Re:2258 avoiding testing
Luz Shosie and Ned Vare
Someone asked:
First, you will not be "breaking the rules" -- ask to see the rules, and you
will probably know that. Make them put everything in writing; rules, laws,
everything. If they don't, you're not obligated, and if you're not obligated
by law, don't do it. I believe that it's our duty to refuse and reject bad
rules and bad laws.
If anyone is watching, they will be suspicious if you hold a kid back one
year and then skip a grade the next, but SO WHAT... it is your right to do
so and it is not their right to doubt your methods or motives.
It is, in fact, a game of control -- they want to control everybody. Ask
about what happens to parents who refuse to have their kid take the
test...exactly. Ask what happens to kids who do extremely poorly on it --
say, on purpose...
There are NO advantages to homeschoolers from taking these tests. All the
advantages (so called) are for the schools.
ALL INFORMATION THE GOVERNMENT GATHERS ABOUT
HOMESCHOOLERS WILL BE USED AGAINST HOMESCHOOLING.
You need information from the schools:
Ask, What is their purpose for the testing? What is their expectation for
children who take it? Do all the children in the school system take them?
Who scores the tests? How long do they take to return the test and the
results to you? (they probably don't) Do they return the test to you with
the correct answers marked and any mistakes noted? (most likely not) If
not, then what good is it to you as your child's teacher, and what good was
the test to the child if s/he never finds out the right answers and which
questions were missed? (none, it wasted time and worry for nothing)
If the testing benefits only the school, and they can't give you a benefit
for your child, then it has no value and should not be used.
The state does not demand that its students "pass" any tests, therefore it
has no business even asking your child to take a test (let alone pass it),
especially since he is not on the same learning track.
May you, please, see the scores that are achieved by all students? Why not?
- If not, how will you know where your child fits in the matrix of all
children? What score is considered passing? What are the consequences of
not getting a passing score if the kid is IN school? What are the
consequences for those who homeschool? (exactly, please)
Who will see the scores? How will they be used? Will the school let you (the
parent) administer the test, and keep the score only for your own
information? Why not? Whose business is it, and why? What will they do with
it, and why? What other information is on the test, such as parents' names,
family income, residence, occupation, own guns? What religion/ What race?
Are there psychological profiling questions on the test? (yes) What are
those used for?
The tests are to rate the schools, not the children. The scores (generated
by machines or a distant marking service of suspicious integrity) are used
to tell the state dept. of ed. which schools are performing better/worse
than others in order to justify giving them all more of our tax money. Yeah,
they get it for doing poorly (they "need" more money; and they get it for
going "well" because they "deserve" more money. Either way, they get more
money....such a deal.....crime pays !
The tests are used to create the illusion that the public schools are
educating children, when they are not. The schools' single purpose is to
control people and money. Testing of this sort is a scam that's run by
testing services hand in hand with those who make a living "doing school" to
people -- teachers, administrators and their unions.
Most of the answers that you will get to the above questions are sure to be
untrue, and reveal that the system is fraudulent in every detail.
Ned Vare
>>Ned comments:
>> Could you actually skip 3 grades and not have anyone from the state knocking
>> on your door asking why you have never tested your child?? I am not very
>> good at intentionally 'breaking the rules' so I guess this is why I would be
>> hesitant to do it.
>>
First, you will not be "breaking the rules" -- ask to see the rules, and you
will probably know that. Make them put everything in writing; rules, laws,
everything. If they don't, you're not obligated, and if you're not obligated
by law, don't do it. I believe that it's our duty to refuse and reject bad
rules and bad laws.
If anyone is watching, they will be suspicious if you hold a kid back one
year and then skip a grade the next, but SO WHAT... it is your right to do
so and it is not their right to doubt your methods or motives.
It is, in fact, a game of control -- they want to control everybody. Ask
about what happens to parents who refuse to have their kid take the
test...exactly. Ask what happens to kids who do extremely poorly on it --
say, on purpose...
There are NO advantages to homeschoolers from taking these tests. All the
advantages (so called) are for the schools.
ALL INFORMATION THE GOVERNMENT GATHERS ABOUT
HOMESCHOOLERS WILL BE USED AGAINST HOMESCHOOLING.
You need information from the schools:
Ask, What is their purpose for the testing? What is their expectation for
children who take it? Do all the children in the school system take them?
Who scores the tests? How long do they take to return the test and the
results to you? (they probably don't) Do they return the test to you with
the correct answers marked and any mistakes noted? (most likely not) If
not, then what good is it to you as your child's teacher, and what good was
the test to the child if s/he never finds out the right answers and which
questions were missed? (none, it wasted time and worry for nothing)
If the testing benefits only the school, and they can't give you a benefit
for your child, then it has no value and should not be used.
The state does not demand that its students "pass" any tests, therefore it
has no business even asking your child to take a test (let alone pass it),
especially since he is not on the same learning track.
May you, please, see the scores that are achieved by all students? Why not?
