation that can happen when I would use my
infamous and possibly rude comment of "Why do you ask?"
You will learn very quickly why she is asking, to learn or to argue. If she
says that you should join then ask her why, if she says how great it is then
ask her why. I would turn it around quickly and let her be put on the spot.
Mary B
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Kelli Traaseth
Good one Rachel Ann! I don't understand why everyone thinks its their business to worry about other peoples lives. Have you asked her why she is a member? Just a thought. I would love it if someone asked "are you enjoying homeschooling?" or "are your children happy?" That would be nice.
I know I told my dh last night that I don't remember ever being this happy. I feel so fortunate to have found unschooling. And my kids are soooo happy!I love that cheesy face!
Kelli T
Rachel Ann wrote:Why I haven't joined hslda
Because I don't need to or want to.
Real simple...
but why do you feel compelled to give an answer? I can understand re the doctor. S/he will be treating your kids and you want someone who isn't going to make trouble for you. If s/he knows that you understand the reprecussions of your decision, if s/he feels you aren't just making the decision because it is the current fad, then you don't have an adversary, you have an advocate...or you find yourself another doctor!
But what business is it of hers what org. you belong to? Let's say I started a club for people with left-handed children, and you had a left handed children but really didn't care to join the club...why would you need to give reasons? Isn't it enough that you don't want to? This isn't a matter of health, it is a matter of desire.
You don't owe the woman any type of explanation...
Why not say: because I don't want to. Why are you so interested? Maybe then she'll clue you into why she cares so much.
Or you can be silly: maybe act real mysterious and say something like: They told me not to! and when she says who, just go They did! soto voice, all the while looking around in a spooked sort of way...
As far as the curriculm goes tell her your children wrote it. It costs $550 for the first child, and $350 for each additonal child. Does she want to buy it?
Hey, just mho. Good luck!
be well,
Rachel Ann
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I know I told my dh last night that I don't remember ever being this happy. I feel so fortunate to have found unschooling. And my kids are soooo happy!I love that cheesy face!
Kelli T
Rachel Ann wrote:Why I haven't joined hslda
Because I don't need to or want to.
Real simple...
but why do you feel compelled to give an answer? I can understand re the doctor. S/he will be treating your kids and you want someone who isn't going to make trouble for you. If s/he knows that you understand the reprecussions of your decision, if s/he feels you aren't just making the decision because it is the current fad, then you don't have an adversary, you have an advocate...or you find yourself another doctor!
But what business is it of hers what org. you belong to? Let's say I started a club for people with left-handed children, and you had a left handed children but really didn't care to join the club...why would you need to give reasons? Isn't it enough that you don't want to? This isn't a matter of health, it is a matter of desire.
You don't owe the woman any type of explanation...
Why not say: because I don't want to. Why are you so interested? Maybe then she'll clue you into why she cares so much.
Or you can be silly: maybe act real mysterious and say something like: They told me not to! and when she says who, just go They did! soto voice, all the while looking around in a spooked sort of way...
As far as the curriculm goes tell her your children wrote it. It costs $550 for the first child, and $350 for each additonal child. Does she want to buy it?
Hey, just mho. Good luck!
be well,
Rachel Ann
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MO Milligans
At 07:48 PM 9/20/02 +0000, you wrote:
Check this site out...
==
Personally, I won't join them because I can't afford them, and because that
organization is real big on "school at home", and thirdly, not being a
Christian, they might not allow me to anyway, and that's just fine by me.
Todd
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
I will choose Free will" -Rush (and Todd)
http://rambleman.tripod.com/index.html
>Anyway, I just found out that at the next meeting she is bring someone in==
>from the
>Home School Legal Defense organization and reccomending that everyone
>join. When she called me (since I didn't go to their last meeting) and
>asked me if I belonged I said no, and that I never would. Well, she
>pushed and pushed and I didn't have a definitive answer as to why not, and
>wondered if any of you can lead me to some good articles on this subject.
Check this site out...
>Do We Need a Homeschoolhttp://folchslda.homestead.com/Need.html
>Legal "Insurance" Organization?
>Many Homeschooling Parents Believe the Answer is "No."
==
Personally, I won't join them because I can't afford them, and because that
organization is real big on "school at home", and thirdly, not being a
Christian, they might not allow me to anyway, and that's just fine by me.
Todd
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
I will choose Free will" -Rush (and Todd)
http://rambleman.tripod.com/index.html
[email protected]
-=-Why not say: because I don't want to. Why are you so interested? Maybe
then she'll clue you into why she cares so much.-=-
Most of us know why she cares so much. What SHE doesn't know is why anyone
would decline to join.
