homeschooling books for reluctant dh's
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In a message dated 9/2/02 10:44:45 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< .anyone know of a book (less
is more!) or article of some sort that speaks to the "logical," linear,
standardized mind?
author just now) because it's written by a Dad and his kids were pulbic
schooled. It's amazing that he left them in ps because he points out so many
ways that school damages kids. He talks about how to tune into your child's
interests and completely trust and indulge them.
I think it's a great book for reluctant dh's because he isn't pressuring
anyone to homeschool, but it is eye opening.
I have heard Frank Smith's book of "learning and forgetting" is really great
too. Haven't read it myself, but I'm sure someone here will tell you about
it. And, he was at the hsc conference I believe so you could maybe buy a
tape. Easier for dh maybe?
There are many, many articles at Sandra's site that you could print out too.
Short enough that he may read them where he may not read a book.
I think the best thing with reluctant dh's is to be proactive. Keep a simple
log, talk a lot about all the wonderful things they are learning and
doing...give it time.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< .anyone know of a book (less
is more!) or article of some sort that speaks to the "logical," linear,
standardized mind?
>>Well....I really like "colouring outside the lines" (can't remember the
author just now) because it's written by a Dad and his kids were pulbic
schooled. It's amazing that he left them in ps because he points out so many
ways that school damages kids. He talks about how to tune into your child's
interests and completely trust and indulge them.
I think it's a great book for reluctant dh's because he isn't pressuring
anyone to homeschool, but it is eye opening.
I have heard Frank Smith's book of "learning and forgetting" is really great
too. Haven't read it myself, but I'm sure someone here will tell you about
it. And, he was at the hsc conference I believe so you could maybe buy a
tape. Easier for dh maybe?
There are many, many articles at Sandra's site that you could print out too.
Short enough that he may read them where he may not read a book.
I think the best thing with reluctant dh's is to be proactive. Keep a simple
log, talk a lot about all the wonderful things they are learning and
doing...give it time.
Ren
Tia Leschke
>Family matters : why homeschooling makes sense by David Guterson is the one
>
><< .anyone know of a book (less
> is more!) or article of some sort that speaks to the "logical," linear,
> standardized mind?
I've heard recommended most often for reluctant husbands. Guterson is a
high school teacher (or was - he's an novelist as well).
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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Thank you to all who recommended books (and other ideas) for "the relunctant
husband." I think that *I* will end up being the one doing the reading. But,
I'm thinking that's okay and that I should be grateful that we have
agreement to homeschool because *I* want to and believe in it so much (with
conditions). I like the idea of posting quotes...it would serve a purpose
for inspiring me and if it goes beyond that, then great! The conditions are
that our children be prepared to enter ps if it becomes necessary....cover
same learning objectives as ps. Just got to figure out how to do this in
unschooly kind of way. Please don't say its impossible!
Thanks to all,
Robin
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husband." I think that *I* will end up being the one doing the reading. But,
I'm thinking that's okay and that I should be grateful that we have
agreement to homeschool because *I* want to and believe in it so much (with
conditions). I like the idea of posting quotes...it would serve a purpose
for inspiring me and if it goes beyond that, then great! The conditions are
that our children be prepared to enter ps if it becomes necessary....cover
same learning objectives as ps. Just got to figure out how to do this in
unschooly kind of way. Please don't say its impossible!
Thanks to all,
Robin
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kayb85
Hey, that would be a good book title--The Reluctant Husband. Someone
should write that book! lol It could be for husbands to read whose
wives want to homeschool or unschool and they need some encouragement
to go along with it.
Sheila
should write that book! lol It could be for husbands to read whose
wives want to homeschool or unschool and they need some encouragement
to go along with it.
Sheila
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., robin9700@c... wrote:
> Thank you to all who recommended books (and other ideas) for "the
relunctant
> husband." I think that *I* will end up being the one doing the
reading. But,
> I'm thinking that's okay and that I should be grateful that we
have
> agreement to homeschool because *I* want to and believe in it so
much (with
> conditions). I like the idea of posting quotes...it would serve a
purpose
> for inspiring me and if it goes beyond that, then great! The
conditions are
> that our children be prepared to enter ps if it becomes
necessary....cover
> same learning objectives as ps. Just got to figure out how to do
this in
> unschooly kind of way. Please don't say its impossible!
