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In a message dated 9/8/02 4:47:17 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< What I read here is denial, naiveté, and a pretty blinkered view of
the impact of mainstream sexual messages on young men.
Sure. He'll be fine. No need for gudance - he can navigate his
way through that minefield all alone.
My gosh! "No need for guidance"?
That was just rude (again) and snarky. I think it's fairly obvious that the
people here are giving a LOT of guidance and spending WAY more time
interacting with their children than the majority of parents.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< What I read here is denial, naiveté, and a pretty blinkered view of
the impact of mainstream sexual messages on young men.
Sure. He'll be fine. No need for gudance - he can navigate his
way through that minefield all alone.
>>How on earth did you come up with this conclusion from all that was written?
My gosh! "No need for guidance"?
That was just rude (again) and snarky. I think it's fairly obvious that the
people here are giving a LOT of guidance and spending WAY more time
interacting with their children than the majority of parents.
Ren
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/8/02 4:47:17 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I would never advocate 'freaking out', for Pete's sake. I am
advocating keeping tabs on things that could be potentially
detrimental, so that you can discuss it before it sinks in too deep.
My question was, "Do you monitor this at all?" The answer was,
"Nope." This tells me that you are not paying attention. If you
WERE paying attention, the answer would have been "Yes." >>
Wait a minute here. Where in the Hell did you read that I (or anyone) said
"nope, we leave our kids alone, no guidance, no discussion, we don't care
what they do"?
That is ridiculous and proves you aren't interested in a real conversation in
which you could actually learn how other people do things.
You asked if I MONITORED it, which indicates control.
No, I let him choose is what I actually answered. I never once said I don't
take a serious interest in what he's watching, what he's interested in.
I never indicated I don't dialogue with my son about sex, bodies, porn, shows
on tv, ads etc.... we do all the time.
We're friends, my son and I. We talk about a lot of things many parents
wouldn't feel comfortable with. He trusts that I will answer him honestly.
He sees nudity, he has access to sex books and parents that are totally up
front about sex and intimacy.
He has never been sent messages that sex is shameful or unnatural, so I doubt
he is going to feel a strong desire for porn, ever.
It's openly discussed, the reasons people are attracted to it, the ways it
hurts people, the ways it does not show true intimacy.
But not often discussed, because he isn't fascinated by it in the least.
Human bodies are beautiful in our home, we have artwork depicting nudity, I
take them to art shows that have a lot of nudity.
It's beautiful and sometimes embarrasses him. But it's never been forbidden
or shameful.
Please quit insulting long time members of this list by assuming they aren't
there with their kids, dialoguing, bonding and very interested in the health
and safety of their children.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< I would never advocate 'freaking out', for Pete's sake. I am
advocating keeping tabs on things that could be potentially
detrimental, so that you can discuss it before it sinks in too deep.
My question was, "Do you monitor this at all?" The answer was,
"Nope." This tells me that you are not paying attention. If you
WERE paying attention, the answer would have been "Yes." >>
Wait a minute here. Where in the Hell did you read that I (or anyone) said
"nope, we leave our kids alone, no guidance, no discussion, we don't care
what they do"?
That is ridiculous and proves you aren't interested in a real conversation in
which you could actually learn how other people do things.
You asked if I MONITORED it, which indicates control.
No, I let him choose is what I actually answered. I never once said I don't
take a serious interest in what he's watching, what he's interested in.
I never indicated I don't dialogue with my son about sex, bodies, porn, shows
on tv, ads etc.... we do all the time.
We're friends, my son and I. We talk about a lot of things many parents
wouldn't feel comfortable with. He trusts that I will answer him honestly.
He sees nudity, he has access to sex books and parents that are totally up
front about sex and intimacy.
He has never been sent messages that sex is shameful or unnatural, so I doubt
he is going to feel a strong desire for porn, ever.
It's openly discussed, the reasons people are attracted to it, the ways it
hurts people, the ways it does not show true intimacy.
But not often discussed, because he isn't fascinated by it in the least.
Human bodies are beautiful in our home, we have artwork depicting nudity, I
take them to art shows that have a lot of nudity.
It's beautiful and sometimes embarrasses him. But it's never been forbidden
or shameful.
