Re: Medication
Virginia Chiasson
> Why would an unschooler choose the path of medicating their children?Despite the fact that I am taking my child out of school, DSS is still a
> There's no need for ritalin, since the child doesn't need to be
> confined in a classroom and forced to sit and behave.
part of our lives. When I tried to resist putting Chris on Concerta they
said that my refusal was tantamount to parental neglect and that they would
remove him from my care for neglect if I did not medicate. That will not
change with bringing Chris home. Michael and I are planning to relocate
outside of SC (as far outside as I can get) just as soon as we can afford to
do so. Then I will have the legal freedom to choose whether or not to
medicate without fear of having my child taken from me. Until then I
medicate. I am in the process of making the psychiatrists re-evaluate his
medication (Chris has another appointment in three weeks.) But this too will
be a long process.
Unlike many parents with children who were "diagnosed" with ADHD, I do
believe that my child is having a medical problem. He hears and sees things
that we do not, talks to himself all the time, and has... to one degree or
another...many of the behavioral problems that the teachers claim. Some
children do need medication to function, even in an unschooled environment.
The problem is that children end up getting hung with the ADHD label if
their behavior falls outside of the accepted norm. The fact is that some
ADHD kids are actually suffering from other problems (juvenile bipolar
disorder, allergies to foods and environmental factors, allergies to
vaccines, early onset pschzo-affective disorder, Touretts, etc) and the
teachers know that it will be easier to medicate and zombie these kids than
to try and convince someone to examine their behaviors and treat them
accurately.
It is far easier for them to do their job, to push these kids into the
cookie cutter mold of the diploma factory, than to do the right thing,
mainly to get them proper medical care and real diagnosises that are based
upon a doctor's careful and caring examination, testing and observation.
I am not anti medication when it is actually necessary. I am vehmently
opposed to anyone medicating a child who does not need it. Further I really
hate when it is assumed that any parent who chooses to medicate is harming
their child just because it is unpopular in the opinion of your peers to
medicate. Whether they were coerced or they actually chose to medicate the
child it is insensitive to insinuate that their decision is wrong because it
has been wrong for others.
I don't like having to medicate my child. It's theraputic benefit is minimal
at best. But I conceed that there is a problem and I am on a mission to find
out what that problem is so that he may live the most normal, positive,
loving existance possible. I love my child. So I keep looking and I try new
medications because refusing to do so would be neglecting him, no matter how
DSS sees it. Now, I'll jump down and give someone else a chance on the soap
box.
Brightest Blessings,
Virginia
"Religion is what we do so that others will think well of us. Spirituality
is what we do
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Myranda
Virginia,
I think someone is feeding you a big huge line of bull here in SC. They cannot take him away from you for refusing to give him medications (especially once you have him at home), you do not have to have the school's permission to take him out and homeschool him. If you'd like to e-mail me privately, I can tell you how to do it now without anyone being able to say a thing! This is ridiculous that they are treating you this way!
Myranda
part of our lives. When I tried to resist putting Chris on Concerta they
said that my refusal was tantamount to parental neglect and that they would
remove him from my care for neglect if I did not medicate. That will not
change with bringing Chris home. Michael and I are planning to relocate
outside of SC (as far outside as I can get) just as soon as we can afford to
do so. Then I will have the legal freedom to choose whether or not to
medicate without fear of having my child taken from me. Until then I
medicate. I am in the process of making the psychiatrists re-evaluate his
medication (Chris has another appointment in three weeks.) But this too will
be a long process.
Unlike many parents with children who were "diagnosed" with ADHD, I do
believe that my child is having a medical problem. He hears and sees things
that we do not, talks to himself all the time, and has... to one degree or
another...many of the behavioral problems that the teachers claim. Some
children do need medication to function, even in an unschooled environment.
The problem is that children end up getting hung with the ADHD label if
their behavior falls outside of the accepted norm. The fact is that some
ADHD kids are actually suffering from other problems (juvenile bipolar
disorder, allergies to foods and environmental factors, allergies to
vaccines, early onset pschzo-affective disorder, Touretts, etc) and the
teachers know that it will be easier to medicate and zombie these kids than
to try and convince someone to examine their behaviors and treat them
accurately.