>
> Thanks to all,
> Robin
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Tia Leschke
>The conditions areI once asked our online teacher (we do a distance ed program that
>that our children be prepared to enter ps if it becomes necessary....cover
>same learning objectives as ps. Just got to figure out how to do this in
>unschooly kind of way. Please don't say its impossible!
completely lets us do our own thing as long as we report *something* 3
times a year) how many kids in the average public school class would be
right at grade level in every subject. His answer was none.
When homeschooled kids enter public school, they get put in with all the
other kids their age. Then the teacher copes with all those different
levels. And the learning objectives are just that, objectives. <g>
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/2/02 10:07:20 PM Central Daylight Time, robin9700@...
writes:
Yes, you probably will be the one doing the reading. That's okay. I do wonder
about these "conditions" though. The one thing about unschooling I have tried
to stress to Darin is that the kids will learn better this way (as opposed to
the rigors of a ps curriculum.) but for him not to expect them to pick up a
math book or ask for a history book. He says he understands, but I don't
think he does. I know that if Moly *had* to go to school starting tomorrow,
she would be ages ahead of the other kids (I think third grade?) in reading,
but miles behind in math. She would be all over the place with everything
else. Moly knows tons about the human body, but I don't think a typical third
grade curriculum covers that. So although she knows some *science* the
teacher would probably assume we never studied any science at all. (true and
not true at the same time.) Moly could name many constellations, and knows
all sorts of things about the planets. But if that wasn't what the teacher
was teaching at the time, she wouldn't be able to appreciate Moly's
knowledge.
My husband Darin thinks homeschooling is a fine idea. (But) I get the
impression that he isn't too sure about all this *free learning*. He doesn't
say much, but every now and then he will make a small comment. Usually it
goes something like this. Moly is counting out her money. She has a pile of
change and some paper bills. She announces she has four dollars, 7 quarters,
18 nickels, 5 dimes and 143 pennies. Darin says "how much is that?" and Moly
says, "I just said how much I have." Darin will look at me, I am sure you
know that look. <g> and try to give Moly this 5 minute math lesson on how to
count her money. The first problem that comes up is she isn't wanting a
lesson on counting money. Then there is the problem that she doesn't know how
to add large numbers. So he tries to describe how to carry the one. She
doesn't get that so he tries to tell her about number placement. It goes on
and on and Moly gets bored and upset that her Dad isn't impressed with the
amount of money she has saved, rather he wants to turn everything into a
lesson. Darin gets upset that Moly doesn't seem to want to know how to add up
her money. Moly leaves and Darin says to me, "I thought you started school
already." (meaning the public schooled kids have gone back, why haven't you
started teaching our kids something?) I gently remind him that we don't do
school, we are learning all the time, the kids and I follow our interests. To
which I usually hear, "That's great, but when are you going to do math?" He
just doesn't get it and I doubt he ever will.
I have tried to get him to read books on the subject, then I tried to get him
to "Just read this chapter honey!" then I tried reading whatever paragraph
had just struck me as an extraordinarily, eye-opening, what ever idea I
thought just might help him *get it*. I'm going to try tapes next. He likes
books on tape so maybe this will work! Someone else telling him what I have
been saying all along, in their words. I think, over the years, he has come
to accept it though. He knows the kids are smart. He is just so impressed
with the way Moly had taken to reading, and is always asking about what she
is reading. But I am sure if there were worksheets with big gold stars, all
over the fridge, he would be more comfortable. Marrying me has definitely put
Darin outside his comfort zone! <g>
My best advice is, be gentle with it. For many people the idea of unschooling
takes time. So read little blurbs out loud, post short articles where he will
find them. Take the Field and Stream magazines out of the bathroom and put
your copy of The Homeschooling Handbook out, open to the unschooling chapter.
Subscribe to Home Education Magazine and leave it open to that great article
on his side of the bed...
Good Luck!
~Nancy
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writes:
> Thank you to all who recommended books (and other ideas) for "the relunctantDear Robin,
> husband." I think that *I* will end up being the one doing the reading.
> But,
> I'm thinking that's okay and that I should be grateful that we have
> agreement to homeschool because *I* want to and believe in it so much (with
> conditions). I like the idea of posting quotes...it would serve a purpose
> for inspiring me and if it goes beyond that, then great! The conditions
> are
> that our children be prepared to enter ps if it becomes necessary....cover
> same learning objectives as ps. Just got to figure out how to do this in
> unschooly kind of way. Please don't say its impossible!
