I'm offended (was Re: Eminem-long)
saka30080
I'm offended by Bob Sales' entire post but mostly by this passage.
<Indeed, when the safe and protected children of
anointed families spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year to
entertain themselves on the pornography that is rap music, clearly
the
chickens have yet to come home to roost. But when white and wealthy
Johnny
skips karate class or soccer and instead rapes the 12 year old girl
down the
road, "keepin' it real" like the "homies" he respects so much on his
CD's,
then Mom and Dad will have to deal with the reality. But for now ... >
Just because young white people choose to listen to the rap music
that express these sentiments does not mean that this is all there is
to rap music. Calling rap music pornography is so insulting I feel
like crying. Listen to Mos Def, Common, Lauryn Hill, the Roots, the
Nappy Roots and many others and I dare you to paint rap with the
broad brush of pornography. I cannot stand when white people who've
only heard what the mainstream media dishes out stand on a soapbox
and insult an entire art form with little knowledge. No one would
think to call all rock music pornography based on stuff like "I want
to F--- you like an animal" by Nine Inch Nails or Erotica by Madonna
(or countless others) But you know what rap is still a largely black
artform, so it's ok, right? You'd be much better off questioning why
this is what children are attracted to. Why is mainstream culture in
general so full of sex and violence? It didn't begin with rap
music. I don't apologize at all for being a rap fan.
Cherry in GA
<Indeed, when the safe and protected children of
anointed families spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year to
entertain themselves on the pornography that is rap music, clearly
the
chickens have yet to come home to roost. But when white and wealthy
Johnny
skips karate class or soccer and instead rapes the 12 year old girl
down the
road, "keepin' it real" like the "homies" he respects so much on his
CD's,
then Mom and Dad will have to deal with the reality. But for now ... >
Just because young white people choose to listen to the rap music
that express these sentiments does not mean that this is all there is
to rap music. Calling rap music pornography is so insulting I feel
like crying. Listen to Mos Def, Common, Lauryn Hill, the Roots, the
Nappy Roots and many others and I dare you to paint rap with the
broad brush of pornography. I cannot stand when white people who've
only heard what the mainstream media dishes out stand on a soapbox
and insult an entire art form with little knowledge. No one would
think to call all rock music pornography based on stuff like "I want
to F--- you like an animal" by Nine Inch Nails or Erotica by Madonna
(or countless others) But you know what rap is still a largely black
artform, so it's ok, right? You'd be much better off questioning why
this is what children are attracted to. Why is mainstream culture in
general so full of sex and violence? It didn't begin with rap
music. I don't apologize at all for being a rap fan.
Cherry in GA
Tia Leschke
> You'd be much better off questioning whyGood for you, Cherry. I don't particularly like rap, but I've listened to
>this is what children are attracted to. Why is mainstream culture in
>general so full of sex and violence? It didn't begin with rap
>music. I don't apologize at all for being a rap fan.
a lot in the car with my son. I don't find most of it offensive, and a lot
of the lyrics are quite meaningful.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Mary Muday
Thanks Tia, I agree w/ you and Cherry. Mary
Tia Leschke wrote:
a lot in the car with my son. I don't find most of it offensive, and a lot
of the lyrics are quite meaningful.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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Tia Leschke wrote:
> You'd be much better off questioning whyGood for you, Cherry. I don't particularly like rap, but I've listened to
>this is what children are attracted to. Why is mainstream culture in
>general so full of sex and violence? It didn't begin with rap
>music. I don't apologize at all for being a rap fan.
a lot in the car with my son. I don't find most of it offensive, and a lot
of the lyrics are quite meaningful.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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Gerard Westenberg
< Why is mainstream culture in
general so full of sex and violence? It didn't begin with rap music. >
My point exactly. We seem to have this violence in different vehicles in our culture and our history..I think this can be addressed without blaming rap music - I try to address these issues in my home without censorship..Leonie
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general so full of sex and violence? It didn't begin with rap music. >
My point exactly. We seem to have this violence in different vehicles in our culture and our history..I think this can be addressed without blaming rap music - I try to address these issues in my home without censorship..Leonie
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In a message dated 8/25/02 7:20:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
savagewilson@... writes:
Eminem, and so do my kids. The point though, is that Bob's post shows a very
racist view. He states that Mom and Dad will have to deal with reality when
"rich, white, Johnny skips karate to rape the 12 y.o. down the street" so he
can "keep it real like his homies". I assume by the word homie, Bob is
referring to the young black American male. And I gather from his post that
Bob thinks that if this hypothetical rich white boy listens to the poor black
boy's music then the rich white boy will be just like the black boy. To
categorize all young, poor, black youth as a drug abusing (or selling) gun
carrying, gangbanging, rapist is a sad statement on Bob's knowledge of black
America. His blanket statement that says if we allow our "rich, white (all
American) boys" access to rap, they are going to be just like the black boy
down in the hood, is crap, and racist! BTW Bob, Eminem isn't gansta-rap, he
is white (not that that matters) and many of his songs talk about men like
you.