It is far easier for them to do their job, to push these kids into the
cookie cutter mold of the diploma factory, than to do the right thing,
mainly to get them proper medical care and real diagnosises that are based
upon a doctor's careful and caring examination, testing and observation.
I am not anti medication when it is actually necessary. I am vehmently
opposed to anyone medicating a child who does not need it. Further I really
hate when it is assumed that any parent who chooses to medicate is harming
their child just because it is unpopular in the opinion of your peers to
medicate. Whether they were coerced or they actually chose to medicate the
child it is insensitive to insinuate that their decision is wrong because it
has been wrong for others.
I don't like having to medicate my child. It's theraputic benefit is minimal
at best. But I conceed that there is a problem and I am on a mission to find
out what that problem is so that he may live the most normal, positive,
loving existance possible. I love my child. So I keep looking and I try new
medications because refusing to do so would be neglecting him, no matter how
DSS sees it. Now, I'll jump down and give someone else a chance on the soap
box.
Brightest Blessings,
Virginia
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is what we do
so we will think well of ourselves" - Silver Nolan
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I think someone is feeding you a big huge line of bull here in SC. They cannot take him away from you for refusing to give him medications (especially once you have him at home), you do not have to have the school's permission to take him out and homeschool him. If you'd like to e-mail me privately, I can tell you how to do it now without anyone being able to say a thing! This is ridiculous that they are treating you this way!
Myranda
> Why would an unschooler choose the path of medicating their children?Despite the fact that I am taking my child out of school, DSS is still a
> There's no need for ritalin, since the child doesn't need to be
> confined in a classroom and forced to sit and behave.
part of our lives. When I tried to resist putting Chris on Concerta they
said that my refusal was tantamount to parental neglect and that they would
remove him from my care for neglect if I did not medicate. That will not
change with bringing Chris home. Michael and I are planning to relocate
outside of SC (as far outside as I can get) just as soon as we can afford to
do so. Then I will have the legal freedom to choose whether or not to
medicate without fear of having my child taken from me. Until then I
medicate. I am in the process of making the psychiatrists re-evaluate his
medication (Chris has another appointment in three weeks.) But this too will
be a long process.
Unlike many parents with children who were "diagnosed" with ADHD, I do
believe that my child is having a medical problem. He hears and sees things
that we do not, talks to himself all the time, and has... to one degree or
another...many of the behavioral problems that the teachers claim. Some
children do need medication to function, even in an unschooled environment.
The problem is that children end up getting hung with the ADHD label if
their behavior falls outside of the accepted norm. The fact is that some
ADHD kids are actually suffering from other problems (juvenile bipolar
disorder, allergies to foods and environmental factors, allergies to
vaccines, early onset pschzo-affective disorder, Touretts, etc) and the
teachers know that it will be easier to medicate and zombie these kids than
to try and convince someone to examine their behaviors and treat them
accurately.
It is far easier for them to do their job, to push these kids into the
cookie cutter mold of the diploma factory, than to do the right thing,
mainly to get them proper medical care and real diagnosises that are based
upon a doctor's careful and caring examination, testing and observation.
I am not anti medication when it is actually necessary. I am vehmently
opposed to anyone medicating a child who does not need it. Further I really
hate when it is assumed that any parent who chooses to medicate is harming
their child just because it is unpopular in the opinion of your peers to
medicate. Whether they were coerced or they actually chose to medicate the
child it is insensitive to insinuate that their decision is wrong because it
has been wrong for others.
I don't like having to medicate my child. It's theraputic benefit is minimal
at best. But I conceed that there is a problem and I am on a mission to find
out what that problem is so that he may live the most normal, positive,
loving existance possible. I love my child. So I keep looking and I try new
medications because refusing to do so would be neglecting him, no matter how
DSS sees it. Now, I'll jump down and give someone else a chance on the soap
box.