Please quit insulting long time members of this list by assuming they aren't
there with their kids, dialoguing, bonding and very interested in the health
and safety of their children.
Ren
kayb85
> We're friends, my son and I. We talk about a lot of things manyparents
> wouldn't feel comfortable with. He trusts that I will answer himhonestly.
> He sees nudity, he has access to sex books and parents that aretotally up
> front about sex and intimacy.so I doubt
> He has never been sent messages that sex is shameful or unnatural,
> he is going to feel a strong desire for porn, ever.This is what I hope my relationship with my kids is like when they're
teens. If you've talked extensively about what is right and good
about sex, I would HOPE that when kids see something really sick
(like in a late night porn show) that they would just sit back and
say "Wow, that is so sad and sick".
But I say that from MY perspective. The first time I saw a naked
male body was on my husband. I actually didn't understand a lot
about how sex worked until he explained some stuff for me. The fist
time I saw porn was after having been married happily for several
years, flipping through tv stations with my husband. We watched it
for a few minutes, laughed a little, and commented on how sad and
sick it is.
I wonder what my reaction would have been if I had seen it myself for
the first time when I was 13?
Sheila
Mary Bianco
>From: "kayb85" <sheran@...>Well I went to school all my life but I was raised by very loving and
>I wonder what my reaction would have been if I had seen it myself for
>the first time when I was 13?
>
>Sheila
supportive parents. I was an only child and rather spoiled in my day
compared to some but nothing like some of the kids I know now. My parents
really gave me free reign on most things that I can remember. They trusted
me. You know what, they probably shouldn't have done so that much. I never
got into trouble that they knew of, but I was a little hell cat. Sex
fascinated me and whenever the topic came up, I would never talk more than I
thought was necessary to appease my mom about it. I told her just enough to
be friends but no moe than that. Didn't think it was any ofher business.
When I left home, things got so much worse. I went nuts and I'm thrilled to
death to be alive and happy now.
I'm sure there are all kinds of things you can come up with that may have
prompted my behavior that my parents did wrong. I can see a few but nothing
real drastic. Is it possible that some kids just go that way to find out on
their own in spite of what they have learned and how they've been raised? I
must also say, I NEVER EVER went along with the crowd. If anything, I was
the weird one who didn't do what everyone else was doing. I just did what I
wanted.
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se
>> We're friends, my son and I. We talk about a lot of things manyI have 3 teenagers and 2 younger kids. I have to say that my household and
>parents
>> wouldn't feel comfortable with. He trusts that I will answer him
>honestly.
>> He sees nudity, he has access to sex books and parents that are
>totally up
>> front about sex and intimacy.
>> He has never been sent messages that sex is shameful or unnatural,
>so I doubt
>> he is going to feel a strong desire for porn, ever.
>
>This is what I hope my relationship with my kids is like when they're
>teens. If you've talked extensively about what is right and good
>about sex, I would HOPE that when kids see something really sick
>(like in a late night porn show) that they would just sit back and
>say "Wow, that is so sad and sick".
>
>But I say that from MY perspective. The first time I saw a naked
>male body was on my husband. I actually didn't understand a lot
>about how sex worked until he explained some stuff for me. The fist
>time I saw porn was after having been married happily for several
>years, flipping through tv stations with my husband. We watched it
>for a few minutes, laughed a little, and commented on how sad and
>sick it is.
>
>I wonder what my reaction would have been if I had seen it myself for
>the first time when I was 13?
>
>Sheila
>
the way it runs sounds very much like Sandra's. I know that my 13 year old
sometimes accidentally surfs to a porn site when he is looking for
something else and that sometimes he gets porno spam when he downloads his
e-mail. He simply deletes the e-mails and moves on from the website. He
is not really very interested in girls yet and simply isn't interested in
viewing anything that he finds too "gross" or scarey. The other day he was
reading the cartoon history of the universe and he asked me what a hemoroid
was:)
I do not worry about where he goes on the web. I know that when he is
surfing he is looking for sites specific to a computer game or something
else. He doesn't just randomly surf. My 10 year old doesn't surf the net
on his own, he isn't interested. Very ocasionally he looks at things like
playmobil that is for auction on e-bay but that is it. He plays everquest
online, I don't worry that some predator is out there waiting for him. He
knows not to give out personal information (I heard him lecturing the 5
year old about it the other day) and our computer is right there on the
main floor so that he can ask me if he is unsure or uncomfortable about
anything, he is also a beginning reader and often needs help spelling a
word.