~Nancy who doesn't think twice about her kids listening to Eminem, Jennifer
Lopez, Britney Spears, Celtic music, folk music, disco, Run DMC (do they even
rap anymore?) The Cure, Flock of Seagulls, Madonna, Billy Joel, Louis
Armstrong, Metallica, Queen, Gloria Gaynor, ABBA, Elvis Costello, Willie
Nelson, ELO, The Clash, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, Bob Dylan, Shena Easton,
Van McCoy, The Village People, Carly Simon, Sean P. Combs, Pink, Incubus,
Creed, U2, Will Smith, Lauryn Hill, Areosmith, Destnys Child, Motley Crew,
Elton John...
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savagewilson@... writes:
> I'm offended by Bob Sales' entire post but mostly by this passage.I agree with Cherry. Although I am not a big rap fan, (if at all) I do like
>
> <Indeed, when the safe and protected children of
> anointed families spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year to
> entertain themselves on the pornography that is rap music, clearly
> the
> chickens have yet to come home to roost. But when white and wealthy
> Johnny
> skips karate class or soccer and instead rapes the 12 year old girl
> down the
> road, "keepin' it real" like the "homies" he respects so much on his
> CD's,
> then Mom and Dad will have to deal with the reality. But for now ... >
>
> Just because young white people choose to listen to the rap music
> that express these sentiments does not mean that this is all there is
> to rap music. Calling rap music pornography is so insulting I feel
> like crying. Listen to Mos Def, Common, Lauryn Hill, the Roots, the
> Nappy Roots and many others and I dare you to paint rap with the
> broad brush of pornography. I cannot stand when white people who've
> only heard what the mainstream media dishes out stand on a soapbox
> and insult an entire art form with little knowledge. No one would
> think to call all rock music pornography based on stuff like "I want
> to F--- you like an animal" by Nine Inch Nails or Erotica by Madonna
> (or countless others) But you know what rap is still a largely black
> artform, so it's ok, right? You'd be much better off questioning why
> this is what children are attracted to. Why is mainstream culture in
> general so full of sex and violence? It didn't begin with rap
> music. I don't apologize at all for being a rap fan.
>
> Cherry in GA
Eminem, and so do my kids. The point though, is that Bob's post shows a very
racist view. He states that Mom and Dad will have to deal with reality when
"rich, white, Johnny skips karate to rape the 12 y.o. down the street" so he
can "keep it real like his homies". I assume by the word homie, Bob is
referring to the young black American male. And I gather from his post that
Bob thinks that if this hypothetical rich white boy listens to the poor black
boy's music then the rich white boy will be just like the black boy. To
categorize all young, poor, black youth as a drug abusing (or selling) gun
carrying, gangbanging, rapist is a sad statement on Bob's knowledge of black
America. His blanket statement that says if we allow our "rich, white (all
American) boys" access to rap, they are going to be just like the black boy
down in the hood, is crap, and racist! BTW Bob, Eminem isn't gansta-rap, he
is white (not that that matters) and many of his songs talk about men like
you.
~Nancy who doesn't think twice about her kids listening to Eminem, Jennifer
Lopez, Britney Spears, Celtic music, folk music, disco, Run DMC (do they even
rap anymore?) The Cure, Flock of Seagulls, Madonna, Billy Joel, Louis
Armstrong, Metallica, Queen, Gloria Gaynor, ABBA, Elvis Costello, Willie
Nelson, ELO, The Clash, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, Bob Dylan, Shena Easton,
Van McCoy, The Village People, Carly Simon, Sean P. Combs, Pink, Incubus,
Creed, U2, Will Smith, Lauryn Hill, Areosmith, Destnys Child, Motley Crew,
Elton John...
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In a message dated 8/25/02 9:56:45 PM, Dnowens@... writes:
<< Queen . . .The Village People. . .Elton John... >>
If your boys are homosexuals, you will know who to blame.
Yourself. For not limiting what they listened to.
And with the exception of the disco New Yorkers, the list above is PROOF that
English boys are POOFS. (Oh wait... your list also had lots of heterosexual
Englishmen...) AND classically trained musicians can become homosexuals, and
so perhaps piano lessons are a danger to morality.
Well the point is no matter HOW many straight, hard-working,
non-drug-referencing musicians your children hear, those violent few will
ruin their lives. Like that Paul McCartney and his "Maxwell's Silver
Hammer." And John Lennon's "Why Don't We Do it in the Road." That's
DISGUSTING. When Americans everywhere are doing it in the road, it will be
because their parents didn't have the gumption to Just Say No to English
perverts and their pornographic lyrics.
