Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 2294
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In a message dated 8/27/2002 9:22:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
read, by reading Shakespeare. Seriously. We were performing in a local
Shakespeare theater group, she was one of the three fairies in Midsummer
Night's Dream. She was 7. She didn't read yet, at all. But she held the
script and (I thought) pretended to read along, during rehearsal after
rehearsal. One day I came into the living room and caught her upside down on
the couch/sofa/davenport -- feet kicking in the air -- reading the script
with great expression. I thought she'd memorized it, of course (quite a feat,
itself), but it turned out that sometime over those previous weeks she'd
started actually reading -- I realized that when I noticed she was reading
more than just the dialog. That was it, she read fluently from them on.
She's always loved Shakespeare - she spent her own money at a garage sale to
buy a full set of little volumes of all of Shakespeare's works. They were
selling them for $50, but she misread it as $5. When they seller saw the
heartbroken look on her face, he sold them to her for the $5 and loaded them
into our car and could not stop grinning at her - as they chatted about
various plays. Called his wife out of the house to meet her.
I wouldn't READ Shakespeare with my kids, though, unless they already loved
it enough to really want to read it. I'd watch the video Much Ado About
Nothing with Kenneth Branaugh (my younger kids always just thought that the
whole thing was because of a "kiss") and I'd read "Tales from Shakespeare" by
the Lambs (maybe before going to see an actual production) and I'd watch the
video of Hamlet with Mel Gibson AND (for those who can handle the sadness)
the version of Romeo and Juliet with Olivia Hussey -- the Leonardo DiCaprio
gang version for older kids and West Side Story, too. And - I'd go see
Macbeth with a kid who likes scary stuff and Comedy of Errors for those who
like that kind of humor.
Shakespeare's plays can be raunchy or scary or sad or funny and I think they
are delightful --- but they can also be VERY VERY boring to read.
--pam
National Home Education Network
http://www.NHEN.org
Changing the Way the World Sees Homeschooling!
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[email protected] writes:
> And Shakespeare is too intense for young kids, or at least my youngYou've touched a nerve here - for me. First, my youngest daughter learned to
> kids. But when they're older, I would read Shakespeare with my kids.
read, by reading Shakespeare. Seriously. We were performing in a local
Shakespeare theater group, she was one of the three fairies in Midsummer
Night's Dream. She was 7. She didn't read yet, at all. But she held the
script and (I thought) pretended to read along, during rehearsal after
rehearsal. One day I came into the living room and caught her upside down on
the couch/sofa/davenport -- feet kicking in the air -- reading the script
with great expression. I thought she'd memorized it, of course (quite a feat,
itself), but it turned out that sometime over those previous weeks she'd
started actually reading -- I realized that when I noticed she was reading
more than just the dialog. That was it, she read fluently from them on.
She's always loved Shakespeare - she spent her own money at a garage sale to
buy a full set of little volumes of all of Shakespeare's works. They were
selling them for $50, but she misread it as $5. When they seller saw the
heartbroken look on her face, he sold them to her for the $5 and loaded them
into our car and could not stop grinning at her - as they chatted about
various plays. Called his wife out of the house to meet her.
I wouldn't READ Shakespeare with my kids, though, unless they already loved
it enough to really want to read it. I'd watch the video Much Ado About
Nothing with Kenneth Branaugh (my younger kids always just thought that the
whole thing was because of a "kiss") and I'd read "Tales from Shakespeare" by
the Lambs (maybe before going to see an actual production) and I'd watch the
video of Hamlet with Mel Gibson AND (for those who can handle the sadness)
the version of Romeo and Juliet with Olivia Hussey -- the Leonardo DiCaprio
gang version for older kids and West Side Story, too. And - I'd go see
Macbeth with a kid who likes scary stuff and Comedy of Errors for those who
like that kind of humor.
Shakespeare's plays can be raunchy or scary or sad or funny and I think they
are delightful --- but they can also be VERY VERY boring to read.
