Testing in Arkansas
meirons
I have a fifth grader this year that will be tested. I am one that
if the law say do it, I will. I have had my 2 older children take
these tests and just as another person said the test do not i.d.
anyone. Infact I kind on enjoy the testing days because my children
have out done the state of Arkasas for years.
I would never put my child into such a pitiful school system. For
the people that do not know, Arkansas publishes how well the public
schools do on these tests each year and each year they average a "D"
across the board. If the state can get by with making these grades I
guess they don't think that they can pick on us that educated our
children at home.
Infact they toot their horn saying that they push mathmatics and
science in this state which is true to a degree but most of the p.s.
kids never learn to read until they are in 3-4 grades in Arkansas. I
used to be the director of a children's church in NW Arkansas and
saw and heard these kids weekly trying to read without and reading
skills ever being taught to them. I would tell them a phonics rule
of two and the kids would go crazy saying why doesn't my teacher
tell me these rules and why do your kids read so much better than I
can. These kids were all p.s. children from 3-6 th grades and my 1st
and 2nd grader put them to shame.
So from one home educator to all you others I say bring on the tests
any day.
Just a note...
I taught all 4 of my children to read by the time they started
kindergarten.
if the law say do it, I will. I have had my 2 older children take
these tests and just as another person said the test do not i.d.
anyone. Infact I kind on enjoy the testing days because my children
have out done the state of Arkasas for years.
I would never put my child into such a pitiful school system. For
the people that do not know, Arkansas publishes how well the public
schools do on these tests each year and each year they average a "D"
across the board. If the state can get by with making these grades I
guess they don't think that they can pick on us that educated our
children at home.
Infact they toot their horn saying that they push mathmatics and
science in this state which is true to a degree but most of the p.s.
kids never learn to read until they are in 3-4 grades in Arkansas. I
used to be the director of a children's church in NW Arkansas and
saw and heard these kids weekly trying to read without and reading
skills ever being taught to them. I would tell them a phonics rule
of two and the kids would go crazy saying why doesn't my teacher
tell me these rules and why do your kids read so much better than I
can. These kids were all p.s. children from 3-6 th grades and my 1st
and 2nd grader put them to shame.
So from one home educator to all you others I say bring on the tests
any day.
Just a note...
I taught all 4 of my children to read by the time they started
kindergarten.
Jane
<Just a note...
<I taught all 4 of my children to read by the time they started
<kindergarten.
How did you do that? I'm assuming they all wanted to read at an early
age. I'm new to this list but have been unschooling for many years. Our
oldest read on his own before he was 4. We didn't teach him. Our
youngest still is not really reading and is 10. Just curious what worked
for you, Jane :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: meirons [mailto:meirons@...]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 5:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Testing in Arkansas
I have a fifth grader this year that will be tested. I am one that
if the law say do it, I will. I have had my 2 older children take
these tests and just as another person said the test do not i.d.
anyone. Infact I kind on enjoy the testing days because my children
have out done the state of Arkasas for years.
I would never put my child into such a pitiful school system. For
the people that do not know, Arkansas publishes how well the public
schools do on these tests each year and each year they average a "D"
across the board. If the state can get by with making these grades I
guess they don't think that they can pick on us that educated our
children at home.
Infact they toot their horn saying that they push mathmatics and
science in this state which is true to a degree but most of the p.s.
kids never learn to read until they are in 3-4 grades in Arkansas. I
used to be the director of a children's church in NW Arkansas and
saw and heard these kids weekly trying to read without and reading
skills ever being taught to them. I would tell them a phonics rule
of two and the kids would go crazy saying why doesn't my teacher
tell me these rules and why do your kids read so much better than I
can. These kids were all p.s. children from 3-6 th grades and my 1st
and 2nd grader put them to shame.
So from one home educator to all you others I say bring on the tests
any day.
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<I taught all 4 of my children to read by the time they started
<kindergarten.
How did you do that? I'm assuming they all wanted to read at an early
age. I'm new to this list but have been unschooling for many years. Our
oldest read on his own before he was 4. We didn't teach him. Our
youngest still is not really reading and is 10. Just curious what worked
for you, Jane :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: meirons [mailto:meirons@...]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 5:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Testing in Arkansas
I have a fifth grader this year that will be tested. I am one that
if the law say do it, I will. I have had my 2 older children take
these tests and just as another person said the test do not i.d.
anyone. Infact I kind on enjoy the testing days because my children
have out done the state of Arkasas for years.
I would never put my child into such a pitiful school system. For
the people that do not know, Arkansas publishes how well the public
schools do on these tests each year and each year they average a "D"
across the board. If the state can get by with making these grades I
guess they don't think that they can pick on us that educated our
children at home.
Infact they toot their horn saying that they push mathmatics and
science in this state which is true to a degree but most of the p.s.
kids never learn to read until they are in 3-4 grades in Arkansas. I
used to be the director of a children's church in NW Arkansas and
saw and heard these kids weekly trying to read without and reading
skills ever being taught to them. I would tell them a phonics rule
of two and the kids would go crazy saying why doesn't my teacher
tell me these rules and why do your kids read so much better than I
can. These kids were all p.s. children from 3-6 th grades and my 1st
and 2nd grader put them to shame.
So from one home educator to all you others I say bring on the tests
any day.
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KT
>Some of you will get this:
>
>I taught all 4 of my children to read by the time they started
>kindergarten.
>
I rest my case.