I went to Google.com and entered
queen musicians classical homosexual
hoping for a good quote on Freddie Mercury, but his band wasn't the main
topic until the TWELFTH ENTRY (of 681 on "queen musicians classical
homosexual").
Anyway, first the quote on Freddy Mercury, and then the first few entries for
anyone else really concerned about the shameful connections among studying
music classically, being gay, and, in many cases, being English.
------
Why Did Freddie Grow A Moustache?
To annoy Americans, for whom even the smallest, most insignificant gestures
can have dire significance. Many of them were horrified that it could mean he
was gay, even though the men in his family had been sporting the furry
caterpillar for generations. Perhaps it was in homage to the gay community,
in a similar way that many Americans sport tens of kilos of surplus fat in
homage to fast food.
--------------------
Classical Anglican Net News Archive -- February 2002
... Classical Anglican Net News Archive February ... A STRANGE and
controversial painting
of Queen ... Bishop over views on homosexual ... 10). CHRISTIAN MUSICIANS:
Rockers 'U2 ...
www.prayerbook.ca/cann/2002/2002_02.htm - 40k - Cached - Similar pages
THE SATANIC ROOTS OF ROCK
... a telegram from their manager, a homosexual ... signing up dozens of
starving German classical ... Musicians
who sought to preserve the ... of the British Empire by Queen ...
www.geocities.com/backmasking_2000/roots45.html - 53k - Cached - Similar pages
index
... in Hamburg, the Beatles' manager, a homosexual ... at EMI Martin was a
trained classical ... Musicians
who sought to preserve the ... Member of the British Empire by Queen ...
Description: Claims that the Beatles "polluted the Earth". Analyzes lyrics
and their history.
Category: Arts > Music > Anti-Music > Beatles
www.geocities.com/mmiddleton87/ - 21k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.geocities.com ]
Tchaikovsky Biography
... married a 28-year-old ex-student to quiet the rumors of his being a
homosexual ... By
1890, he had completed one of his most successful operas, "The Queen of
Spades ...
www.webcom.com/shownet/kirov/tchaikov.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages
The Body: Articles from the Encyclopedia of AIDS
... protected sexual practices for both homosexual ... among an audience of
predominantly
classical ... singer for the rock band Queen ... awakened concern among rock
musicians ...
www.thebody.com/encyclo/artists.html - 22k - Cached - Similar pages
Classical Music: The Ultimate Gothic Experience? by Ian for www. ...
... He was a homosexual in19th century Russia ... like a lot of people along
Queen ... Aesthetically,
the classical period (and later) lent ... The musicians were right in the ...
www.toronto-goth.com/culture/ writing/classicalmusic.shtml - 30k - Cached -
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<< Queen . . .The Village People. . .Elton John... >>
If your boys are homosexuals, you will know who to blame.
Yourself. For not limiting what they listened to.
And with the exception of the disco New Yorkers, the list above is PROOF that
English boys are POOFS. (Oh wait... your list also had lots of heterosexual
Englishmen...) AND classically trained musicians can become homosexuals, and
so perhaps piano lessons are a danger to morality.
Well the point is no matter HOW many straight, hard-working,
non-drug-referencing musicians your children hear, those violent few will
ruin their lives. Like that Paul McCartney and his "Maxwell's Silver
Hammer." And John Lennon's "Why Don't We Do it in the Road." That's
DISGUSTING. When Americans everywhere are doing it in the road, it will be
because their parents didn't have the gumption to Just Say No to English
perverts and their pornographic lyrics.
I went to Google.com and entered
queen musicians classical homosexual
hoping for a good quote on Freddie Mercury, but his band wasn't the main
topic until the TWELFTH ENTRY (of 681 on "queen musicians classical
homosexual").
Anyway, first the quote on Freddy Mercury, and then the first few entries for
anyone else really concerned about the shameful connections among studying
music classically, being gay, and, in many cases, being English.
------
Why Did Freddie Grow A Moustache?
To annoy Americans, for whom even the smallest, most insignificant gestures
can have dire significance. Many of them were horrified that it could mean he
was gay, even though the men in his family had been sporting the furry
caterpillar for generations. Perhaps it was in homage to the gay community,
in a similar way that many Americans sport tens of kilos of surplus fat in
homage to fast food.
--------------------
Classical Anglican Net News Archive -- February 2002
... Classical Anglican Net News Archive February ... A STRANGE and
controversial painting
of Queen ... Bishop over views on homosexual ... 10). CHRISTIAN MUSICIANS:
Rockers 'U2 ...
www.prayerbook.ca/cann/2002/2002_02.htm - 40k - Cached - Similar pages
THE SATANIC ROOTS OF ROCK
... a telegram from their manager, a homosexual ... signing up dozens of
starving German classical ... Musicians
who sought to preserve the ... of the British Empire by Queen ...
www.geocities.com/backmasking_2000/roots45.html - 53k - Cached - Similar pages
index
... in Hamburg, the Beatles' manager, a homosexual ... at EMI Martin was a
trained classical ... Musicians
who sought to preserve the ... Member of the British Empire by Queen ...