Information is power.
<< It seems like she is asking "why" not out of a
desire to learn a new philosophy (as the people on this list do) but
rather to gain ammunition for her argument. >>
I would give her reasons.
Those who DO subscribe to HSLDA seem to do so without checking past the sales
pitch they're given. Those who do look further are usually shocked.
<<My solution to this type of thing is refusal to engage. Firstly I check
the caller ID on my phone and don't feel compelled to answer the phone.
Then, if I have answered the phone, I would try "I'm glad that works for
you" and then stop, not referring to my reasons at all.>>
How do others learn more without input?
If all of us here refused to engage, a lot of information would NOT be being
shared.
-=-This person seems like she is enthusiastic and "believes in" HSLDA. You
won't change her mind regardless of how lucid your arguments may be. -=-
Never trying is never knowing.
Anyone here who isn't sure why it IS worth answering questions about HSLDA
should look at one or more of these links:
http://folchslda.homestead.com/WhoWhy.html
http://www.home-ed-magazine.com/seelhoffvs.welch/intro.html
http://www.gomilpitas.com/homeschooling/articles/102299.htm
then she'll clue you into why she cares so much.-=-
Most of us know why she cares so much. What SHE doesn't know is why anyone
would decline to join.
Information is power.
<< It seems like she is asking "why" not out of a
desire to learn a new philosophy (as the people on this list do) but
rather to gain ammunition for her argument. >>
I would give her reasons.
Those who DO subscribe to HSLDA seem to do so without checking past the sales
pitch they're given. Those who do look further are usually shocked.
<<My solution to this type of thing is refusal to engage. Firstly I check
the caller ID on my phone and don't feel compelled to answer the phone.
Then, if I have answered the phone, I would try "I'm glad that works for
you" and then stop, not referring to my reasons at all.>>
How do others learn more without input?
If all of us here refused to engage, a lot of information would NOT be being
shared.
-=-This person seems like she is enthusiastic and "believes in" HSLDA. You
won't change her mind regardless of how lucid your arguments may be. -=-
Never trying is never knowing.
Anyone here who isn't sure why it IS worth answering questions about HSLDA
should look at one or more of these links:
http://folchslda.homestead.com/WhoWhy.html
http://www.home-ed-magazine.com/seelhoffvs.welch/intro.html
http://www.gomilpitas.com/homeschooling/articles/102299.htm
Judy
I sure was shocked when I originally looked into it!
blech.
-Judy
SandraDodd@... wrote:
blech.
-Judy
SandraDodd@... wrote:
> -=-Why not say: because I don't want to. Why are you so interested?ADVERTISEMENT
> Maybe
> then she'll clue you into why she cares so much.-=-
>
> Most of us know why she cares so much. What SHE doesn't know is why
> anyone
> would decline to join.
>
> Information is power.
>
> << It seems like she is asking "why" not out of a
> desire to learn a new philosophy (as the people on this list do) but
> rather to gain ammunition for her argument. >>
>
> I would give her reasons.
>
> Those who DO subscribe to HSLDA seem to do so without checking past
> the sales
> pitch they're given. Those who do look further are usually shocked.
>
> <<My solution to this type of thing is refusal to engage. Firstly I
> check
> the caller ID on my phone and don't feel compelled to answer the
> phone.
> Then, if I have answered the phone, I would try "I'm glad that works
> for
> you" and then stop, not referring to my reasons at all.>>
>
> How do others learn more without input?
> If all of us here refused to engage, a lot of information would NOT be
> being
> shared.
>
> -=-This person seems like she is enthusiastic and "believes in" HSLDA.
> You
> won't change her mind regardless of how lucid your arguments may be.
> -=-
>
> Never trying is never knowing.
>
> Anyone here who isn't sure why it IS worth answering questions about
> HSLDA
> should look at one or more of these links:
>
> http://folchslda.homestead.com/WhoWhy.html
>
> http://www.home-ed-magazine.com/seelhoffvs.welch/intro.html
>
> http://www.gomilpitas.com/homeschooling/articles/102299.htm
>
>
>
>
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Liza Sabater
Not only are her tactics scuzzy but what are you paying for? HSLDA is
not legal insurance. There is a battle royal going on the NHEN
Legislative list. If you want to learn more about this organization
and the issues surrounding it, it would be wise to read the lists
archives. Go to http://www.nhen.org to join.
Liza
not legal insurance. There is a battle royal going on the NHEN
Legislative list. If you want to learn more about this organization
and the issues surrounding it, it would be wise to read the lists
archives. Go to http://www.nhen.org to join.
