HSC tapes
kayb85
I'm trying to finalize my decision on which tapes to order. I'm
looking for the really cool unschooling ones. So far I'm getting
Pam's math tapes, Sandra's Peaceful Parenting, the video game one,
and probably the unschooling one with a whole bunch of people on it.
Are there any other really good unschooling ones that you recommend?
I thought the educating human children in an electronic world looked
interesting, but when I went to the hsc website, it looked like the
speaker might be more school-at-home than unschoolish? I don't want
to buy any that are going to be school-at-home kind of things.
Sheila
looking for the really cool unschooling ones. So far I'm getting
Pam's math tapes, Sandra's Peaceful Parenting, the video game one,
and probably the unschooling one with a whole bunch of people on it.
Are there any other really good unschooling ones that you recommend?
I thought the educating human children in an electronic world looked
interesting, but when I went to the hsc website, it looked like the
speaker might be more school-at-home than unschoolish? I don't want
to buy any that are going to be school-at-home kind of things.
Sheila
Betsy
**Are there any other really good unschooling ones that you recommend?
I thought the educating human children in an electronic world looked
interesting, but when I went to the hsc website, it looked like the
speaker might be more school-at-home than unschoolish? I don't want
to buy any that are going to be school-at-home kind of things. **
Hi, Sheila --
I didn't hear Jane Healy speak, but I would still recommend against her
tape if you want cool unschooling stuff. Throughout the conference,
anytime two or more unschoolers who like TV were gathered, they were
shaking their heads and rolling their eyes about how much they didn't
like her speech. Apparently it was very schooly.
Betsy
I thought the educating human children in an electronic world looked
interesting, but when I went to the hsc website, it looked like the
speaker might be more school-at-home than unschoolish? I don't want
to buy any that are going to be school-at-home kind of things. **
Hi, Sheila --
I didn't hear Jane Healy speak, but I would still recommend against her
tape if you want cool unschooling stuff. Throughout the conference,
anytime two or more unschoolers who like TV were gathered, they were
shaking their heads and rolling their eyes about how much they didn't
like her speech. Apparently it was very schooly.
Betsy
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In a message dated 8/31/02 12:32:18 AM, sheran@... writes:
<< Are there any other really good unschooling ones that you recommend?
I thought the educating human children in an electronic world looked
interesting, but when I went to the hsc website, it looked like the
speaker might be more school-at-home than unschoolish? >>
If it was Jane Healy, she's public-school and had never been to a
homeschooling conference or met a homescooled child until the day before she
spoke.
Sandra
<< Are there any other really good unschooling ones that you recommend?
I thought the educating human children in an electronic world looked
interesting, but when I went to the hsc website, it looked like the
speaker might be more school-at-home than unschoolish? >>
If it was Jane Healy, she's public-school and had never been to a
homeschooling conference or met a homescooled child until the day before she
spoke.
Sandra
Fetteroll
on 8/31/02 11:06 AM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:
important is whether someone's inside the box seeing only the inside or
inside the box but looking out. Or maybe studying the box from the outside.
Joyce
> If it was Jane Healy, she's public-schoolFor that matter, Frank Smith is public school oriented also. So maybe what's
important is whether someone's inside the box seeing only the inside or
inside the box but looking out. Or maybe studying the box from the outside.
Joyce
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In a message dated 8/31/02 10:04:04 AM, fetteroll@... writes:
<<
She bragged about being an English teacher, and a tough one, with high
standards, and her students knew it... (Went on and ON about it) and later
said she was invested (some strong word) in the school system, and she
paused, and there was silence, and she said "And always will be." More
silence.
Frank Smith was soft and thoughtful and funnier and looking at people in the
eyes. He was telling us things we could use that very same day, as we went
into other workshops (or led them, or spoke).
She was saying computer games were stupid (implying those who wrote them,
bought them, used them, liked them, were also stupid).
Sandra
<<
> If it was Jane Healy, she's public-schoolFor that matter, Frank Smith is public school oriented also. >>
She bragged about being an English teacher, and a tough one, with high
standards, and her students knew it... (Went on and ON about it) and later
said she was invested (some strong word) in the school system, and she
paused, and there was silence, and she said "And always will be." More
silence.