Description: Claims that the Beatles "polluted the Earth". Analyzes lyrics
and their history.
Category: Arts > Music > Anti-Music > Beatles
www.geocities.com/mmiddleton87/ - 21k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.geocities.com ]
Tchaikovsky Biography
... married a 28-year-old ex-student to quiet the rumors of his being a
homosexual ... By
1890, he had completed one of his most successful operas, "The Queen of
Spades ...
www.webcom.com/shownet/kirov/tchaikov.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages
The Body: Articles from the Encyclopedia of AIDS
... protected sexual practices for both homosexual ... among an audience of
predominantly
classical ... singer for the rock band Queen ... awakened concern among rock
musicians ...
www.thebody.com/encyclo/artists.html - 22k - Cached - Similar pages
Classical Music: The Ultimate Gothic Experience? by Ian for www. ...
... He was a homosexual in19th century Russia ... like a lot of people along
Queen ... Aesthetically,
the classical period (and later) lent ... The musicians were right in the ...
www.toronto-goth.com/culture/ writing/classicalmusic.shtml - 30k - Cached -
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----- Original Message -----
From: <SandraDodd@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:31 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: I'm offended (was Re: Eminem-long)
In a message dated 8/25/02 9:56:45 PM, Dnowens@... writes:
<< Queen . . .The Village People. . .Elton John... >>
If your boys are homosexuals, you will know who to blame.
Yourself. For not limiting what they listened to.
And with the exception of the disco New Yorkers, the list above is PROOF
that
English boys are POOFS. (Oh wait... your list also had lots of heterosexual
Englishmen...) AND classically trained musicians can become homosexuals,
and
so perhaps piano lessons are a danger to morality.
Well the point is no matter HOW many straight, hard-working,
non-drug-referencing musicians your children hear, those violent few will
ruin their lives. Like that Paul McCartney and his "Maxwell's Silver
Hammer." And John Lennon's "Why Don't We Do it in the Road." That's
DISGUSTING. When Americans everywhere are doing it in the road, it will be
because their parents didn't have the gumption to Just Say No to English
perverts and their pornographic lyrics.
I went to Google.com and entered
queen musicians classical homosexual
hoping for a good quote on Freddie Mercury, but his band wasn't the main
topic until the TWELFTH ENTRY (of 681 on "queen musicians classical
homosexual").
Anyway, first the quote on Freddy Mercury, and then the first few entries
for
anyone else really concerned about the shameful connections among studying
music classically, being gay, and, in many cases, being English.
------
Why Did Freddie Grow A Moustache?
To annoy Americans, for whom even the smallest, most insignificant gestures
can have dire significance. Many of them were horrified that it could mean
he
was gay, even though the men in his family had been sporting the furry
caterpillar for generations. Perhaps it was in homage to the gay community,
in a similar way that many Americans sport tens of kilos of surplus fat in
homage to fast food.
--------------------
Classical Anglican Net News Archive -- February 2002
... Classical Anglican Net News Archive February ... A STRANGE and
controversial painting
of Queen ... Bishop over views on homosexual ... 10). CHRISTIAN MUSICIANS:
Rockers 'U2 ...
www.prayerbook.ca/cann/2002/2002_02.htm - 40k - Cached - Similar pages
THE SATANIC ROOTS OF ROCK
... a telegram from their manager, a homosexual ... signing up dozens of
starving German classical ... Musicians
who sought to preserve the ... of the British Empire by Queen ...
www.geocities.com/backmasking_2000/roots45.html - 53k - Cached - Similar
pages
index
... in Hamburg, the Beatles' manager, a homosexual ... at EMI Martin was a
trained classical ... Musicians
who sought to preserve the ... Member of the British Empire by Queen ...
Description: Claims that the Beatles "polluted the Earth". Analyzes lyrics
and their history.
Category: Arts > Music > Anti-Music > Beatles
www.geocities.com/mmiddleton87/ - 21k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.geocities.com ]
Tchaikovsky Biography
... married a 28-year-old ex-student to quiet the rumors of his being a
homosexual ... By
1890, he had completed one of his most successful operas, "The Queen of
Spades ...
www.webcom.com/shownet/kirov/tchaikov.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages
The Body: Articles from the Encyclopedia of AIDS
... protected sexual practices for both homosexual ... among an audience of
predominantly
classical ... singer for the rock band Queen ... awakened concern among rock
musicians ...
www.thebody.com/encyclo/artists.html - 22k - Cached - Similar pages
Classical Music: The Ultimate Gothic Experience? by Ian for www. ...