Liza
>I believe it's possible that HSDLA has membership discounts for support[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>groups who all join together.
>
>I don't know all the ins and outs, but it's possible that if your
>acquiantence can get enough people together to join as a group, then the
>rate that she personally pays (and you and the other members pay) may be less.
>
>Betsy
Betsy
I believe it's possible that HSDLA has membership discounts for support
groups who all join together.
I don't know all the ins and outs, but it's possible that if your
acquiantence can get enough people together to join as a group, then the
rate that she personally pays (and you and the other members pay) may be less.
Betsy
groups who all join together.
I don't know all the ins and outs, but it's possible that if your
acquiantence can get enough people together to join as a group, then the
rate that she personally pays (and you and the other members pay) may be less.
Betsy
Robyn Coburn
<<How do others learn more without input?
If all of us here refused to engage, a lot of information would NOT be
being
shared.....
.... Never trying is never knowing.>>
My suggestion about disengaging was because Mary's (it was Mary wasn't
it?) stated issue was how to get the woman "off her back", not "how do I
help my friend see the negatives of HSLDA?" My reply was not about HSLDA
specifically, but about how to lessen the intrusion into Mary's life of
a person who demonstrably, according to the original post, (1) does not
listen, and (2) is annoying her.
Since unschooling is about giving the information that is asked for,
rather than imposing information on an unwilling victim, I am sure
no-one on this list would be advocating not answering genuine questions
if we have knowledge to share. That was not my intention at any rate.
Only Mary can be the judge of the receptiveness of this woman (I feel
like calling her Madam X or something) from their previous interactions.
Other than that she could choose to be a "subversive" influence by
distributing the HSLDA information gleaned from these websites to the
other 20 families.
Maybe it would be as simple as saying to her, "These websites helped me
make my decision." Notice the finality of the past tense. Or maybe that
would let Mary in for a lengthy dissertation on the problems of
discerning veracity from internet sites. How much energy does Mary want
to expend in this direction? I don't know, but I bet Mary has a very
clear idea.
Robyn Coburn
If all of us here refused to engage, a lot of information would NOT be
being
shared.....
.... Never trying is never knowing.>>
My suggestion about disengaging was because Mary's (it was Mary wasn't
it?) stated issue was how to get the woman "off her back", not "how do I
help my friend see the negatives of HSLDA?" My reply was not about HSLDA
specifically, but about how to lessen the intrusion into Mary's life of
a person who demonstrably, according to the original post, (1) does not
listen, and (2) is annoying her.
Since unschooling is about giving the information that is asked for,
rather than imposing information on an unwilling victim, I am sure
no-one on this list would be advocating not answering genuine questions
if we have knowledge to share. That was not my intention at any rate.
Only Mary can be the judge of the receptiveness of this woman (I feel
like calling her Madam X or something) from their previous interactions.
Other than that she could choose to be a "subversive" influence by
distributing the HSLDA information gleaned from these websites to the
other 20 families.
Maybe it would be as simple as saying to her, "These websites helped me
make my decision." Notice the finality of the past tense. Or maybe that
would let Mary in for a lengthy dissertation on the problems of
discerning veracity from internet sites. How much energy does Mary want
to expend in this direction? I don't know, but I bet Mary has a very
clear idea.
Robyn Coburn
Fetteroll
I think the link Sandra provided links to the More Information about HSLDA
page. (It's subtitled: Do You Know All You Need to Know in Order to Decide
Whether it is in Your Best Interest to Join?) But in case it doesn't, here's
a direct link:
http://folchslda.homestead.com/MoreInfo.html
Joyce
page. (It's subtitled: Do You Know All You Need to Know in Order to Decide
Whether it is in Your Best Interest to Join?) But in case it doesn't, here's
a direct link:
http://folchslda.homestead.com/MoreInfo.html
Joyce
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/20/02 9:55:25 PM, ecsamhill@... writes:
<< I don't know all the ins and outs, but it's possible that if your
acquiantence can get enough people together to join as a group, then the
rate that she personally pays (and you and the other members pay) may be
less. >>
Then she would have said that.
I think if one person gets lots of others to join maybe theirs is discounted
or free.
I vaguely remember hearing that many years ago.
<< I don't know all the ins and outs, but it's possible that if your
acquiantence can get enough people together to join as a group, then the
rate that she personally pays (and you and the other members pay) may be
less. >>
Then she would have said that.
I think if one person gets lots of others to join maybe theirs is discounted
or free.
I vaguely remember hearing that many years ago.
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/20/02 11:15:04 PM, dezigna@... writes:
<< Maybe it would be as simple as saying to her, "These websites helped me
make my decision." Notice the finality of the past tense. >>
I like that one!