>
> Thanks to all,
> Robin
>
Yes, you probably will be the one doing the reading. That's okay. I do wonder
about these "conditions" though. The one thing about unschooling I have tried
to stress to Darin is that the kids will learn better this way (as opposed to
the rigors of a ps curriculum.) but for him not to expect them to pick up a
math book or ask for a history book. He says he understands, but I don't
think he does. I know that if Moly *had* to go to school starting tomorrow,
she would be ages ahead of the other kids (I think third grade?) in reading,
but miles behind in math. She would be all over the place with everything
else. Moly knows tons about the human body, but I don't think a typical third
grade curriculum covers that. So although she knows some *science* the
teacher would probably assume we never studied any science at all. (true and
not true at the same time.) Moly could name many constellations, and knows
all sorts of things about the planets. But if that wasn't what the teacher
was teaching at the time, she wouldn't be able to appreciate Moly's
knowledge.
My husband Darin thinks homeschooling is a fine idea. (But) I get the
impression that he isn't too sure about all this *free learning*. He doesn't
say much, but every now and then he will make a small comment. Usually it
goes something like this. Moly is counting out her money. She has a pile of
change and some paper bills. She announces she has four dollars, 7 quarters,
18 nickels, 5 dimes and 143 pennies. Darin says "how much is that?" and Moly
says, "I just said how much I have." Darin will look at me, I am sure you
know that look. <g> and try to give Moly this 5 minute math lesson on how to
count her money. The first problem that comes up is she isn't wanting a
lesson on counting money. Then there is the problem that she doesn't know how
to add large numbers. So he tries to describe how to carry the one. She
doesn't get that so he tries to tell her about number placement. It goes on
and on and Moly gets bored and upset that her Dad isn't impressed with the
amount of money she has saved, rather he wants to turn everything into a
lesson. Darin gets upset that Moly doesn't seem to want to know how to add up
her money. Moly leaves and Darin says to me, "I thought you started school
already." (meaning the public schooled kids have gone back, why haven't you
started teaching our kids something?) I gently remind him that we don't do
school, we are learning all the time, the kids and I follow our interests. To
which I usually hear, "That's great, but when are you going to do math?" He
just doesn't get it and I doubt he ever will.
I have tried to get him to read books on the subject, then I tried to get him
to "Just read this chapter honey!" then I tried reading whatever paragraph
had just struck me as an extraordinarily, eye-opening, what ever idea I
thought just might help him *get it*. I'm going to try tapes next. He likes
books on tape so maybe this will work! Someone else telling him what I have
been saying all along, in their words. I think, over the years, he has come
to accept it though. He knows the kids are smart. He is just so impressed
with the way Moly had taken to reading, and is always asking about what she
is reading. But I am sure if there were worksheets with big gold stars, all
over the fridge, he would be more comfortable. Marrying me has definitely put
Darin outside his comfort zone! <g>
My best advice is, be gentle with it. For many people the idea of unschooling
takes time. So read little blurbs out loud, post short articles where he will
find them. Take the Field and Stream magazines out of the bathroom and put
your copy of The Homeschooling Handbook out, open to the unschooling chapter.
Subscribe to Home Education Magazine and leave it open to that great article
on his side of the bed...
Good Luck!
~Nancy
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Gerard Westenberg
<,The conditions are
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> that our children be prepared to enter ps if it becomes necessary....coverI am always amazed, when I look at scope and sequences, at what I could "check off" - my kids just learn so much in everyday life! Of course, they also learn a lot that is not on those scope and sequences..Leonie W.
> same learning objectives as ps. >>
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Gerard Westenberg
<,I think that *I* will end up being the one doing the
reading. >>
I do more unschool related reading than does my dh- but I continually share with him what I've learned - you knwow - here's a great quote! hey, listen io this! I really like this book and what the author says here...All this must sink in as dh is a strong supporter of our homeschooling... I was reading aloud Ramona the Pest to my youngest yesterday and I found lots of food for thought about schools and children who think out of the box - ended up sharing these thoughts with dh and older sons at the dinner table. Food for unschooling thought seems to be everywhere! lol! Leonie W.
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reading. >>
I do more unschool related reading than does my dh- but I continually share with him what I've learned - you knwow - here's a great quote! hey, listen io this! I really like this book and what the author says here...All this must sink in as dh is a strong supporter of our homeschooling... I was reading aloud Ramona the Pest to my youngest yesterday and I found lots of food for thought about schools and children who think out of the box - ended up sharing these thoughts with dh and older sons at the dinner table. Food for unschooling thought seems to be everywhere! lol! Leonie W.