Our life is not perfect, we have had some issues with behaviour and trust
with one of our teenagers but we are working through them and unschooling
still works best for him and us.
I do not like pornography but really don't think that I am being deluded
when I say that my 3 teenagers are simply not interested in it.
Susanna E. in Halifax, NS, Canada
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/8/02 3:22:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I wonder what my reaction would have been if I had seen it myself for
the first time when I was 13? >>
well, how about a real life example?
My dh was about that age, maybe a little older (14 ish) when he was at a
friends house and they snuck an X rated movie from the Dad's closet.
He was so totally grossed out and upset by it that he won't watch porn to
this day.
He said it's like when you throw up after eating something and you never want
to eat that thing again.
That's from a man that was not unschooled. so apparently porn isn't this
hugely wonderfully fascinating thing for all humans regardless of their
beliefs or the way they were raised.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< I wonder what my reaction would have been if I had seen it myself for
the first time when I was 13? >>
well, how about a real life example?
My dh was about that age, maybe a little older (14 ish) when he was at a
friends house and they snuck an X rated movie from the Dad's closet.
He was so totally grossed out and upset by it that he won't watch porn to
this day.
He said it's like when you throw up after eating something and you never want
to eat that thing again.
That's from a man that was not unschooled. so apparently porn isn't this
hugely wonderfully fascinating thing for all humans regardless of their
beliefs or the way they were raised.
Ren
helencolbeck
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., starsuncloud@c... wrote:
observe and record cardiac activity. Please. As I did with
Sandra, I invite you to please look up the word monitor. It means
watch. It means pay attention.
attempt has been made to shut down the question right from the
start. I suppose that insulting me is OK because I am not a
longtime member?
H.
> In a message dated 9/8/02 4:47:17 AM Central Daylight Time,deep.
> Unschooling-dotcom@y... writes:
>
> << I would never advocate 'freaking out', for Pete's sake. I am
> advocating keeping tabs on things that could be potentially
> detrimental, so that you can discuss it before it sinks in too
> My question was, "Do you monitor this at all?" The answerwas,
> "Nope." This tells me that you are not paying attention. If youanyone) said
> WERE paying attention, the answer would have been "Yes."
>>
>
> Wait a minute here. Where in the Hell did you read that I (or
> "nope, we leave our kids alone, no guidance, no discussion,we don't care
> what they do"?conversation in
> That is ridiculous and proves you aren't interested in a real
> which you could actually learn how other people do things.What???? I DID ask if you monitored this, and you both said NO!!
> You asked if I MONITORED it, which indicates control.No it absolutely does not. A cardiac monitor does nothing but
observe and record cardiac activity. Please. As I did with
Sandra, I invite you to please look up the word monitor. It means
watch. It means pay attention.
> No, I let him choose is what I actually answered. I never oncesaid I don't
> take a serious interest in what he's watching, what he'sinterested in.
> I never indicated I don't dialogue with my son about sex,bodies, porn, shows
> on tv, ads etc.... we do all the time.parents
> We're friends, my son and I. We talk about a lot of things many
> wouldn't feel comfortable with. He trusts that I will answer himhonestly.
> He sees nudity, he has access to sex books and parents thatare totally up
> front about sex and intimacy.unnatural, so I doubt
> He has never been sent messages that sex is shameful or
> he is going to feel a strong desire for porn, ever.the ways it
> It's openly discussed, the reasons people are attracted to it,
> hurts people, the ways it does not show true intimacy.least.
> But not often discussed, because he isn't fascinated by it in the
> Human bodies are beautiful in our home, we have artworkdepicting nudity, I
> take them to art shows that have a lot of nudity.been forbidden
> It's beautiful and sometimes embarrasses him. But it's never
> or shameful.So where is the embarassment coming from?
> Please quit insulting long time members of this list byassuming they aren't
> there with their kids, dialoguing, bonding and very interested inthe health
> and safety of their children.I am not insulting anybody. I asked a simple question, and every
attempt has been made to shut down the question right from the
start. I suppose that insulting me is OK because I am not a
longtime member?
H.