... He was a homosexual in19th century Russia ... like a lot of people along
Queen ... Aesthetically,
the classical period (and later) lent ... The musicians were right in the
...
www.toronto-goth.com/culture/ writing/classicalmusic.shtml - 30k - Cached -
Similar pages
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In a message dated 8/26/02 5:30:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
wanna be and me the proud PFLAG Mom passing out pamphlets and condoms.
Telling everyone I didn't blame myself, even though I allowed Jack to listen
to Queen, Tchaikovsky AND Emenim! And since you brought it up, I think it
would be a very good idea if I kept Jack away from all pianos in the future!
Do you think we should stay away from Alexandria's ballet recitals too?
~Nancy
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> << Queen . . .The Village People. . .Elton John... >>I had a funny vision of Jack in 15-20 years as a gay, gangbanger, *homie*
>
> If your boys are homosexuals, you will know who to blame.
> Yourself. For not limiting what they listened to.
>
> And with the exception of the disco New Yorkers, the list above is PROOF
> that
> English boys are POOFS. (Oh wait... your list also had lots of
> heterosexual
> Englishmen...) AND classically trained musicians can become homosexuals,
> and
> so perhaps piano lessons are a danger to morality.
wanna be and me the proud PFLAG Mom passing out pamphlets and condoms.
Telling everyone I didn't blame myself, even though I allowed Jack to listen
to Queen, Tchaikovsky AND Emenim! And since you brought it up, I think it
would be a very good idea if I kept Jack away from all pianos in the future!
Do you think we should stay away from Alexandria's ballet recitals too?
~Nancy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/26/02 11:55:54 AM, Dnowens@... writes:
<< Do you think we should stay away from Alexandria's ballet recitals too? >>
Do you Even have to ASK!?
(but if you want a combo ballet and hip-hop, there's the teen fantasy movie
about dancing, which is called.... something about dancing. I forget. I saw
it. It was a fun teen fantasy. Obviously I passively stared at the wall,
since I can't remember the name of it, the names of the actors, I don't want
to study ballet, go to high school or listen to hip-hop.)
Sandra
<< Do you think we should stay away from Alexandria's ballet recitals too? >>
Do you Even have to ASK!?
(but if you want a combo ballet and hip-hop, there's the teen fantasy movie
about dancing, which is called.... something about dancing. I forget. I saw
it. It was a fun teen fantasy. Obviously I passively stared at the wall,
since I can't remember the name of it, the names of the actors, I don't want
to study ballet, go to high school or listen to hip-hop.)
Sandra
Tina Tarbutton
:
: (but if you want a combo ballet and hip-hop, there's the teen fantasy
movie
: about dancing, which is called.... something about dancing.
Save the Last Dance....very very good movie.
Tina
: (but if you want a combo ballet and hip-hop, there's the teen fantasy
movie
: about dancing, which is called.... something about dancing.
Save the Last Dance....very very good movie.
Tina
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/26/02 1:24:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
one of the HBOCinemaxStarsShowtime.... pick one channels. She said she wasn't
going to make teen movies like that when she becomes an actress, she is going
to make *meaningful* movies! <g>
~Nancy
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> << Do you think we should stay away from Alexandria's ballet recitals too? >>Actually, Moly and I watched that (Save the Last Dance???) the other day on
>
> Do you Even have to ASK!?
>
> (but if you want a combo ballet and hip-hop, there's the teen fantasy movie
> about dancing, which is called.... something about dancing. I forget. I
> saw
> it. It was a fun teen fantasy. Obviously I passively stared at the wall,
> since I can't remember the name of it, the names of the actors, I don't
> want
> to study ballet, go to high school or listen to hip-hop.)
>
> Sandra
>
one of the HBOCinemaxStarsShowtime.... pick one channels. She said she wasn't
going to make teen movies like that when she becomes an actress, she is going
to make *meaningful* movies! <g>
~Nancy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
i'm with ya on this one cherry!
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kayb85
Gosh, I wouldn't want my kids listening to something about raping 12
year olds OR songs with the f word or music by madonna. And to add
to that, I don't want them listening to musicians who dress like
Brittney Spears. And I don't want them to listen to anything whose
artists don't promote good morals by lyrics or dress or behavior.
I don't care if it's rap or rock or classical, if it's not a good
moral song, why would we want to let our kids listen to it?
Sheila, whose children are owned by God and have been given to me for
a time to raise for Him.
Listen to Mos Def, Common, Lauryn Hill, the Roots, the
year olds OR songs with the f word or music by madonna. And to add
to that, I don't want them listening to musicians who dress like
Brittney Spears. And I don't want them to listen to anything whose
artists don't promote good morals by lyrics or dress or behavior.
I don't care if it's rap or rock or classical, if it's not a good
moral song, why would we want to let our kids listen to it?
Sheila, whose children are owned by God and have been given to me for
a time to raise for Him.
