kenyonbook

Why does it bother you Mary? It's just a sound.

Shyrley


I disagree. It is not "just a sound". A "sound" would be a bell
ringing, a wind blowing, a crash. The "F" word is a crude and vulgar
term, with a specific meaning in our culture. If one of my children
used it, I would be very disappointed in them as they have grown up
knowing it is a crude and vulgar word. But, then, we don't say sh*#
around here either. Odd how our values and morals seep into
everything we say or do, isn't it? Even when my children use the
word "butt" I ask them why they don't choose a better word. I had a
professor in college who pointed out how crude that word is when
there are so many other choices. (we like to say BUM for little baby
bottoms and bottom for larger ones!) And, yes, I probably do have
a double standard for men and women. I like to think women in
general, and especially mothers, have a little more class than men!
ha!
Mary, IA

kayb85

The "F" word is a crude and vulgar
> term, with a specific meaning in our culture.


I agree that it sounds vulgar, at least for my taste. I don't like
sh** either, and I also don't like crap. I don't like a**. I don't
like he**. I don't have an intelligent answer why, I just find them
distasteful. Probably the way I was raised. My husband and I don't
ever say any of those words, neither do any of my kids' friends of
grandparents. They've never heard any of them, except for perhaps
occasionally on tv. But they usually watch pbs or toon disney, so
there's not too much on tv for them to here either.

But as far as having a specific meaning in our culture, do they
really? I mean, if someone says "What the he**, they're not talking
about the actual place, they're saying "Oh, who cares." And if they
say dam*, they're not talking about cursing someone to hell, they're
just saying, "Ooh, I wish that wouldn't have happened". And even the
f word, If someone says Now I'm fu****, they're just saying, "Oh no,
now I'm in big trouble".

I don't know what I would do if they ever used one of those words. I
would be upset, but I don't know if I would be able to give them a
good reason WHY the words are wrong. Just because *I* think they're
distasteful isn't a solid answer, I don't think.

I have taught my children that it is wrong to take God's name in
vain. They know to never say "Oh my God" or "Jesus Christ" unless
they are praying or discussing Jesus Christ.

Sheila

If one of my children
> used it, I would be very disappointed in them as they have grown up
> knowing it is a crude and vulgar word. But, then, we don't say
sh*#
> around here either. Odd how our values and morals seep into
> everything we say or do, isn't it? Even when my children use the
> word "butt" I ask them why they don't choose a better word. I had
a
> professor in college who pointed out how crude that word is when
> there are so many other choices. (we like to say BUM for little
baby
> bottoms and bottom for larger ones!) And, yes, I probably do
have
> a double standard for men and women. I like to think women in
> general, and especially mothers, have a little more class than
men!
> ha!
> Mary, IA

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In a message dated 9/12/02 12:19:37 PM, kenyonbook@... writes:

<< Even when my children use the
word "butt" I ask them why they don't choose a better word. >>

My mother in law was very disappointed in my kids because they would refer to
baby-doo-doo as "poop." That was just too foul for her delicate ears to hear.

The woman had been a nurse most of her life, starting before WWII, and she
had had three children of her own and she couldn't hear "poop"??

So she told my children to call it "BM" and they came to me and asked what
that meant. I said it means "bowel movement," which is a way to say poop or
shit without saying poop or shit.

Bowel movement is an action, not a turd. A turd is a poop.

I prefer clarity to sanitation, I guess.

Sandra

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In a message dated 9/13/02 4:52:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:


> So she told my children to call it "BM" and they came to me and asked what
> that meant. I said it means "bowel movement," which is a way to say poop
> or
> shit without saying poop or shit.
>
> Bowel movement is an action, not a turd. A turd is a poop.
>
> I prefer clarity to sanitation, I guess.
>
> Sandra

I have never met a nurse who didn't call going poop (or insert your word for
it here) a BM, or Bowel Movement. <g> For 7 years I didn't miss a day without
asking a patient when their last Bowel Movement was or had they voided today?
<eg> And the charting! I charted Bowel Movements and Voids religiously. Cause
who wants to forget to chart that and have someone look three days later and
say "Hey! Mr. Jones hasn't had a BM in three days. Someone give him a
suppository!" Quick! STAT! <veg>
~Nancy


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Cathy Hilde

Nancy,
This cracked me up!!!! It reminds me of when I was in the hospital after
having both kids. Everyone wanted to know whether or not I'd had a "BM". I
would take a walk up the hall and the cleaning gal would ask me for crying
out loud! I was a slow learner but finally figured out they weren't going to
let me go home until I had.
Thanks for the laugh,
Cathy
>> I have never met a nurse who didn't call going poop (or insert your
word for
it here) a BM, or Bowel Movement. <g> For 7 years I didn't miss a day
without
asking a patient when their last Bowel Movement was or had they voided
today?
<eg> And the charting! I charted Bowel Movements and Voids religiously.
Cause
who wants to forget to chart that and have someone look three days later
and
say "Hey! Mr. Jones hasn't had a BM in three days. Someone give him a
suppository!" Quick! STAT! <veg>
~Nancy >>




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Mary Bianco

>SandraDodd@... writes:

So she told my children to call it "BM" and they came to me and asked what
that meant. I said it means "bowel movement," which is a way to say poop or
shit without saying poop or shit.
Bowel movement is an action, not a turd. A turd is a poop.
I prefer clarity to sanitation, I guess.
Sandra


>From: Dnowens@...
I have never met a nurse who didn't call going poop (or insert your word for
it here) a BM, or Bowel Movement. <g> For 7 years I didn't miss a day
without
asking a patient when their last Bowel Movement was or had they voided
today?
<eg> And the charting! I charted Bowel Movements and Voids religiously.
Cause who wants to forget to chart that and have someone look three days
later and say "Hey! Mr. Jones hasn't had a BM in three days. Someone give
him a suppository!" Quick! STAT! <veg>


First of all this first part from Sandra cracked me up!! I guess just the
way she worded it was just too funny for me.

Second of all, the last time I had my baby, almost 2 years ago, all the
nurses were as sweet as anything. But they made no bones about asking me if
I pooped yet or peed or even farted. I was a little taken aback by the
wording. I'm not a prude but was expecting something a little different from
medical personal. It was rather funny after I got use to it!!!!

Mary B



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Collette

You know I was just thinking about this the other day. My great
aunt also made us call it BM. I really hated using that. To this
day, I still just call it poop. Sarah is 9 and it doesn't bother her
if we swear (she calls them big people words) , but I just don't like
to do it around her. My dh, on the other hand, refers to it
as "taking a dump", which Sarah says sometimes. It's ok as long as
she doesn't say it in mixed company. I'd really prefer if I didn't
know what they were doing in the bathroom anyway!!! LOL!
Collette (who knows even if they DO use air freshener <g>)

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/12/02 12:19:37 PM, kenyonbook@y... writes:
>
> << Even when my children use the
> word "butt" I ask them why they don't choose a better word. >>
>
> My mother in law was very disappointed in my kids because they
would refer to
> baby-doo-doo as "poop." That was just too foul for her delicate
ears to hear.
>
> The woman had been a nurse most of her life, starting before WWII,
and she
> had had three children of her own and she couldn't hear "poop"??
>
> So she told my children to call it "BM" and they came to me and
asked what
> that meant. I said it means "bowel movement," which is a way to
say poop or
> shit without saying poop or shit.
>
> Bowel movement is an action, not a turd. A turd is a poop.
>
> I prefer clarity to sanitation, I guess.
>
> Sandra