Leslie Avery
I am coming in this midstream as my yahoo groups for
some reason was not functioning. The discussion was
about pornography. This has been an issue in my home
for about 4 years, since we have gotten the internet.
It has made me question whether or not on several
occasions to have or not to have the internet or cable
tv.
I am very much an unschooler, and believe in allowing
children as much control as possible. But as a parent
I believe that part of my job is providing a safe
environment for them. Pornography in my mind is not
safe. Are children going to have an interest in the
human body and in sex itself, absolutely. But it is
our place to explain the beauty of it. To me having
pornography in the home in whatever form is providing
an unsafe enviornment for a child and even an adult.
My son has told us that he does not want the password
to the internet for fear of getting in a pornographic
website even accidently. He has gotten into it as a
curiosity. This is an area we have discussed and I am
very open with my son about sex and the act of love
making.
If my children wanted to see a pornographic movie I
would say absolutely not. I would definitely explain
why I would not watch it. Some people may feel that
is control but to me it is providing a safe
environment. I came from an unsafe environment as a
child, I would not allow that into my home.
I will not say that is the way it should be for others
but for me that is the way it is.
Leslie
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some reason was not functioning. The discussion was
about pornography. This has been an issue in my home
for about 4 years, since we have gotten the internet.
It has made me question whether or not on several
occasions to have or not to have the internet or cable
tv.
I am very much an unschooler, and believe in allowing
children as much control as possible. But as a parent
I believe that part of my job is providing a safe
environment for them. Pornography in my mind is not
safe. Are children going to have an interest in the
human body and in sex itself, absolutely. But it is
our place to explain the beauty of it. To me having
pornography in the home in whatever form is providing
an unsafe enviornment for a child and even an adult.
My son has told us that he does not want the password
to the internet for fear of getting in a pornographic
website even accidently. He has gotten into it as a
curiosity. This is an area we have discussed and I am
very open with my son about sex and the act of love
making.
If my children wanted to see a pornographic movie I
would say absolutely not. I would definitely explain
why I would not watch it. Some people may feel that
is control but to me it is providing a safe
environment. I came from an unsafe environment as a
child, I would not allow that into my home.
I will not say that is the way it should be for others
but for me that is the way it is.
Leslie
--- helencolbeck <the_colbecks@...> wrote:
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., starsuncloud@c...__________________________________________________
> wrote:
> > In a message dated 9/8/02 4:47:17 AM Central
> Daylight Time,
> > Unschooling-dotcom@y... writes:
> >
> > << I would never advocate 'freaking out', for
> Pete's sake. I am
> > advocating keeping tabs on things that could be
> potentially
> > detrimental, so that you can discuss it before it
> sinks in too
> deep.
> > My question was, "Do you monitor this at all?"
> The answer
> was,
> > "Nope." This tells me that you are not paying
> attention. If you
> > WERE paying attention, the answer would have been
> "Yes."
> >>
> >
> > Wait a minute here. Where in the Hell did you read
> that I (or
> anyone) said
> > "nope, we leave our kids alone, no guidance, no
> discussion,
> we don't care
> > what they do"?
> > That is ridiculous and proves you aren't
> interested in a real
> conversation in
> > which you could actually learn how other people do
> things.
>
> What???? I DID ask if you monitored this, and you
> both said NO!!
>
> > You asked if I MONITORED it, which indicates
> control.
>
> No it absolutely does not. A cardiac monitor does
> nothing but
> observe and record cardiac activity. Please. As I
> did with
> Sandra, I invite you to please look up the word
> monitor. It means
> watch. It means pay attention.
>
> > No, I let him choose is what I actually answered.
> I never once
> said I don't
> > take a serious interest in what he's watching,
> what he's
> interested in.
> > I never indicated I don't dialogue with my son
> about sex,
> bodies, porn, shows
> > on tv, ads etc.... we do all the time.
> > We're friends, my son and I. We talk about a lot
> of things many
> parents
> > wouldn't feel comfortable with. He trusts that I
> will answer him
> honestly.
> > He sees nudity, he has access to sex books and
> parents that
> are totally up
> > front about sex and intimacy.
> > He has never been sent messages that sex is
> shameful or
> unnatural, so I doubt
> > he is going to feel a strong desire for porn,
> ever.