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achisms5
The conditions are
sure* that they cover the same things as the ps. You can be aware of
what the ps covers if you are really worried and kind of mentally, or
in a journal record what your children learn. But if I remember
right, your children are pretty young. Is it really a possibility
that it would be suddenly necessary for them to enter ps tomorrow
with no warning? If not, then I think if it comes to that you could
get them "on track" pretty quickly. In the meantime, enjoy the
freedom of unschooling.
Mary
> that our children be prepared to enter ps if it becomesnecessary....cover
> same learning objectives as ps. Just got to figure out how to dothis in
> unschooly kind of way. Please don't say its impossible!I think it would be kind of hard to really unschool if you *make
sure* that they cover the same things as the ps. You can be aware of
what the ps covers if you are really worried and kind of mentally, or
in a journal record what your children learn. But if I remember
right, your children are pretty young. Is it really a possibility
that it would be suddenly necessary for them to enter ps tomorrow
with no warning? If not, then I think if it comes to that you could
get them "on track" pretty quickly. In the meantime, enjoy the
freedom of unschooling.
Mary
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., robin9700@c... wrote:
> Thank you to all who recommended books (and other ideas) for "the
relunctant
> husband." I think that *I* will end up being the one doing the
reading. But,
> I'm thinking that's okay and that I should be grateful that we
have
> agreement to homeschool because *I* want to and believe in it so
much (with
> conditions). I like the idea of posting quotes...it would serve a
purpose
> for inspiring me and if it goes beyond that, then great! >
> Thanks to all,
> Robin
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 09/03/2002 4:17:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
leschke@... writes:
I'm interested in finding out more about this program. Would you share some
information or direct me toward a website?
Ginny (another Virginian, but not too new, just quiet)
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leschke@... writes:
> I once asked our online teacher (we do a distance ed program thatTia,
> completely lets us do our own thing as long as we report *something* 3
> times a year)
I'm interested in finding out more about this program. Would you share some
information or direct me toward a website?
Ginny (another Virginian, but not too new, just quiet)
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zenmomma *
> ><< .anyone know of a book (lessThis one gets my vote too. As a starting off point, from school to
> > is more!) or article of some sort that speaks to the "logical,"
>linear, standardized mind?
>
>Family matters : why homeschooling makes sense by David Guterson is the one
>I've heard recommended most often for reluctant husbands. Guterson is a
>high school teacher (or was - he's an novelist as well).>>
homeschool, it's a very logical, reasonable look at the benefits of
homeschooling. And it's easier for lots of husbands to take coming from a
man. It gives the dad's perspective.
Life is good.
~Mary
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In a message dated 9/2/2002 11:45:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, sheran@...
writes:
RObin
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writes:
> Hey, that would be a good book title--The Reluctant Husband. SomeoneIt would have to be short and heavily documented!
> should write that book! lol It could be for husbands to read whose
> wives want to homeschool or unschool and they need some encouragement
> to go along with it.
> Sheila
RObin
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[email protected]
In a message dated 9/3/2002 4:16:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
leschke@... writes:
Robin
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leschke@... writes:
> I once asked our online teacher (we do a distance ed program thatYep, I know. That's what I've said.
> completely lets us do our own thing as long as we report *something* 3
> times a year) how many kids in the average public school class would be
> right at grade level in every subject. His answer was none.
> When homeschooled kids enter public school, they get put in with all the
> other kids their age. Then the teacher copes with all those different
> levels. And the learning objectives are just that, objectives. <g>
> Tia
>
Robin
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[email protected]
In a message dated 9/3/2002 4:12:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,
westen@... writes:
westen@... writes:
> I do more unschool related reading than does my dh- but I continually share[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> with him what I've learned - you knwow - here's a great quote! hey, listen
> io this! I really like this book and what the author says here...All this
> must sink in as dh is a strong supporter of our homeschooling... I was
> reading aloud Ramona the Pest to my youngest yesterday and I found lots of
> food for thought about schools and children who think out of the box -
> ended up sharing these thoughts with dh and older sons at the dinner table.
> Food for unschooling thought seems to be everywhere! lol! Leonie W.
>
> My problem is that I have soapbox syndrome....:o)
>
> Robin
Tia Leschke
>Unfortunately for you, it's just for BC residents.
>Tia,
>I'm interested in finding out more about this program. Would you share some
>information or direct me toward a website?