<< Maybe it would be as simple as saying to her, "These websites helped me
make my decision." Notice the finality of the past tense. >>
I like that one!
Kelli Traaseth
Sandra or anyone else who might know,
I am just now learning about all these things that your below links involved.
Have the Seelhoffs began publishing again? I checked their Gentle Spirit and it was last updated '91. Do you know what has become of them recently?
I am just appalled at these stories. I can't believe that people can actually claim to be Christian and then be such vindictive people!
I think the Seelhoffs could make a movie and never have to worry about finances again! Maybe they already did OK with their settlement.
All I know is that its pretty unbelievable!!
Sitting in disbelief,
Kelli
SandraDodd@... wrote:-=-Why not say: because I don't want to. Why are you so interested? Maybe
then she'll clue you into why she cares so much.-=-
Most of us know why she cares so much. What SHE doesn't know is why anyone
would decline to join.
Information is power.
<< It seems like she is asking "why" not out of a
desire to learn a new philosophy (as the people on this list do) but
rather to gain ammunition for her argument. >>
I would give her reasons.
Those who DO subscribe to HSLDA seem to do so without checking past the sales
pitch they're given. Those who do look further are usually shocked.
<<My solution to this type of thing is refusal to engage. Firstly I check
the caller ID on my phone and don't feel compelled to answer the phone.
Then, if I have answered the phone, I would try "I'm glad that works for
you" and then stop, not referring to my reasons at all.>>
How do others learn more without input?
If all of us here refused to engage, a lot of information would NOT be being
shared.
-=-This person seems like she is enthusiastic and "believes in" HSLDA. You
won't change her mind regardless of how lucid your arguments may be. -=-
Never trying is never knowing.
Anyone here who isn't sure why it IS worth answering questions about HSLDA
should look at one or more of these links:
http://folchslda.homestead.com/WhoWhy.html
http://www.home-ed-magazine.com/seelhoffvs.welch/intro.html
http://www.gomilpitas.com/homeschooling/articles/102299.htm
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I am just now learning about all these things that your below links involved.
Have the Seelhoffs began publishing again? I checked their Gentle Spirit and it was last updated '91. Do you know what has become of them recently?
I am just appalled at these stories. I can't believe that people can actually claim to be Christian and then be such vindictive people!
I think the Seelhoffs could make a movie and never have to worry about finances again! Maybe they already did OK with their settlement.
All I know is that its pretty unbelievable!!
Sitting in disbelief,
Kelli
SandraDodd@... wrote:-=-Why not say: because I don't want to. Why are you so interested? Maybe
then she'll clue you into why she cares so much.-=-
Most of us know why she cares so much. What SHE doesn't know is why anyone
would decline to join.
Information is power.
<< It seems like she is asking "why" not out of a
desire to learn a new philosophy (as the people on this list do) but
rather to gain ammunition for her argument. >>
I would give her reasons.
Those who DO subscribe to HSLDA seem to do so without checking past the sales
pitch they're given. Those who do look further are usually shocked.
<<My solution to this type of thing is refusal to engage. Firstly I check
the caller ID on my phone and don't feel compelled to answer the phone.
Then, if I have answered the phone, I would try "I'm glad that works for
you" and then stop, not referring to my reasons at all.>>
How do others learn more without input?
If all of us here refused to engage, a lot of information would NOT be being
shared.
-=-This person seems like she is enthusiastic and "believes in" HSLDA. You
won't change her mind regardless of how lucid your arguments may be. -=-
Never trying is never knowing.
Anyone here who isn't sure why it IS worth answering questions about HSLDA
should look at one or more of these links:
http://folchslda.homestead.com/WhoWhy.html
http://www.home-ed-magazine.com/seelhoffvs.welch/intro.html
http://www.gomilpitas.com/homeschooling/articles/102299.htm
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In a message dated 9/22/02 6:48:34 AM, kellitraas@... writes:
<< Have the Seelhoffs began publishing again? I checked their Gentle Spirit
and it was last updated '91. Do you know what has become of them recently? >>
Cheryl published several more issues after the settlement, but the magazine
folded gracefully the second time. There is a discussion forum online,
still, I believe.
http://www.gentlespirit.com/
There's the new stuff.
Sandra
<< Have the Seelhoffs began publishing again? I checked their Gentle Spirit
and it was last updated '91. Do you know what has become of them recently? >>
Cheryl published several more issues after the settlement, but the magazine
folded gracefully the second time. There is a discussion forum online,
still, I believe.
http://www.gentlespirit.com/
There's the new stuff.
Sandra