> > It's openly discussed, the reasons people are
> attracted to it,
> the ways it
> > hurts people, the ways it does not show true
> intimacy.
> > But not often discussed, because he isn't
> fascinated by it in the
> least.
> > Human bodies are beautiful in our home, we have
> artwork
> depicting nudity, I
> > take them to art shows that have a lot of nudity.
> > It's beautiful and sometimes embarrasses him. But
> it's never
> been forbidden
> > or shameful.
>
> So where is the embarassment coming from?
>
> > Please quit insulting long time members of this
> list by
> assuming they aren't
> > there with their kids, dialoguing, bonding and
> very interested in
> the health
> > and safety of their children.
>
> I am not insulting anybody. I asked a simple
> question, and every
> attempt has been made to shut down the question
> right from the
> start. I suppose that insulting me is OK because I
> am not a
> longtime member?
>
> H.
>
>
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[email protected]
In a message dated 9/8/02 8:54:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< So where is the embarassment coming from? >>
There is this fairly natural development of a thing called modesty. Yes,
it's natural for a 12 y.o. to blush a little when things get a little too
intimate on the tv.
Or to laugh in a little bit embarrassed way when Mom talks about things
openly....like when he asked what our Kama Sutra game was.
Do you have older kids? I've met a lot that have paren't who are very open
and honest and still get a little embarassed. It's part of coming into your
sexuality and puberty and ideas centered around adult life and relationships.
"What???? I DID ask if you monitored this, and you both said NO!!"
Well here's why, if you're truly interested in understanding.
MY definition (and my dictionaries) is this:
1. One that admonishes, cautions, or reminds. 3.a. Any device used to record,
check or CONTROL a process. 6. To keep watch over, supervise.
This is not how I would describe the process at all in our home.
I am interested in what my son is interested in. I like talking to him. I
like understanding what does fascinate him. This is not, nor ever will be,
monitoring the situation.
If we can't get on the same page with definitions, that will be a huge
problem with further dialogue.
Suffice it to say, that most people I know, would consider "monitor" to mean
some level of control. It was taken that way by more than just myself here.
'nuff said about that......
Try to understand that I have had to go through major paradigm shifts,
struggle to relearn old behaviors and major soul searching to come to the
point that I'm at and it bothers me to have people screaming "you aren't
paying attention to your child" just because a question was posed about a
thought process they had regarding giving children freedom.
I don't mind if we can't agree, that is common in life.
I just wish that when questions are posed here they wouldn't get taken as a
slam on your parenting.
People are just sharing what has worked, and worked with excellent results.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< So where is the embarassment coming from? >>
There is this fairly natural development of a thing called modesty. Yes,
it's natural for a 12 y.o. to blush a little when things get a little too
intimate on the tv.
Or to laugh in a little bit embarrassed way when Mom talks about things
openly....like when he asked what our Kama Sutra game was.
Do you have older kids? I've met a lot that have paren't who are very open
and honest and still get a little embarassed. It's part of coming into your
sexuality and puberty and ideas centered around adult life and relationships.
"What???? I DID ask if you monitored this, and you both said NO!!"
Well here's why, if you're truly interested in understanding.
MY definition (and my dictionaries) is this:
1. One that admonishes, cautions, or reminds. 3.a. Any device used to record,
check or CONTROL a process. 6. To keep watch over, supervise.
This is not how I would describe the process at all in our home.
I am interested in what my son is interested in. I like talking to him. I
like understanding what does fascinate him. This is not, nor ever will be,
monitoring the situation.
If we can't get on the same page with definitions, that will be a huge
problem with further dialogue.
Suffice it to say, that most people I know, would consider "monitor" to mean
some level of control. It was taken that way by more than just myself here.
'nuff said about that......
Try to understand that I have had to go through major paradigm shifts,
struggle to relearn old behaviors and major soul searching to come to the
point that I'm at and it bothers me to have people screaming "you aren't
paying attention to your child" just because a question was posed about a
thought process they had regarding giving children freedom.
I don't mind if we can't agree, that is common in life.
I just wish that when questions are posed here they wouldn't get taken as a
slam on your parenting.
People are just sharing what has worked, and worked with excellent results.