Listen to Mos Def, Common, Lauryn Hill, the Roots, the
> Nappy Roots and many others and I dare you to paint rap with thewho've
> broad brush of pornography. I cannot stand when white people
> only heard what the mainstream media dishes out stand on a soapboxwant
> and insult an entire art form with little knowledge. No one would
> think to call all rock music pornography based on stuff like "I
> to F--- you like an animal" by Nine Inch Nails or Erotica byMadonna
> (or countless others)
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 04:25:40 -0000 "kayb85" <sheran@...> writes:
Testament.
Rain's been listening to the Fantasticks, again, that 50 year old
musical. Right now I can hear "The cost depends on the quality of the
rape.", the beginning of "It Depends on What You Pay". There's a lot of
classic literature that doesn't really meet your qualifications - we were
listening to The Lady of the Tiger? on tape on our trip last week, truly
a wonderful story and one that's referenced frequently in conversation -
but it does star a semi-barbaric princess and her lover. And opera? And
Shakespeare?
But Monty Python is okay, "Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is good"
:-)
I'm in a really weird mood tonight. Anyone know where to find a Monty
Pythin wristwatch? It would truly be the ideal 17th birthday gift for a
friend of ours, but I've googled and ebayed with no luck.
Dar, Mama to "Please, God, don't make me normal" Rain
> Gosh, I wouldn't want my kids listening to something about raping 12I guess that lets out the bible as a read-aloud. At last the Old
> year olds <...>And I don't want them to listen to anything whose
> artists don't promote good morals by lyrics or dress or behavior.
Testament.
Rain's been listening to the Fantasticks, again, that 50 year old
musical. Right now I can hear "The cost depends on the quality of the
rape.", the beginning of "It Depends on What You Pay". There's a lot of
classic literature that doesn't really meet your qualifications - we were
listening to The Lady of the Tiger? on tape on our trip last week, truly
a wonderful story and one that's referenced frequently in conversation -
but it does star a semi-barbaric princess and her lover. And opera? And
Shakespeare?
But Monty Python is okay, "Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is good"
:-)
I'm in a really weird mood tonight. Anyone know where to find a Monty
Pythin wristwatch? It would truly be the ideal 17th birthday gift for a
friend of ours, but I've googled and ebayed with no luck.
Dar, Mama to "Please, God, don't make me normal" Rain
kayb85
The difference between the old testament and Madonna is that when you
read the old testament with your kids it's very obvious that the
negative actions are wrong, whereas when you listen to Madonna it
seems like the negative action is being celebrated.
And Shakespeare is too intense for young kids, or at least my young
kids. But when they're older, I would read Shakespeare with my kids.
Books and even some tv shows and movies are more comfortable for me
because I can sit and pause the reading or pause the movie and
discuss what is immoral with my kids. I can say this person is acting
wrong and these were the consequences of their behavior.
On the other hand, music that is going to be listened to over and
over and over again that makes it sound like violence or lusting
after someone is a good thing doesn't teach the difference between
right and wrong, it just celebrates the wrong.
Sheila
read the old testament with your kids it's very obvious that the
negative actions are wrong, whereas when you listen to Madonna it
seems like the negative action is being celebrated.
And Shakespeare is too intense for young kids, or at least my young
kids. But when they're older, I would read Shakespeare with my kids.
Books and even some tv shows and movies are more comfortable for me
because I can sit and pause the reading or pause the movie and
discuss what is immoral with my kids. I can say this person is acting
wrong and these were the consequences of their behavior.
On the other hand, music that is going to be listened to over and
over and over again that makes it sound like violence or lusting
after someone is a good thing doesn't teach the difference between
right and wrong, it just celebrates the wrong.
Sheila
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., freeform@j... wrote:
>
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 04:25:40 -0000 "kayb85" <sheran@p...> writes:
> > Gosh, I wouldn't want my kids listening to something about raping
12
> > year olds <...>And I don't want them to listen to anything whose
> > artists don't promote good morals by lyrics or dress or
behavior.
>
> I guess that lets out the bible as a read-aloud. At last the Old
> Testament.
>
> Rain's been listening to the Fantasticks, again, that 50 year old
> musical. Right now I can hear "The cost depends on the quality of
the
> rape.", the beginning of "It Depends on What You Pay". There's a
lot of
> classic literature that doesn't really meet your qualifications -
we were
> listening to The Lady of the Tiger? on tape on our trip last week,
truly
> a wonderful story and one that's referenced frequently in
conversation -
> but it does star a semi-barbaric princess and her lover. And opera?
And
> Shakespeare?
>
> But Monty Python is okay, "Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is
good"
> :-)
>
> I'm in a really weird mood tonight. Anyone know where to find a
Monty
> Pythin wristwatch? It would truly be the ideal 17th birthday gift
for a
> friend of ours, but I've googled and ebayed with no luck.