Frank Smith was soft and thoughtful and funnier and looking at people in the
eyes. He was telling us things we could use that very same day, as we went
into other workshops (or led them, or spoke).
She was saying computer games were stupid (implying those who wrote them,
bought them, used them, liked them, were also stupid).
Sandra
Betsy
**Frank Smith was soft and thoughtful and funnier and looking at people
in the eyes. He was telling us things we could use that very same day,
as we went into other workshops (or led them, or spoke). **
I believe the Frank Smith speeches were not taped, at his request. He
says he reserves the right to change his mind. Implying that he doesn't
want a ghostly copy of himself repeating the same old script even if his
ideas change.
Betsy
in the eyes. He was telling us things we could use that very same day,
as we went into other workshops (or led them, or spoke). **
I believe the Frank Smith speeches were not taped, at his request. He
says he reserves the right to change his mind. Implying that he doesn't
want a ghostly copy of himself repeating the same old script even if his
ideas change.
Betsy
Betsy
**She was saying computer games were stupid (implying those who wrote
them,
bought them, used them, liked them, were also stupid).**
Does anyone on this list play Threshold? I have a friend who is really
into it, and she tells me that the online roll-playing is a lot like
dramatic improvisation (without gestures) and that as a part of the game
some of the players do a lot of philosophical writing.
Anybody heard of this?
Betsy
them,
bought them, used them, liked them, were also stupid).**
Does anyone on this list play Threshold? I have a friend who is really
into it, and she tells me that the online roll-playing is a lot like
dramatic improvisation (without gestures) and that as a part of the game
some of the players do a lot of philosophical writing.
Anybody heard of this?
Betsy
Gerard Westenberg
<(Went on and ON about it) and later
said she was invested (some strong word) in the school system, and she paused, and there was silence, and she said "And always will be." More
silence.>
Have you read any of Jane Healy's books? In one - I think it is "Your Childs Growing Mind" - she talks about how she tried homeschooling for a short while and it didn't work for her child, so she writes that she has reservations about homeschooling...In Endangered Minds she cites scientific research on brain development and then makes the tenuous (imo) assertion that computer games and TV are not helpful for children in general and that their usage needs to be contained...As you can tell, I have not been impressed with her books! :-) Leonie W.
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said she was invested (some strong word) in the school system, and she paused, and there was silence, and she said "And always will be." More
silence.>
Have you read any of Jane Healy's books? In one - I think it is "Your Childs Growing Mind" - she talks about how she tried homeschooling for a short while and it didn't work for her child, so she writes that she has reservations about homeschooling...In Endangered Minds she cites scientific research on brain development and then makes the tenuous (imo) assertion that computer games and TV are not helpful for children in general and that their usage needs to be contained...As you can tell, I have not been impressed with her books! :-) Leonie W.
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In a message dated 9/1/02 9:07:25 PM, westen@... writes:
<< I think it is "Your Childs Growing Mind" - she talks about how she tried
homeschooling for a short while and it didn't work for her child >>
I didn't know that.
She certainly seemed SHOCKED that the teens who picked her up from the
airport were mature and together. Maybe shocked is too strong a word. Nah...
She said she hadn't had a reason for her path to cross with homeschoolers. I
guess when she tried it she wasn't in a support group or in contact with many
more, maybe!
AND... guessing, I'm guessing she would have done school at home.
Thanks for the information I'd rather not read the whole book to get!! <g>
Sandra
<< I think it is "Your Childs Growing Mind" - she talks about how she tried
homeschooling for a short while and it didn't work for her child >>
I didn't know that.
She certainly seemed SHOCKED that the teens who picked her up from the
airport were mature and together. Maybe shocked is too strong a word. Nah...
She said she hadn't had a reason for her path to cross with homeschoolers. I
guess when she tried it she wasn't in a support group or in contact with many
more, maybe!
AND... guessing, I'm guessing she would have done school at home.