Ren
helencolbeck
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., starsuncloud@c... wrote:
Exactly. And it is ithe sam ereason that a 12-year-old boy might
not know quite how to address an issue like porn with his mom.
I don't know you, and I don't know your son,so I was asking. This
was taken, however, as an attack on child freedom and respect,
which it most certainly was not.
outta mah mouth.
H.
> In a message dated 9/8/02 8:54:29 PM Central Daylight Time,modesty. Yes,
> Unschooling-dotcom@y... writes:
>
> << So where is the embarassment coming from? >>
>
> There is this fairly natural development of a thing called
> it's natural for a 12 y.o. to blush a little when things get a littletoo
> intimate on the tv.about things
> Or to laugh in a little bit embarrassed way when Mom talks
> openly....like when he asked what our Kama Sutra game was.very open
> Do you have older kids? I've met a lot that have paren't who are
> and honest and still get a little embarassed. It's part of cominginto your
> sexuality and puberty and ideas centered around adult life andrelationships.
Exactly. And it is ithe sam ereason that a 12-year-old boy might
not know quite how to address an issue like porn with his mom.
I don't know you, and I don't know your son,so I was asking. This
was taken, however, as an attack on child freedom and respect,
which it most certainly was not.
> "What???? I DID ask if you monitored this, and you both saidNO!!"
>used to record,
> Well here's why, if you're truly interested in understanding.
> MY definition (and my dictionaries) is this:
>
> 1. One that admonishes, cautions, or reminds. 3.a. Any device
> check or CONTROL a process. 6. To keep watch over,supervise.
>home.
> This is not how I would describe the process at all in our
> I am interested in what my son is interested in. I like talking tohim. I
> like understanding what does fascinate him. This is not, norever will be,
> monitoring the situation.huge
> If we can't get on the same page with definitions, that will be a
> problem with further dialogue."monitor" to mean
> Suffice it to say, that most people I know, would consider
> some level of control. It was taken that way by more than justmyself here
> 'nuff said about that......shifts,
> Try to understand that I have had to go through major paradigm
> struggle to relearn old behaviors and major soul searching tocome to the
> point that I'm at and it bothers me to have people screaming"you aren't
> paying attention to your child" just because a question wasposed about a
> thought process they had regarding giving children freedom.I screamed nothing. SCREAMING LOOKS LIKE THIS.
> I don't mind if we can't agree, that is common in life.Ditto.
> I just wish that when questions are posed here they wouldn'tget taken as a
> slam on your parenting.Double, triple ditto. Quadruple ditto. You took the words right
outta mah mouth.
H.
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/9/02 1:11:46 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< "Who the hell do you think you are questioning my
practices? Who are you to tell me about my religion? You are
clearly ignorant and wicked to have even asked such a
question!!" >>
Where was this ever said?
[email protected] writes:
<< "Who the hell do you think you are questioning my
practices? Who are you to tell me about my religion? You are
clearly ignorant and wicked to have even asked such a
question!!" >>
Where was this ever said?
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/9/02 9:52:22 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< There WAS no twelve year old. >>
For the other person there wasn't. But it all started over my (very real)
12y.o. that stays up until 2 or 3 am.
It was implied that "wasn't I concerned about what he could see at that
time?" and I said no, I wasn't concerned, didn't monitor but was very
involved and aware of his viewing habits. I also said we didn't even GET
porn.....and so that never worried me ever.
But then it was mentioned that there were things on at that time that he
could "stumble" upon and could traumatize him and it was put to me point
blank that I "was not even paying attention" to my child.
Because I said I wasn't "monitoring".
That's when it spun just a bit sidesays and a little too many theoreticals
that don't exist were introduced.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< There WAS no twelve year old. >>
For the other person there wasn't. But it all started over my (very real)
12y.o. that stays up until 2 or 3 am.
It was implied that "wasn't I concerned about what he could see at that
time?" and I said no, I wasn't concerned, didn't monitor but was very
involved and aware of his viewing habits. I also said we didn't even GET
porn.....and so that never worried me ever.
But then it was mentioned that there were things on at that time that he
could "stumble" upon and could traumatize him and it was put to me point
blank that I "was not even paying attention" to my child.
Because I said I wasn't "monitoring".
That's when it spun just a bit sidesays and a little too many theoreticals
that don't exist were introduced.
Ren