Brightest Blessings,
Virginia
"Religion is what we do so that others will think well of us. Spirituality
is what we do
so we will think well of ourselves" - Silver Nolan
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Judy
Dear Virginia,
I am pressed for time at the moment but wanted to send this info:
http://intramural.nimh.nih.gov/research/pdn/web.htm
my good friend's daughter has this diagnosis ( after *dozens* of
improper ones) and they have had wonderful results following the
protocol for P.A.N.D.A.S.
It may be something to share with your pediatrician if you have not
ruled it out.
Thinking of you.
love, Judy Hain
Virginia Chiasson wrote:
I am pressed for time at the moment but wanted to send this info:
http://intramural.nimh.nih.gov/research/pdn/web.htm
my good friend's daughter has this diagnosis ( after *dozens* of
improper ones) and they have had wonderful results following the
protocol for P.A.N.D.A.S.
It may be something to share with your pediatrician if you have not
ruled it out.
Thinking of you.
love, Judy Hain
Virginia Chiasson wrote:
> > Why would an unschooler choose the path of medicating theirADVERTISEMENT
> children?
> > There's no need for ritalin, since the child doesn't need to be
> > confined in a classroom and forced to sit and behave.
>
> Despite the fact that I am taking my child out of school, DSS is still
> a
> part of our lives. When I tried to resist putting Chris on Concerta
> they
> said that my refusal was tantamount to parental neglect and that they
> would
> remove him from my care for neglect if I did not medicate. That will
> not
> change with bringing Chris home. Michael and I are planning to
> relocate
> outside of SC (as far outside as I can get) just as soon as we can
> afford to
> do so. Then I will have the legal freedom to choose whether or not to
> medicate without fear of having my child taken from me. Until then I
> medicate. I am in the process of making the psychiatrists re-evaluate
> his
> medication (Chris has another appointment in three weeks.) But this
> too will
> be a long process.
>
> Unlike many parents with children who were "diagnosed" with ADHD, I do
>
> believe that my child is having a medical problem. He hears and sees
> things
> that we do not, talks to himself all the time, and has... to one
> degree or
> another...many of the behavioral problems that the teachers claim.
> Some
> children do need medication to function, even in an unschooled
> environment.
>
> The problem is that children end up getting hung with the ADHD label
> if
> their behavior falls outside of the accepted norm. The fact is that
> some
> ADHD kids are actually suffering from other problems (juvenile bipolar
>
> disorder, allergies to foods and environmental factors, allergies to
> vaccines, early onset pschzo-affective disorder, Touretts, etc) and
> the
> teachers know that it will be easier to medicate and zombie these kids
> than
> to try and convince someone to examine their behaviors and treat them
> accurately.
>
> It is far easier for them to do their job, to push these kids into the
>
> cookie cutter mold of the diploma factory, than to do the right thing,
>
> mainly to get them proper medical care and real diagnosises that are
> based
> upon a doctor's careful and caring examination, testing and
> observation.
>
> I am not anti medication when it is actually necessary. I am vehmently
>
> opposed to anyone medicating a child who does not need it. Further I
> really
> hate when it is assumed that any parent who chooses to medicate is
> harming
> their child just because it is unpopular in the opinion of your peers
> to
> medicate. Whether they were coerced or they actually chose to medicate
> the
> child it is insensitive to insinuate that their decision is wrong
> because it
> has been wrong for others.
>
> I don't like having to medicate my child. It's theraputic benefit is
> minimal
> at best. But I conceed that there is a problem and I am on a mission
> to find
> out what that problem is so that he may live the most normal,
> positive,
> loving existance possible. I love my child. So I keep looking and I
> try new
> medications because refusing to do so would be neglecting him, no
> matter how
> DSS sees it. Now, I'll jump down and give someone else a chance on the
> soap
> box.
>
> Brightest Blessings,
> Virginia
>
> "Religion is what we do so that others will think well of us.
> Spirituality
> is what we do
> so we will think well of ourselves" - Silver Nolan
>
>
>
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this never showed up here
(I get alot of double posts from this lists, though. I wonder why I am
having trouble? I am on an obscene number of yahoo group list sand this
is the only one giving me trouble....)
and now I have some time -if I can be of any help with this, Virginia.