>
> Dar, Mama to "Please, God, don't make me normal" Rain
[email protected]
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:02:38 -0000 "kayb85" <sheran@...> writes:
outside wants Lot to send the guys out so they can have sex with them,
and Lot says no, you can't have these men, but I'll send out my two
virgin daughters and you can do whatever you want with them. Then I think
they don't want the daughters so he pushes out the concubine and they
rape and kill her. I remember that from my Catholic childhood, and
nowhere did I get the impression that Lot had done anything wrong. I
found it really scary, actually.
Dream and A Comedy of Errors is fun even for little ones, at least for
mine and many of her friends, and it does seem that whatever they're not
ready for goes over their heads. We haven't found a live Romeo and Juliet
yet but Rain saw the Hussey version on video a couple years ago, and
yesterday I found the soundtrack record for .50 (our record collection is
so cool, because everything is so cheap on vinyl) and told her, and she
was thrilled and immediately quoted a bit she remembered and wanted to
hear right away
kid would be really bugged if I kept stopping videos and books to discuss
morality, it sort of interferes with the flow of the story. Although I do
talk about stuff we see and read, but more in context, as she has
questions . I don't think life is really as easy as someone acts wrong
and then this bad thing happened...and I also feel that my moral values
may differ from my child's, which to me is part of unschooling.
smart enough to look critically at the things they see and hear.
Dar
> The difference between the old testament and Madonna is that when youHow about the part where Lot has two male guests and the angry mob
> read the old testament with your kids it's very obvious that the
> negative actions are wrong, whereas when you listen to Madonna it
> seems like the negative action is being celebrated.
outside wants Lot to send the guys out so they can have sex with them,
and Lot says no, you can't have these men, but I'll send out my two
virgin daughters and you can do whatever you want with them. Then I think
they don't want the daughters so he pushes out the concubine and they
rape and kill her. I remember that from my Catholic childhood, and
nowhere did I get the impression that Lot had done anything wrong. I
found it really scary, actually.
>You think? Not all Shakespeare, anyway. Stuff like A Midsummer Night's
> And Shakespeare is too intense for young kids, or at least my young
> kids.
Dream and A Comedy of Errors is fun even for little ones, at least for
mine and many of her friends, and it does seem that whatever they're not
ready for goes over their heads. We haven't found a live Romeo and Juliet
yet but Rain saw the Hussey version on video a couple years ago, and
yesterday I found the soundtrack record for .50 (our record collection is
so cool, because everything is so cheap on vinyl) and told her, and she
was thrilled and immediately quoted a bit she remembered and wanted to
hear right away
> Books and even some tv shows and movies are more comfortable for meThat just sounds so... I don't know, simplistic? moralistic? I think my
> because I can sit and pause the reading or pause the movie and
> discuss what is immoral with my kids. I can say this person is
> acting wrong and these were the consequences of their behavior.
kid would be really bugged if I kept stopping videos and books to discuss
morality, it sort of interferes with the flow of the story. Although I do
talk about stuff we see and read, but more in context, as she has
questions . I don't think life is really as easy as someone acts wrong
and then this bad thing happened...and I also feel that my moral values
may differ from my child's, which to me is part of unschooling.
>I don't think music teaches at all. I think children learn, and they're
> On the other hand, music that is going to be listened to over and
> over and over again that makes it sound like violence or lusting
> after someone is a good thing doesn't teach the difference between
> right and wrong, it just celebrates the wrong.
smart enough to look critically at the things they see and hear.
Dar
[email protected]
> The difference between the old testament and Madonna is that when youMost churches which encourages their members to read the whole Bible are FULL
> read the old testament with your kids it's very obvious that the
> negative actions are wrong, >>
of people who never have read the whole Bible.
The Old Testament abounds with tales of lying and sneaking and trickery, not
by the bad guys (who are rarely even mentioned) but by the GOOD guys!
Joseph tricked and lied to his brothers, framed one for theft, and when they
did move to Egypt, he advised them that if the Egyptians asked them what they
used to do back home to say they had been cattlemen because Egyptians hate
sheepherders. And so the Egyptians ask, and they say "we used to herd
sheep." What lesson do we learn from THAT!? That lying is routine and non
punishable??
Oh well...
Anyone who says the Bible doesn't have horrible stories of violence and
sexual abuse just hasn't read it.
Sandra
Karin
freeform@... wrote:
show and even some 6-7 year olds from our homeschool group saw it and liked
it - though it was quite a long performance.
Karin
> >And don't forget Cyrano de Bergerac! I thought it was a pretty good live
> > And Shakespeare is too intense for young kids, or at least my young
> > kids.