--pam
National Home Education Network
http://www.NHEN.org
Changing the Way the World Sees Homeschooling!
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[email protected]
In a message dated 8/27/2002 9:22:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
wrong, I'm not a fan at ALL of most punk/rap music - I get to hear a fair
amount of it and I don't like much of it... once in a while one of the teens
in my life wants to play something for me they think I'll like, and I can
bring myself to appreciate it - to appreciate what they are appreciating, at
least.
But I also don't think that something has to "teach" the difference between
right and wrong for people to learn about that difference from it. Have you
seen the movie, Road to Perdition? I don't want to give it away to those who
haven't seen it - it is WELL worth seeing!!!!!! It really is about this topic
though - of learning to distinguish right from wrong - not from someone
moralizing/teaching it, that's for sure. I can't say enough about how much I
liked that movie - I think it is a deceptively simple plot, with HUGE
implications that nobody tries to pound into the audiences' heads. Lots of
food for thought about parenting and loyalty and learning good/evil and anger
and love and so on.
--pam
National Home Education Network
http://www.NHEN.org
Changing the Way the World Sees Homeschooling!
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[email protected] writes:
> On the other hand, music that is going to be listened to over andMaybe we think of "teaching" and "celebrating" differently. Don't get me
> over and over again that makes it sound like violence or lusting
> after someone is a good thing doesn't teach the difference between
> right and wrong, it just celebrates the wrong.
>
wrong, I'm not a fan at ALL of most punk/rap music - I get to hear a fair
amount of it and I don't like much of it... once in a while one of the teens
in my life wants to play something for me they think I'll like, and I can
bring myself to appreciate it - to appreciate what they are appreciating, at
least.
But I also don't think that something has to "teach" the difference between
right and wrong for people to learn about that difference from it. Have you
seen the movie, Road to Perdition? I don't want to give it away to those who
haven't seen it - it is WELL worth seeing!!!!!! It really is about this topic
though - of learning to distinguish right from wrong - not from someone
moralizing/teaching it, that's for sure. I can't say enough about how much I
liked that movie - I think it is a deceptively simple plot, with HUGE
implications that nobody tries to pound into the audiences' heads. Lots of
food for thought about parenting and loyalty and learning good/evil and anger
and love and so on.
--pam
National Home Education Network
http://www.NHEN.org
Changing the Way the World Sees Homeschooling!
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[email protected]
In a message dated 8/27/2002 9:22:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
that I'm giving away the ending). The way they really stage it is with a
trampoline behind the set, so she is really jumping onto a trampoline. There
have been productions where she bounced so high that she was visible above
the set on her rebound -- to the dismay and amusement of the audience, I'm
sure. Anyway -- we have the video and have watched it over and over. Once in
a while it makes me want to go jump on a trampoline. Hasn't yet made me want
to jump off of high walls, though <G>.
--pamS
National Home Education Network
http://www.NHEN.org
Changing the Way the World Sees Homeschooling!
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[email protected] writes:
> Opera is often about betrayal and death. I've never heard even fictionalIn Tosca - the heroine jumps off a rampart wall, to her death (hope its okay
> accounts of opera fans wanting to engage in murder because of something
> they
> listened to over and over and over.
that I'm giving away the ending). The way they really stage it is with a
trampoline behind the set, so she is really jumping onto a trampoline. There
have been productions where she bounced so high that she was visible above
the set on her rebound -- to the dismay and amusement of the audience, I'm
sure. Anyway -- we have the video and have watched it over and over. Once in
a while it makes me want to go jump on a trampoline. Hasn't yet made me want
to jump off of high walls, though <G>.
--pamS
National Home Education Network
http://www.NHEN.org
Changing the Way the World Sees Homeschooling!