Love, Judy
Judy wrote:
(I get alot of double posts from this lists, though. I wonder why I am
having trouble? I am on an obscene number of yahoo group list sand this
is the only one giving me trouble....)
and now I have some time -if I can be of any help with this, Virginia.
Love, Judy
Judy wrote:
> Dear Virginia,ADVERTISEMENT
> I am pressed for time at the moment but wanted to send this info:
>
> http://intramural.nimh.nih.gov/research/pdn/web.htm
>
> my good friend's daughter has this diagnosis ( after *dozens* of
> improper ones) and they have had wonderful results following the
> protocol for P.A.N.D.A.S.
>
> It may be something to share with your pediatrician if you have not
> ruled it out.
>
> Thinking of you.
> love, Judy Hain
>
> Virginia Chiasson wrote:
>
>> > Why would an unschooler choose the path of medicating their
>> children?
>> > There's no need for ritalin, since the child doesn't need to be
>> > confined in a classroom and forced to sit and behave.
>>
>> Despite the fact that I am taking my child out of school, DSS is
>> still a
>> part of our lives. When I tried to resist putting Chris on Concerta
>> they
>> said that my refusal was tantamount to parental neglect and that
>> they would
>> remove him from my care for neglect if I did not medicate. That will
>> not
>> change with bringing Chris home. Michael and I are planning to
>> relocate
>> outside of SC (as far outside as I can get) just as soon as we can
>> afford to
>> do so. Then I will have the legal freedom to choose whether or not
>> to
>> medicate without fear of having my child taken from me. Until then I
>>
>> medicate. I am in the process of making the psychiatrists
>> re-evaluate his
>> medication (Chris has another appointment in three weeks.) But this
>> too will
>> be a long process.
>>
>> Unlike many parents with children who were "diagnosed" with ADHD, I
>> do
>> believe that my child is having a medical problem. He hears and sees
>> things
>> that we do not, talks to himself all the time, and has... to one
>> degree or
>> another...many of the behavioral problems that the teachers claim.
>> Some
>> children do need medication to function, even in an unschooled
>> environment.
>>
>> The problem is that children end up getting hung with the ADHD label
>> if
>> their behavior falls outside of the accepted norm. The fact is that
>> some
>> ADHD kids are actually suffering from other problems (juvenile
>> bipolar
>> disorder, allergies to foods and environmental factors, allergies to
>>
>> vaccines, early onset pschzo-affective disorder, Touretts, etc) and
>> the
>> teachers know that it will be easier to medicate and zombie these
>> kids than
>> to try and convince someone to examine their behaviors and treat
>> them
>> accurately.
>>
>> It is far easier for them to do their job, to push these kids into
>> the
>> cookie cutter mold of the diploma factory, than to do the right
>> thing,
>> mainly to get them proper medical care and real diagnosises that are
>> based
>> upon a doctor's careful and caring examination, testing and
>> observation.
>>
>> I am not anti medication when it is actually necessary. I am
>> vehmently
>> opposed to anyone medicating a child who does not need it. Further I
>> really
>> hate when it is assumed that any parent who chooses to medicate is
>> harming
>> their child just because it is unpopular in the opinion of your
>> peers to
>> medicate. Whether they were coerced or they actually chose to
>> medicate the
>> child it is insensitive to insinuate that their decision is wrong
>> because it
>> has been wrong for others.
>>
>> I don't like having to medicate my child. It's theraputic benefit is
>> minimal
>> at best. But I conceed that there is a problem and I am on a mission
>> to find
>> out what that problem is so that he may live the most normal,
>> positive,
>> loving existance possible. I love my child. So I keep looking and I
>> try new
>> medications because refusing to do so would be neglecting him, no
>> matter how
>> DSS sees it. Now, I'll jump down and give someone else a chance on
>> the soap
>> box.
>>
>> Brightest Blessings,
>> Virginia
>>
>> "Religion is what we do so that others will think well of us.
