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In a message dated 9/9/02 7:14:22 AM, dcannon@... writes:
<< Running together Christianity and fundamentalism is like running
together snakes and venomous >>
Well when I'm talking about fundamentalist Christians I'm talking about
venomous snakes.
It's not MY idea or my imagination that fundamentalist Christians don't
consider Catholics to be Christians (nor do most of them consider Lutherans
or Episcopalians, etc. to be "true Christians." They teach that they'll be
burning in hell with the other heathens unless one of them somehow, against
his church's teaching, actually somehow had a personal relationship with
Jesus and was born again. But they don't discuss it as being very likely.
Talking about venomous snakes isn't the same as talking also at the same time
about venomous spiders, so the fact that there are also fundamentalist
Moslems doesn't apply to the Christian Homeschooling Movement (or Community
or Faction or Whatever).
"Can't we all just get along?" is answered with "*NO* we can't" by
fundamentalist Christians before any other Christians.
(a little sample below)
Sandra
From The 2nd Generation of Christian Homeschooled Adults
http://www.fortifyingthefamily.com/The_2nd_Generation.html
The 2nd Generation:
Fortifying and Advancing
-=-A presidential election year, where questions and answers about public and
foreign policy directed to and from hopeful candidates abound, is the prime
time for training ourselves and our children in the Biblical position of
today's issues. Does the Bible have anything to say to NAFTA, The United
Nations, or most favored nation status of China? Does the Bible have anything
to say to welfare reform, Social Security, or national health care? For the
2nd generation of homeschoolers to advance on the other fronts of attack
against the family, church, and nation, they must have the answers to these
questions, they must have them based on the objective truth of God's Word,
and they must be able to articulate them convincingly.
-=-To fail to equip our children to give a rational and comprehensive answer
to the questions is to dress our children for war and send them out with no
bullets. Their best hope is to be captured and allowed to live as prisoners
of war. By no means will the complaining and accusations of the unregenerate
be put to rest short of the final judgement, but that fact does not relieve
the Christian of his duty to be ready with a reasoned response and,
therefore, be faithful to equip each succeeding generation of covenant
children to do the same.-=-
By "Christian" and "covenant," they mean precisely those who believe just as
they do.
And by "reasoned" they mean memorized.
And by "objective" they mean straight from their propaganda.
I lately got the Christian Book Distrubors catalog (Christianbook.com) and if
you think they think all Christians are equal, go peek. The whole paper
catalog is enough material to fill a house, easily, and there are even action
figures: Bibleman, Luxor Spandroth, Biblegirl, Cypher, and El Furioso. You
can get videos featuring their adventures. (page 60 of the catalog, I'm
certainly not making this up)
They hope to enable Christian homeschooling families to "live apart" meaning
to be separate from other kinds of people, even from others who 'claim' to be
Christian.
Here's an adverstisement for a wall cross. Definitely NOT a crucifix:
http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product/83521882?item_no=296072&e
vent=SP51500
That doesn't apply to the Pope. Or even Canadian Baptists.
They do have a Catholic section, and the http: shows it as a specialty
subgroup.
They also have a section on Cults. Specifically named right on that page:
Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. Here's a quote from a book review, also
front page: "detailed information about how cults twist particular
scriptures for their own purpose. More importantly, however, this book shows
why the meanings that cults apply to particular verses are wrong, and why
they contradict orthodox Christianity. Armed with this knowledge, each and
every Christian will be able to stand against the arguments offered by
members of cults as they try to to proselytize us. "
There are probably anti-Catholic sections in some of those books.
Anti-Catholic messages were common in our church when I was growing up.
And now they're claiming ownership of homeschooling in the U.S.
<< Running together Christianity and fundamentalism is like running
together snakes and venomous >>
Well when I'm talking about fundamentalist Christians I'm talking about
venomous snakes.
It's not MY idea or my imagination that fundamentalist Christians don't
consider Catholics to be Christians (nor do most of them consider Lutherans
or Episcopalians, etc. to be "true Christians." They teach that they'll be
burning in hell with the other heathens unless one of them somehow, against
his church's teaching, actually somehow had a personal relationship with
Jesus and was born again. But they don't discuss it as being very likely.
Talking about venomous snakes isn't the same as talking also at the same time
about venomous spiders, so the fact that there are also fundamentalist
Moslems doesn't apply to the Christian Homeschooling Movement (or Community
or Faction or Whatever).
"Can't we all just get along?" is answered with "*NO* we can't" by
fundamentalist Christians before any other Christians.
