Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] To Cherry in GA
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In a message dated 8/26/2002 1:33:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
savagewilson@... writes:
Do you want to talk about this? 'Cause I would love to. I deal with it
everyday. The anger isn't just a black thing -- it drives through my mostly
Asian and Hispanic neighborhood every day and night. It comes on my TV. I
meet it at work every night.
Why is the anger manifest?
Bob
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savagewilson@... writes:
> Maybe you should concentrateCherry,
> on WHY the anger is manifest.
Do you want to talk about this? 'Cause I would love to. I deal with it
everyday. The anger isn't just a black thing -- it drives through my mostly
Asian and Hispanic neighborhood every day and night. It comes on my TV. I
meet it at work every night.
Why is the anger manifest?
Bob
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In a message dated 8/26/02 9:44:36 AM, rsale515@... writes:
<< Do you want to talk about this? 'Cause I would love to. I deal with it
everyday. The anger isn't just a black thing >>
Will it help people unschool?
<< Do you want to talk about this? 'Cause I would love to. I deal with it
everyday. The anger isn't just a black thing >>
Will it help people unschool?
Tia Leschke
>It could, if it helps us understand why our kids like the music they do, or
>
><< Do you want to talk about this? 'Cause I would love to. I deal with it
>everyday. The anger isn't just a black thing >>
>
>Will it help people unschool?
something.
I thought this sounded like Bob maybe wanting to turn something that was
getting ugly around toward more of a discussion. I could be wrong.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
saka30080
I think I may be able to tie the whole anger thing into unschooling
by the end of this thing. I believe that most anger comes from lack
of acceptance, lack of compassion and fear. Anger is not a race
thing, it's always been with all of us. I believe it's part of our
lives because we don't do what is natural, we're constantly trying to
change others, change ourselves and fit in. Improving ourselves
would be the better goal to me. Unschooling is one of my ways of
improving my son's life, my husband's and my own.
I also think history cannot be ignored, it shouldn't be worshipped
but it should be respected. (And the following has nothing to do
with race, Africans and Europeans both played a hand in the slave
trade.) The people who settled the Americas originally using
genocide, slavery and violence started a ball in motion that is still
rolling today. Sadly the sins (self-inflicted nonsense) of the
father are visited on the son. Our foundation is not one of love but
of rape, violence and forced assimilation. Why do we expect that not
to be carried down through the generations? That does not excuse
destructive behavior but it can explain it. People don't spring
forth fully formed from the ground, they are born to people who have
taught them, at times brainwashed and influenced them to hate the
same things they hate and to love the things they love. It takes
time for hateful teaching to be diluted. It's not just going to
disappear in 10 generations or even 20 and mostly likely not 30.
Whether we acknowledge
it consciously or not there is a script running in our heads most of
the day. It's our parents voice, our teachers voices, our preacher,
our oppressor, etc. Destructively angry people haven't heard many
compassionate voices. I don't believe they can hear them most of the
time because they are so infrequent in their world. Criticizing them
only adds fuel to the fire. That's why I take issue with Stanley
Crouch, though I do agree with him on many things and don't consider
him an Uncle Tom. However, I'd be more impressed with him if he shut
his mouth and moved his ass. He talks alot but offers no substantial
solutions. He's also one of those people who tells people how they
SHOULD be. As long as he's telling people what to do to be
acceptable he's a contributor to the problems.
I don't think people can be forced to stop being destructive, but
individuals can avoid adding fuel to the fire. Life is a journey
that needs to be played out, patiently. I'm an optimist who believes
the world is getting better. But we have to allow the storm to play
out.
To tie this into unschooling. I started out on the homeschooling
journey with anger in my heart at the system, at my parents who
bought into the system and at the world in general. I was tired of
feeling unhappy and tired of feeling I had to do things the way
everyone told me I should, because those shoulds went against my
nature. I think I've moved towards unschooling because I'm not angry
anymore, I don't fear as much and I've accepted that it's ok to let
nature take it's course, I
don't have to constantly fight my own nature, which is basically
good. I can allow my son the room to be himself and to see himself
as a good and worthy person, something missing on a wide scale in the
black community.
Cherry in GA
by the end of this thing. I believe that most anger comes from lack
of acceptance, lack of compassion and fear. Anger is not a race
thing, it's always been with all of us. I believe it's part of our
lives because we don't do what is natural, we're constantly trying to
change others, change ourselves and fit in. Improving ourselves
would be the better goal to me. Unschooling is one of my ways of
improving my son's life, my husband's and my own.
I also think history cannot be ignored, it shouldn't be worshipped
but it should be respected. (And the following has nothing to do
with race, Africans and Europeans both played a hand in the slave
trade.) The people who settled the Americas originally using
genocide, slavery and violence started a ball in motion that is still
rolling today. Sadly the sins (self-inflicted nonsense) of the
father are visited on the son. Our foundation is not one of love but
of rape, violence and forced assimilation. Why do we expect that not
to be carried down through the generations? That does not excuse
destructive behavior but it can explain it. People don't spring
forth fully formed from the ground, they are born to people who have
taught them, at times brainwashed and influenced them to hate the
same things they hate and to love the things they love. It takes
time for hateful teaching to be diluted. It's not just going to
disappear in 10 generations or even 20 and mostly likely not 30.
Whether we acknowledge
it consciously or not there is a script running in our heads most of
the day. It's our parents voice, our teachers voices, our preacher,
our oppressor, etc. Destructively angry people haven't heard many
compassionate voices. I don't believe they can hear them most of the
time because they are so infrequent in their world. Criticizing them
only adds fuel to the fire. That's why I take issue with Stanley
Crouch, though I do agree with him on many things and don't consider
him an Uncle Tom. However, I'd be more impressed with him if he shut
his mouth and moved his ass. He talks alot but offers no substantial
solutions. He's also one of those people who tells people how they
SHOULD be. As long as he's telling people what to do to be
acceptable he's a contributor to the problems.
I don't think people can be forced to stop being destructive, but
individuals can avoid adding fuel to the fire. Life is a journey
that needs to be played out, patiently. I'm an optimist who believes
the world is getting better. But we have to allow the storm to play
out.
To tie this into unschooling. I started out on the homeschooling
journey with anger in my heart at the system, at my parents who
bought into the system and at the world in general. I was tired of
feeling unhappy and tired of feeling I had to do things the way
everyone told me I should, because those shoulds went against my
nature. I think I've moved towards unschooling because I'm not angry
anymore, I don't fear as much and I've accepted that it's ok to let
nature take it's course, I
don't have to constantly fight my own nature, which is basically
good. I can allow my son the room to be himself and to see himself
as a good and worthy person, something missing on a wide scale in the
black community.
Cherry in GA
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> In a message dated 8/26/02 9:44:36 AM, rsale515@c... writes:
>
> << Do you want to talk about this? 'Cause I would love to. I deal
with it
> everyday. The anger isn't just a black thing >>
>
> Will it help people unschool?