>
> You think? Not all Shakespeare, anyway. Stuff like A Midsummer Night's
> Dream and A Comedy of Errors is fun even for little ones, at least for
> mine and many of her friends, and it does seem that whatever they're not
> ready for goes over their heads. We haven't found a live Romeo and Juliet
> yet but Rain saw the Hussey version on video a couple years ago, and
> yesterday I found the soundtrack record for .50 (our record collection is
> so cool, because everything is so cheap on vinyl) and told her, and she
> was thrilled and immediately quoted a bit she remembered and wanted to
> hear right away
>
show and even some 6-7 year olds from our homeschool group saw it and liked
it - though it was quite a long performance.
Karin
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/27/02 9:04:50 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
sheran@... writes:
I read them whatever I'm reading...my oldest loves to be read to.
However, if you make a point to know what your children are reading, or
watching or listening to in music can't you discuss the consequences. Here
is much milder version than raping a 12 yr old or other things discussed.
My son Andrew adores Thomas the Tank Engine. He reads the books (even on his
own he'll look at the pictures for hours), collects the trains, watches the
videos, wears the clothes ect (I think you get the idea.) One day I was
watching the video with him and heard the following "Thomas and Henry felt
sorry for James but they teased him anyway." Well, I don't want my son to
learn that it is ok to tease people no matter what the circumstances. For a
while, I took the videos away. However, that didn't seem entirely fair. He
derived so much pleasure and learned so much from the Thomas stuff I gave
them back. I watched this particular one with him several times and pointed
out that wasn't very nice.
My point is: it doesn't matter if it is books or videos or music they will be
exposed to things that go against any family's personal values. Just the
same way as we point out wrong in a book or video can't we do the same with
music (if we know what they are listening to?)
I was a child that the more something was forbidden the more I wanted
it...leading to dabblings in over drinking and other unsavory things...I hope
that I learned enough from that to give my children reasonable freedom. How
much that is depends a lot on how the world is 10 yrs from now!
Tanya
mom to Andrew Jordan 4/1/00 and Eli Hunter 10/29/01
You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him to find it within
himself
--Galileo
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sheran@... writes:
> And Shakespeare is too intense for young kids, or at least my youngHmmm....I read Shakespeare to my young ones (mostly sonnets though.) Really,
> kids. But when they're older, I would read Shakespeare with my kids.
> Books and even some tv shows and movies are more comfortable for me
> because I can sit and pause the reading or pause the movie and
> discuss what is immoral with my kids. I can say this person is acting
> wrong and these were the consequences of their behavior.
I read them whatever I'm reading...my oldest loves to be read to.
However, if you make a point to know what your children are reading, or
watching or listening to in music can't you discuss the consequences. Here
is much milder version than raping a 12 yr old or other things discussed.
My son Andrew adores Thomas the Tank Engine. He reads the books (even on his
own he'll look at the pictures for hours), collects the trains, watches the
videos, wears the clothes ect (I think you get the idea.) One day I was
watching the video with him and heard the following "Thomas and Henry felt
sorry for James but they teased him anyway." Well, I don't want my son to
learn that it is ok to tease people no matter what the circumstances. For a
while, I took the videos away. However, that didn't seem entirely fair. He
derived so much pleasure and learned so much from the Thomas stuff I gave
them back. I watched this particular one with him several times and pointed
out that wasn't very nice.
My point is: it doesn't matter if it is books or videos or music they will be
exposed to things that go against any family's personal values. Just the
same way as we point out wrong in a book or video can't we do the same with
music (if we know what they are listening to?)
I was a child that the more something was forbidden the more I wanted
it...leading to dabblings in over drinking and other unsavory things...I hope
that I learned enough from that to give my children reasonable freedom. How
much that is depends a lot on how the world is 10 yrs from now!
Tanya
mom to Andrew Jordan 4/1/00 and Eli Hunter 10/29/01
You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him to find it within
himself
--Galileo
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[email protected]
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:20:50 -0700 "Karin" <curtkar@...> writes:
did this a few weeks ago but we couldn't make it because Rain was doing
Annie the first weekend and we were in Tucson the second... but we wanted
to see it again. One cool thing that they did was that all of the actors
were on stage as you walked into the theater, talking and interacting as
whoever their character was. That sounded cool to me.
We say Bye Bye Birdie last weekend, which is also a great, fun play. "Oh
we love Conrad, oh yes we do...".
dar
> And don't forget Cyrano de Bergerac! I thought it was a pretty goodOh, yes, we loved that! The Acme theater group here, which is all teens,
> live
> show and even some 6-7 year olds from our homeschool group saw it
> and liked
> it - though it was quite a long performance.
>
did this a few weeks ago but we couldn't make it because Rain was doing
Annie the first weekend and we were in Tucson the second... but we wanted
to see it again. One cool thing that they did was that all of the actors
were on stage as you walked into the theater, talking and interacting as
whoever their character was. That sounded cool to me.
We say Bye Bye Birdie last weekend, which is also a great, fun play. "Oh
we love Conrad, oh yes we do...".
dar