(a little sample below)
Sandra
From The 2nd Generation of Christian Homeschooled Adults
http://www.fortifyingthefamily.com/The_2nd_Generation.html
The 2nd Generation:
Fortifying and Advancing
-=-A presidential election year, where questions and answers about public and
foreign policy directed to and from hopeful candidates abound, is the prime
time for training ourselves and our children in the Biblical position of
today's issues. Does the Bible have anything to say to NAFTA, The United
Nations, or most favored nation status of China? Does the Bible have anything
to say to welfare reform, Social Security, or national health care? For the
2nd generation of homeschoolers to advance on the other fronts of attack
against the family, church, and nation, they must have the answers to these
questions, they must have them based on the objective truth of God's Word,
and they must be able to articulate them convincingly.
-=-To fail to equip our children to give a rational and comprehensive answer
to the questions is to dress our children for war and send them out with no
bullets. Their best hope is to be captured and allowed to live as prisoners
of war. By no means will the complaining and accusations of the unregenerate
be put to rest short of the final judgement, but that fact does not relieve
the Christian of his duty to be ready with a reasoned response and,
therefore, be faithful to equip each succeeding generation of covenant
children to do the same.-=-
By "Christian" and "covenant," they mean precisely those who believe just as
they do.
And by "reasoned" they mean memorized.
And by "objective" they mean straight from their propaganda.
I lately got the Christian Book Distrubors catalog (Christianbook.com) and if
you think they think all Christians are equal, go peek. The whole paper
catalog is enough material to fill a house, easily, and there are even action
figures: Bibleman, Luxor Spandroth, Biblegirl, Cypher, and El Furioso. You
can get videos featuring their adventures. (page 60 of the catalog, I'm
certainly not making this up)
They hope to enable Christian homeschooling families to "live apart" meaning
to be separate from other kinds of people, even from others who 'claim' to be
Christian.
Here's an adverstisement for a wall cross. Definitely NOT a crucifix:
http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product/83521882?item_no=296072&e
vent=SP51500
That doesn't apply to the Pope. Or even Canadian Baptists.
They do have a Catholic section, and the http: shows it as a specialty
subgroup.
They also have a section on Cults. Specifically named right on that page:
Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. Here's a quote from a book review, also
front page: "detailed information about how cults twist particular
scriptures for their own purpose. More importantly, however, this book shows
why the meanings that cults apply to particular verses are wrong, and why
they contradict orthodox Christianity. Armed with this knowledge, each and
every Christian will be able to stand against the arguments offered by
members of cults as they try to to proselytize us. "
There are probably anti-Catholic sections in some of those books.
Anti-Catholic messages were common in our church when I was growing up.
And now they're claiming ownership of homeschooling in the U.S.
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http://homeschoolinformation.com/FAQs/socialization.htm
From Heart of Wisdom Homeschool Information site, on Socialization:
What about Socialization?
Yes, homeschool children should have friends. But not just random friends.
Homeschoolers have the opportunity to for selective socialization. Parents
can guide their children to other Christian families with like minded morals
and values. Most home school families I know are are very active with other
families. There are weekly field trips with support groups, twice a week
church functions, scouts, choir, weekly skating parties, etc, etc.
[then there's a cartoon and some statistics]
What Does God's Word Say About Who we Socialize With?
The concept of separation from evil is fundamental to God’s relationship with
His people. According to the Bible, separation evolves two dimensions-one
negative and one positive:
1. separating yourself morally and spiritually from sin and everything that
is contrary to Jesus Christ, righteous and God’s Word.
2. drawing near to God in a close intimate fellowship thorough dedication,
worship and service.
Don Stamp commentary explains in the Full Life Bible:
1. In the Old Testament separation was an ongoing requirement for God’s
people. (Ex 23:24; Lev. 20:22-26; Isa 52:11;) They were expected to be holy,
different and separated from other peoples in order to belong to God as His
very own.
2. In the New Testament God commanded separation of the believer (a) from
the corrupt world system and from unholy compromise. (b) from those in church
who sin and refuse to repent (Mat 7:15; 1Co 5:9-11; 2Th 3:6-15) and from
false teachers, churches or cults that teach theological error and deny
Biblical truths (Mat 7:15; Rom 16:17)
3. Our attitude in separation must be one of (a) hatred toward sin,
unrighteousness and the corrupt world system, (b) opposition to false
doctrine, © genuine love towards whom we must separate. and (d) fear of God
as we perfect holiness.