Thanks for the information I'd rather not read the whole book to get!! <g>
Sandra
Gerard Westenberg
<AND... guessing, I'm guessing she would have done school at home.>
I think she did. I borrowed these books from the library, after a recommendation in a homeschooling catalogue, so don't have a copy handy to check all the details....Leonie W.
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I think she did. I borrowed these books from the library, after a recommendation in a homeschooling catalogue, so don't have a copy handy to check all the details....Leonie W.
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Tia Leschke
>Anybody have any idea why she was speaking at a homeschooling conference?
>
>Have you read any of Jane Healy's books? In one - I think it is "Your
>Childs Growing Mind" - she talks about how she tried homeschooling for a
>short while and it didn't work for her child, so she writes that she has
>reservations about homeschooling...
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Betsy
**
<< I think it is "Your Childs Growing Mind" - she talks about how she
tried
homeschooling for a short while and it didn't work for her child >>
I didn't know that.
She certainly seemed SHOCKED that the teens who picked her up from the
airport were mature and together. Maybe shocked is too strong a word. Nah...**
I have a faint glimmer of understanding of her feelings. I wasn't
shocked, but I was really, really impressed by the homeschooled teens
and young adults who spoke at the closing panel. I have 7 public
schooled nieces and newphews in the 16-24 age range. They are all
lovely people, very sweet and affectionate, but I've never heard them
discuss philosophical issues the articulate way that the homeschooled
kids did. (Maybe we've been talking about the wrong stuff.)
Betsy
<< I think it is "Your Childs Growing Mind" - she talks about how she
tried
homeschooling for a short while and it didn't work for her child >>
I didn't know that.
She certainly seemed SHOCKED that the teens who picked her up from the
airport were mature and together. Maybe shocked is too strong a word. Nah...**
I have a faint glimmer of understanding of her feelings. I wasn't
shocked, but I was really, really impressed by the homeschooled teens
and young adults who spoke at the closing panel. I have 7 public
schooled nieces and newphews in the 16-24 age range. They are all
lovely people, very sweet and affectionate, but I've never heard them
discuss philosophical issues the articulate way that the homeschooled
kids did. (Maybe we've been talking about the wrong stuff.)
Betsy
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/2/02 10:12:18 AM, leschke@... writes:
<< Anybody have any idea why she was speaking at a homeschooling conference?
to speak. There was a conflict and she couldn't.
This year I think they let her on as default because she had been a "maybe
next year" from last year.
I don't know for sure, but I don't think it was much more than that.
It seemed baffling to me for her to admit (to me in private later) that she'd
never met any homeschoolers and yet she'd been going on and on.
I don't have a copy, but I took notes while she was speaking and ended up
having an oppportunity to give them to her. I hadn't really planned to hand
them over, it was just an outlet for my energy while she was speaking. I
was addressing them to her but wasn't going to hunt her down and force them
on her. But we met in the speaker's room where snacks were (Carol Narigon
was with me, and we were the only three there), so I asked her a couple of
questions, gave those to her and asked her to read them later.
Basically I was saying that some of her statements (I gave examples) didn't
apply to homeschoolers, and I gave her reasons that I believe that
summarizing for children and telling them what they've learned and how it can
be applied is very BAD in a natural learning situation.
After I was home I send her copies of the video game workshop tape (she had
asked one of the organizers for one, and I volunteered to be the
mailer-person) and the handouts from that, and a copy of my unschooling talk.
Sandra
<< Anybody have any idea why she was speaking at a homeschooling conference?
>>I heard last year's coordinator had liked one of her books, and invited her
to speak. There was a conflict and she couldn't.
This year I think they let her on as default because she had been a "maybe
next year" from last year.
I don't know for sure, but I don't think it was much more than that.
It seemed baffling to me for her to admit (to me in private later) that she'd
never met any homeschoolers and yet she'd been going on and on.