>Ginny (another Virginian, but not too new, just quiet)
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/3/2002 5:36:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
marydan@... writes:
checklist (guess that's all in how you do it). "Always be Prepared"...isn't
that the boyscout motto? I can't do the stress of the "making sure" stuff,
anyway. Probably wouldn't have these worry problems if I knew and trusted
all would be okay...So i guess what it comes down to is the part of me that
is still stuck in "the old ways."
Thanks for listening and sharing everyone.
Robin
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marydan@... writes:
> I think it would be kind of hard to really unschool if you *makeThe journaling may be a good idea, but I wouldn't want it to become a
> sure* that they cover the same things as the ps. You can be aware of
> what the ps covers if you are really worried and kind of mentally, or
> in a journal record what your children learn. But if I remember
> right, your children are pretty young. Is it really a possibility
> that it would be suddenly necessary for them to enter ps tomorrow
> with no warning? If not, then I think if it comes to that you could
> get them "on track" pretty quickly. In the meantime, enjoy the
> freedom of unschooling.
>
>
> Mary
checklist (guess that's all in how you do it). "Always be Prepared"...isn't
that the boyscout motto? I can't do the stress of the "making sure" stuff,
anyway. Probably wouldn't have these worry problems if I knew and trusted
all would be okay...So i guess what it comes down to is the part of me that
is still stuck in "the old ways."
Thanks for listening and sharing everyone.
Robin
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Tia Leschke
>The first year we had to report on learning for Lars' program, I went
>The journaling may be a good idea, but I wouldn't want it to become a
>checklist (guess that's all in how you do it). "Always be Prepared"...isn't
>that the boyscout motto? I can't do the stress of the "making sure" stuff,
>anyway. Probably wouldn't have these worry problems if I knew and trusted
>all would be okay...So i guess what it comes down to is the part of me that
>is still stuck in "the old ways."
through all the learning outcomes from K-8 and checked off what he already
knew or could do. He had stuff checked off for all those grades! You
might want to try something like that for your hubby. It's just amazing
what kids end up knowing without being taught. <g>
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/3/02 12:02:40 PM Central Daylight Time, robin9700@...
writes:
~Nancy
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writes:
> It would have to be short and heavily documented!Yep! Less than one page long, accompanied by a 180 page source list. <g>
>
> RObin
>
~Nancy
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[email protected]
In a message dated 9/3/2002 1:14:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dnowens@...
writes:
RObin
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writes:
> It would have to be short and heavily documented!EXACTLY!!!!!
> >
> >RObin
> >
>
> Yep! Less than one page long, accompanied by a 180 page source list. <g>
> ~Nancy
>
RObin
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[email protected]
In a message dated 9/3/2002 1:03:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
leschke@... writes:
Thanks,
Robin
leschke@... writes:
>That soiunds like a good idea...
> The first year we had to report on learning for Lars' program, I went
> through all the learning outcomes from K-8 and checked off what he already
> knew or could do. He had stuff checked off for all those grades! You
> might want to try something like that for your hubby. It's just amazing
> what kids end up knowing without being taught. <g>
> Tia<<
>
Thanks,
Robin
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> Eleanor Roosevelt
> *********************************************
> Tia Leschke
> leschke@...
> On Vancouver Island
>
Gerard Westenberg
> My problem is that I have soapbox syndrome....:o)lol! I understand - mabe just wait and the proof will be in the pudding - the kids and their enthusiasm and activities..Leonie W.
> Robin
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In a message dated 9/2/2002 11:45:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sheran@...
writes:
"Reluctant Husband, Reluctant Dad". Bring the spouse! He thought it would be
great for dads---or for wives/moms to take home.
Kelly
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writes:
> Hey, that would be a good book title--The Reluctant Husband. SomeoneOddly enough, my husband is leading a funshop at the conference called
> should write that book! lol It could be for husbands to read whose
> wives want to homeschool or unschool and they need some encouragement
> to go along with it.
> Sheila
>
"Reluctant Husband, Reluctant Dad". Bring the spouse! He thought it would be
great for dads---or for wives/moms to take home.
Kelly
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[email protected]
In a message dated 9/3/2002 6:53:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
westen@... writes:
kids are happy and learning...I love to see it.
Robin
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westen@... writes:
> lol! I understand - mabe just wait and the proof will be in the pudding -Tell that to the Commonwealth of Virginia:0)! Sorry...I couldn't resist! My
> the kids and their enthusiasm and activities..Leonie W.
>
kids are happy and learning...I love to see it.
Robin
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