Tuck
Gerard Westenberg
<So from one home educator to all you others I say bring on the tests
any day. >
Why? :-) Tests don't prove anything - except maybe test taking ability on that particular day..even than I am not sure...While we are new to "full unschooling" ( funny term, I know), since January this year, we are not new to relaxed homeschooling and we have never had our kids tesetd - I say try to avoid the tests as much as possible! lol!..Leonie
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any day. >
Why? :-) Tests don't prove anything - except maybe test taking ability on that particular day..even than I am not sure...While we are new to "full unschooling" ( funny term, I know), since January this year, we are not new to relaxed homeschooling and we have never had our kids tesetd - I say try to avoid the tests as much as possible! lol!..Leonie
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Tia Leschke
>And I say you are hurting other unschoolers with that attitude.
>So from one home educator to all you others I say bring on the tests
>any day.
Unschooling is about letting kids be in charge of their own
education. Some kids are not going to be interested in academics
until much older than they would have been forced to learn it in
schools. Those kids are not going to do well on tests, at least until they
*have* gotten interested in academics.
Those who support testing homeschoolers are mostly "school at home" people,
who want to "prove" that homeschooling is better. They would like it if
all our "non-academic" kids were forced into school. Never mind that it
would be the worst thing that could happen to our kids. It would make
their kids (and them) look better.
>Just a note...I take it that this was before you started unschooling?
>I taught all 4 of my children to read by the time they started
>kindergarten.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
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<<Just a note... I taught all 4 of my children to read by the time they
started
kindergarten. >>
Just a note: Your children learned to read.
Your "teaching" them only worked because they were ready.
If you doubt this, try getting back to us after you've taught a pig to sing.
<< I have a fifth grader this year that will be tested. I am one that
if the law say do it, I will. >>
I hope you don't always define or think of your children as "fifth graders"
or in other school-bound terms. Perhaps you're new to unschooling, or just
dropping by to check it out a bit, but neither teaching before kindergarten
nor being a fifth grader are unschooling related concepts.
There are sound arguments against testing, even for those who finish a test
with 99th percentiles in every area. It helps no one; it harms individuals
and relationships.
http://sandradodd.com/tests
Sandra
started
kindergarten. >>
Just a note: Your children learned to read.
Your "teaching" them only worked because they were ready.
If you doubt this, try getting back to us after you've taught a pig to sing.
<< I have a fifth grader this year that will be tested. I am one that
if the law say do it, I will. >>
I hope you don't always define or think of your children as "fifth graders"
or in other school-bound terms. Perhaps you're new to unschooling, or just
dropping by to check it out a bit, but neither teaching before kindergarten
nor being a fifth grader are unschooling related concepts.
There are sound arguments against testing, even for those who finish a test
with 99th percentiles in every area. It helps no one; it harms individuals
and relationships.
http://sandradodd.com/tests
Sandra
Jane
Sandra, I just subscribed to this list and that was the first post I
read. I thought I was on the wrong list. LOL Thanks for you reply to
that post. :-) Jane
-----Original Message-----
From: SandraDodd@... [mailto:SandraDodd@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 2:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Testing in Arkansas
<<Just a note... I taught all 4 of my children to read by the time they
started
kindergarten. >>
Just a note: Your children learned to read.
Your "teaching" them only worked because they were ready.
If you doubt this, try getting back to us after you've taught a pig to
sing.
<< I have a fifth grader this year that will be tested. I am one that
if the law say do it, I will. >>
I hope you don't always define or think of your children as "fifth
graders"
or in other school-bound terms. Perhaps you're new to unschooling, or
just
dropping by to check it out a bit, but neither teaching before
kindergarten
nor being a fifth grader are unschooling related concepts.
There are sound arguments against testing, even for those who finish a
test
with 99th percentiles in every area. It helps no one; it harms
individuals
and relationships.
http://sandradodd.com/tests
Sandra
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read. I thought I was on the wrong list. LOL Thanks for you reply to
that post. :-) Jane
-----Original Message-----
From: SandraDodd@... [mailto:SandraDodd@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 2:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Testing in Arkansas
<<Just a note... I taught all 4 of my children to read by the time they
started
kindergarten. >>
Just a note: Your children learned to read.
Your "teaching" them only worked because they were ready.
If you doubt this, try getting back to us after you've taught a pig to
sing.
<< I have a fifth grader this year that will be tested. I am one that
if the law say do it, I will. >>
I hope you don't always define or think of your children as "fifth
graders"
or in other school-bound terms. Perhaps you're new to unschooling, or
just
dropping by to check it out a bit, but neither teaching before
kindergarten
nor being a fifth grader are unschooling related concepts.
There are sound arguments against testing, even for those who finish a
test
with 99th percentiles in every area. It helps no one; it harms
individuals
and relationships.
http://sandradodd.com/tests
Sandra
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In a message dated 8/20/02 3:04:16 PM, jane@... writes:
<< Sandra, I just subscribed to this list and that was the first post I
read. I thought I was on the wrong list. LOL Thanks for you reply to
that post. :-) Jane >>
Welcome to the list!!
Sorry for your initial "intro"!
Sandra
<< Sandra, I just subscribed to this list and that was the first post I
read. I thought I was on the wrong list. LOL Thanks for you reply to
that post. :-) Jane >>
Welcome to the list!!
Sorry for your initial "intro"!
Sandra
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In a message dated 8/19/02 7:48:57 PM, westen@... writes:
<< Why? :-) Tests don't prove anything - except maybe test taking ability on
that particular day..even than I am not sure...>>
I second that Leonie!! ( in case you didnt read my post, last year in PS I
boycotted state testing)
<< Why? :-) Tests don't prove anything - except maybe test taking ability on
that particular day..even than I am not sure...>>
I second that Leonie!! ( in case you didnt read my post, last year in PS I
boycotted state testing)