I don't have a copy, but I took notes while she was speaking and ended up
having an oppportunity to give them to her. I hadn't really planned to hand
them over, it was just an outlet for my energy while she was speaking. I
was addressing them to her but wasn't going to hunt her down and force them
on her. But we met in the speaker's room where snacks were (Carol Narigon
was with me, and we were the only three there), so I asked her a couple of
questions, gave those to her and asked her to read them later.
Basically I was saying that some of her statements (I gave examples) didn't
apply to homeschoolers, and I gave her reasons that I believe that
summarizing for children and telling them what they've learned and how it can
be applied is very BAD in a natural learning situation.
After I was home I send her copies of the video game workshop tape (she had
asked one of the organizers for one, and I volunteered to be the
mailer-person) and the handouts from that, and a copy of my unschooling talk.
Sandra
[email protected]
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:20:51 EDT SandraDodd@... writes:
couple of months ago to speak to a group of mostly-homeschoolers in
Nevada City or somewhere near there... the Waldorf-inspired homeschoolers
really like her, as you could probably guess, but they did also note that
she was pretty ignorant about homeschooling.
Dar
> I heard last year's coordinator had liked one of her books, andThat's about it. Last year's coordinator also got her to come out a
> invited her to speak. There was a conflict and she couldn't.
>
> This year I think they let her on as default because she had been a
> "maybe next year" from last year.
>
couple of months ago to speak to a group of mostly-homeschoolers in
Nevada City or somewhere near there... the Waldorf-inspired homeschoolers
really like her, as you could probably guess, but they did also note that
she was pretty ignorant about homeschooling.
Dar
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/2/02 1:13:35 PM, freeform@... writes:
<< Last year's coordinator also got her to come out a
couple of months ago to speak to a group of mostly-homeschoolers in
Nevada City or somewhere near there... >>
Well then she must have just spoken and gone away, because it seemed she
neither socialized nor met any people's kids!
Sandra
<< Last year's coordinator also got her to come out a
couple of months ago to speak to a group of mostly-homeschoolers in
Nevada City or somewhere near there... >>
Well then she must have just spoken and gone away, because it seemed she
neither socialized nor met any people's kids!
Sandra
[email protected]
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:07:50 EDT SandraDodd@... writes:
mixed group, although a bunch of homeschoolers from here went, including
the afore-mentioned last year's coordinator. It was a 3 or 4 hour evening
thing, though, so probably no kids went, or very few.
She appeals to the crunchy granola homeschoolers, and there are a lot of
them around here.
dar
> In a message dated 9/2/02 1:13:35 PM, freeform@... writes:I was wrong. It was in April, and in Auburn. And I guess it was more of a
>
> << Last year's coordinator also got her to come out a
> couple of months ago to speak to a group of mostly-homeschoolers in
> Nevada City or somewhere near there... >>
>
> Well then she must have just spoken and gone away, because it seemed
> she neither socialized nor met any people's kids!
>
mixed group, although a bunch of homeschoolers from here went, including
the afore-mentioned last year's coordinator. It was a 3 or 4 hour evening
thing, though, so probably no kids went, or very few.
She appeals to the crunchy granola homeschoolers, and there are a lot of
them around here.
dar
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/2/02 4:59:46 PM Central Daylight Time, freeform@...
writes:
are.
~Nancy who loves her birks and homemade granola!
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writes:
> She appeals to the crunchy granola homeschoolers, and there are a lot of<g> what are the crunchy granola homeschoolers? I thought that was what we
> them around here.
>
> dar
are.
~Nancy who loves her birks and homemade granola!
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Kelli Traaseth
I was wondering the same thing, and do you know a good granola recipe? A bit off subject, sorry.
Kelli
Dnowens@... wrote:In a message dated 9/2/02 4:59:46 PM Central Daylight Time, freeform@...
writes:
are.
~Nancy who loves her birks and homemade granola!
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Dnowens@... wrote:In a message dated 9/2/02 4:59:46 PM Central Daylight Time, freeform@...
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> She appeals to the crunchy granola homeschoolers, and there are a lot of<g> what are the crunchy granola homeschoolers? I thought that was what we
> them around here.
>
> dar
are.
~Nancy who loves her birks and homemade granola!
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