>> Spirituality
>> is what we do
>> so we will think well of ourselves" - Silver Nolan
>>
>>
>>
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on 9/19/02 4:19 PM, Judy at jorganic@... wrote:
Sometimes mail arrives way out of order. Things will affect some people but
not everyone. There seems to be no rhyme or reason.
Joyce
> (I get alot of double posts from this lists, though. I wonder why I amLists go through that periodically. Sometimes some mail disappears.
> having trouble? I am on an obscene number of yahoo group list sand this
> is the only one giving me trouble....)
Sometimes mail arrives way out of order. Things will affect some people but
not everyone. There seems to be no rhyme or reason.
Joyce
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In a message dated 9/19/02 10:44:01 AM, silverhuntress@... writes:
-=-Some
children do need medication to function, even in an unschooled environment.
make.
Sorry.
The word in question is "function."
Yes, if a child needs medication to keep from being in tears or from tearing
the place up or from hurting himself or others, that's a "function" item.
But as to "plain" ADD or ADHD, in the absence of the classroom, there is most
likely NO need and no sense in quieting his movements or zippiness or "lack
of attention," because kids WILL pay attention to what's interesting to them.
<< He hears and sees things
that we do not, talks to himself all the time, and has... to one degree or
another...many of the behavioral problems that the teachers claim. >>
How long was he in school (including pre-school/daycare)?
How sure are you that the talking to himself and other mental input wasn't
part of a big screen to separate himself from the school environment?
Again, the school might be the cause or the catalyst which brought about the
other "behaviors" or symptoms.
<<I am not anti medication when it is actually necessary. I am vehmently
opposed to anyone medicating a child who does not need it. Further I really
hate when it is assumed that any parent who chooses to medicate is harming
their child just because it is unpopular in the opinion of your peers to
medicate. Whether they were coerced or they actually chose to medicate the
child it is insensitive to insinuate that their decision is wrong because it
has been wrong for others.>>
The other side of that is some parents (not you, by any indication from your
writings) wiwas why I objected to your simple quotable statement up top here
which I hope will not go around being quoted.
Until school is really out of the equation, parents can't see what will be
needed for "an unschooling environment." When a child has been in and part
of and swallowed up by school, he is sometimes lost to the parents in any
clear way, and they need to live together a while without school, and find
their place in the non-school world before they can begin to see what's
necessary or right.
Sandra
-=-Some
children do need medication to function, even in an unschooled environment.
>>-=-That's too broad a statement for someone who's just new to unschooling to
make.
Sorry.
The word in question is "function."
Yes, if a child needs medication to keep from being in tears or from tearing
the place up or from hurting himself or others, that's a "function" item.
But as to "plain" ADD or ADHD, in the absence of the classroom, there is most
likely NO need and no sense in quieting his movements or zippiness or "lack
of attention," because kids WILL pay attention to what's interesting to them.
<< He hears and sees things
that we do not, talks to himself all the time, and has... to one degree or
another...many of the behavioral problems that the teachers claim. >>
How long was he in school (including pre-school/daycare)?
How sure are you that the talking to himself and other mental input wasn't
part of a big screen to separate himself from the school environment?
Again, the school might be the cause or the catalyst which brought about the
other "behaviors" or symptoms.
<<I am not anti medication when it is actually necessary. I am vehmently
opposed to anyone medicating a child who does not need it. Further I really
hate when it is assumed that any parent who chooses to medicate is harming
their child just because it is unpopular in the opinion of your peers to
medicate. Whether they were coerced or they actually chose to medicate the
child it is insensitive to insinuate that their decision is wrong because it
has been wrong for others.>>
The other side of that is some parents (not you, by any indication from your
writings) wiwas why I objected to your simple quotable statement up top here
which I hope will not go around being quoted.
Until school is really out of the equation, parents can't see what will be
needed for "an unschooling environment." When a child has been in and part
of and swallowed up by school, he is sometimes lost to the parents in any
clear way, and they need to live together a while without school, and find
their place in the non-school world before they can begin to see what's
necessary or right.
Sandra