4. The purpose of separation is that we as God’s people might (a) persevere
in salvation (1Ti 4:16; Rev 12:14-17), faith (1Ti 1:19; 6:10; 20-21) and
holiness (Jo 17:14-21; 2Cor 7:1) (b) live wholly for God as our Lord and
Father (Mat 22:37; 2Co 6:16-18) and convince the unbelieving world of the
truth and blessings of the gospel (Jn 17:21; Phi. 2:15.)
5. If we separate ourselves properly, God Himself rewards us by drawing near
with His protection, blessing and Fatherly care. He promises to be everything
a good Father should be. He will be our counselor, guide; He will love and
cherish us as His own children. (2Cor 6:16-18)
6. The refusal of believers to separate themselves from evil will
inevitability result in loss of fellowship with God (2 Co 6:16), of
acceptance by the Father (6:17) and of our rights as children (6:18cf. Rom
8:15-16).
[end of quoted section]
----------------
In an article in the new Home Education Magazine, Liza Sabater was describing
the package and way of life school becomes for people: "With school come
friends and peers; elders and role models; the time for learning and the time
for doing everything else."
As you can see from the separatist information above, That packaged way of
life is enforced on Christian Homeschoolers, and their "package" is much
smaller than it would be if the kids were in school. They DO give their
children a pre-determined set of friends, peers, elders and role models.
Sandra
Sandra
From Heart of Wisdom Homeschool Information site, on Socialization:
What about Socialization?
Yes, homeschool children should have friends. But not just random friends.
Homeschoolers have the opportunity to for selective socialization. Parents
can guide their children to other Christian families with like minded morals
and values. Most home school families I know are are very active with other
families. There are weekly field trips with support groups, twice a week
church functions, scouts, choir, weekly skating parties, etc, etc.
[then there's a cartoon and some statistics]
What Does God's Word Say About Who we Socialize With?
The concept of separation from evil is fundamental to God’s relationship with
His people. According to the Bible, separation evolves two dimensions-one
negative and one positive:
1. separating yourself morally and spiritually from sin and everything that
is contrary to Jesus Christ, righteous and God’s Word.
2. drawing near to God in a close intimate fellowship thorough dedication,
worship and service.
Don Stamp commentary explains in the Full Life Bible:
1. In the Old Testament separation was an ongoing requirement for God’s
people. (Ex 23:24; Lev. 20:22-26; Isa 52:11;) They were expected to be holy,
different and separated from other peoples in order to belong to God as His
very own.
2. In the New Testament God commanded separation of the believer (a) from
the corrupt world system and from unholy compromise. (b) from those in church
who sin and refuse to repent (Mat 7:15; 1Co 5:9-11; 2Th 3:6-15) and from
false teachers, churches or cults that teach theological error and deny
Biblical truths (Mat 7:15; Rom 16:17)
3. Our attitude in separation must be one of (a) hatred toward sin,
unrighteousness and the corrupt world system, (b) opposition to false
doctrine, © genuine love towards whom we must separate. and (d) fear of God
as we perfect holiness.
4. The purpose of separation is that we as God’s people might (a) persevere
in salvation (1Ti 4:16; Rev 12:14-17), faith (1Ti 1:19; 6:10; 20-21) and
holiness (Jo 17:14-21; 2Cor 7:1) (b) live wholly for God as our Lord and
Father (Mat 22:37; 2Co 6:16-18) and convince the unbelieving world of the
truth and blessings of the gospel (Jn 17:21; Phi. 2:15.)
5. If we separate ourselves properly, God Himself rewards us by drawing near
with His protection, blessing and Fatherly care. He promises to be everything
a good Father should be. He will be our counselor, guide; He will love and
cherish us as His own children. (2Cor 6:16-18)
6. The refusal of believers to separate themselves from evil will
inevitability result in loss of fellowship with God (2 Co 6:16), of
acceptance by the Father (6:17) and of our rights as children (6:18cf. Rom
8:15-16).
[end of quoted section]
----------------
In an article in the new Home Education Magazine, Liza Sabater was describing
the package and way of life school becomes for people: "With school come
friends and peers; elders and role models; the time for learning and the time
for doing everything else."
As you can see from the separatist information above, That packaged way of
life is enforced on Christian Homeschoolers, and their "package" is much
smaller than it would be if the kids were in school. They DO give their
children a pre-determined set of friends, peers, elders and role models.
Sandra
Sandra