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Heather Woodward
I really like Shakespeare - as do my children. I had thought my daughter 8 too young for Shakespeare in the Park - for the last couple of years, but decided to take her this year. They were doing comedy of errors. Both she and my other children (3,&4) enjoyed it.
The really great part was, that she wanted the actors to sign her program. So I took her backstage and the actors and actresses were more than happy to do so, and talk with her about the play. She wanted to go back again - and we did - this time bringing an entourage of her friends...
I do think that Shakespearean theater is different than movies, Hamlet with Glen Close and Mel Gibson was a little too Freudian from the way I interpreted the play.
But I guess it is all in how you see something.
The really great part was, that she wanted the actors to sign her program. So I took her backstage and the actors and actresses were more than happy to do so, and talk with her about the play. She wanted to go back again - and we did - this time bringing an entourage of her friends...
I do think that Shakespearean theater is different than movies, Hamlet with Glen Close and Mel Gibson was a little too Freudian from the way I interpreted the play.
But I guess it is all in how you see something.
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From: PSoroosh@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 2294
In a message dated 8/27/2002 9:22:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> And Shakespeare is too intense for young kids, or at least my young
> kids. But when they're older, I would read Shakespeare with my kids.
You've touched a nerve here - for me. First, my youngest daughter learned to
read, by reading Shakespeare. Seriously. We were performing in a local
Shakespeare theater group, she was one of the three fairies in Midsummer
Night's Dream. She was 7. She didn't read yet, at all. But she held the
script and (I thought) pretended to read along, during rehearsal after
rehearsal. One day I came into the living room and caught her upside down on
the couch/sofa/davenport -- feet kicking in the air -- reading the script
with great expression. I thought she'd memorized it, of course (quite a feat,
itself), but it turned out that sometime over those previous weeks she'd
started actually reading -- I realized that when I noticed she was reading
more than just the dialog. That was it, she read fluently from them on.
She's always loved Shakespeare - she spent her own money at a garage sale to
buy a full set of little volumes of all of Shakespeare's works. They were
selling them for $50, but she misread it as $5. When they seller saw the
heartbroken look on her face, he sold them to her for the $5 and loaded them
into our car and could not stop grinning at her - as they chatted about
various plays. Called his wife out of the house to meet her.
I wouldn't READ Shakespeare with my kids, though, unless they already loved
it enough to really want to read it. I'd watch the video Much Ado About
Nothing with Kenneth Branaugh (my younger kids always just thought that the
whole thing was because of a "kiss") and I'd read "Tales from Shakespeare" by
the Lambs (maybe before going to see an actual production) and I'd watch the
video of Hamlet with Mel Gibson AND (for those who can handle the sadness)
the version of Romeo and Juliet with Olivia Hussey -- the Leonardo DiCaprio
gang version for older kids and West Side Story, too. And - I'd go see
Macbeth with a kid who likes scary stuff and Comedy of Errors for those who
like that kind of humor.
Shakespeare's plays can be raunchy or scary or sad or funny and I think they
are delightful --- but they can also be VERY VERY boring to read.
--pam
National Home Education Network
http://www.NHEN.org
Changing the Way the World Sees Homeschooling!
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[email protected]
In a message dated 8/27/02 2:50:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
PSoroosh@... writes:
Tanya
mom to Andrew Jordan 4/1/00 and Eli Hunter 10/29/01
You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him to find it within
himself
--Galileo
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PSoroosh@... writes:
> She's always loved Shakespeare - she spent her own money at a garage sale toWhat a nice nice man...he must have been impressed with her though :)
>
> buy a full set of little volumes of all of Shakespeare's works. They were
> selling them for $50, but she misread it as $5. When they seller saw the
> heartbroken look on her face, he sold them to her for the $5 and loaded
> them
> into our car and could not stop grinning at her - as they chatted about
> various plays. Called his wife out of the house to meet her.
Tanya
mom to Andrew Jordan 4/1/00 and Eli Hunter 10/29/01
You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him to find it within
himself
--Galileo
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