- If not, how will you know where your child fits in the matrix of all
children? What score is considered passing? What are the consequences of
not getting a passing score if the kid is IN school? What are the
consequences for those who homeschool? (exactly, please)
Who will see the scores? How will they be used? Will the school let you (the
parent) administer the test, and keep the score only for your own
information? Why not? Whose business is it, and why? What will they do with
it, and why? What other information is on the test, such as parents' names,
family income, residence, occupation, own guns? What religion/ What race?
Are there psychological profiling questions on the test? (yes) What are
those used for?
The tests are to rate the schools, not the children. The scores (generated
by machines or a distant marking service of suspicious integrity) are used
to tell the state dept. of ed. which schools are performing better/worse
than others in order to justify giving them all more of our tax money. Yeah,
they get it for doing poorly (they "need" more money; and they get it for
going "well" because they "deserve" more money. Either way, they get more
money....such a deal.....crime pays !
The tests are used to create the illusion that the public schools are
educating children, when they are not. The schools' single purpose is to
control people and money. Testing of this sort is a scam that's run by
testing services hand in hand with those who make a living "doing school" to
people -- teachers, administrators and their unions.
Most of the answers that you will get to the above questions are sure to be
untrue, and reveal that the system is fraudulent in every detail.
Ned Vare
KT
>I agree.
>
>It is, in fact, a game of control -- they want to control everybody.
>
>AskIf we're still talking about Arkansas, I know lots of people who simply
>about what happens to parents who refuse to have their kid take the
>test...exactly.
>
don't show up for the tests. However, I know people who were fully
expecting and willing to go for the testing, but were never notified by
the school district and therefore did not test. Nothing has happened to
them, but it has been an issue raised by some superintendents in the past.
>Ask what happens to kids who do extremely poorly on it --In Arkansas, there is no consequence. But the school-at-homers would be
>say, on purpose...
>
really ticked off at ya if you did this. lol. Gotta "do well to protect
those freedoms!"
>In Arkansas, the results are sent to the state without identifiying
>
>There are NO advantages to homeschoolers from taking these tests. All the
>advantages (so called) are for the schools.
>
information. So they keep a singular, isolated block of information,
which is not even representative of all homeschooled 5th graders (see
above), and use it in determining freedoms for all homeschoolers.
Thanks to the school-at-homers, homeschoolers who consent to testing
consistently out score the public school kids across the state. As long
as there is HSLDA putting the fear in them, the unschoolers in Arkansas
can rest easy while the school-at-homers do all the work. ;) Not that
I wasn't at the capital every day for weeks a few years ago lobbying for
the removal of the "return to school" consequence of low test scores.
(I had the time, because I didn't do school-at-home. <wink>)
Tuck
kayb85
I have also heard of kids who were philisophically opposed to
testing, so when their parents dropped them off at the test site,
they feeled in their names and personal info and then left the test
blank.
Sheila
testing, so when their parents dropped them off at the test site,
they feeled in their names and personal info and then left the test
blank.
Sheila
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., KT <Tuck@m...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >It is, in fact, a game of control -- they want to control
everybody.
> >
> I agree.
>
> >Ask
> >about what happens to parents who refuse to have their kid take the
> >test...exactly.
> >
> If we're still talking about Arkansas, I know lots of people who
simply
> don't show up for the tests. However, I know people who were fully
> expecting and willing to go for the testing, but were never
notified by
> the school district and therefore did not test. Nothing has
happened to
> them, but it has been an issue raised by some superintendents in
the past.
>
> >Ask what happens to kids who do extremely poorly on it --
> >say, on purpose...
> >
> In Arkansas, there is no consequence. But the school-at-homers
would be
> really ticked off at ya if you did this. lol. Gotta "do well to
protect
> those freedoms!"
>
> >
> >
> >There are NO advantages to homeschoolers from taking these tests.
All the
> >advantages (so called) are for the schools.
> >
> In Arkansas, the results are sent to the state without identifiying
> information. So they keep a singular, isolated block of
information,
> which is not even representative of all homeschooled 5th graders
(see
> above), and use it in determining freedoms for all homeschoolers.
>
> Thanks to the school-at-homers, homeschoolers who consent to
testing
> consistently out score the public school kids across the state. As
long
> as there is HSLDA putting the fear in them, the unschoolers in
Arkansas
> can rest easy while the school-at-homers do all the work. ;) Not
that
> I wasn't at the capital every day for weeks a few years ago
lobbying for
> the removal of the "return to school" consequence of low test
scores.
> (I had the time, because I didn't do school-at-home. <wink>)
>
> Tuck
KT
>That's one way of doing it. I've heard of it in public schools, for
>
>I have also heard of kids who were philisophically opposed to
>testing, so when their parents dropped them off at the test site,
>they feeled in their names and personal info and then left the test
>blank.
>
sure. Have you known of those people in Arkansas? I'd like to meet them.
Tuck
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In a message dated 8/19/02 2:02:12 PM, cen46624@... writes:
<< Another option I've heard of is to fill in a blank for each question,
just not in relation to the question--all "a"s or making pretty patterns
or designs on the answer sheet. You've complied, but with no stress and
no relevant feedback.
:-) Diane
more of a chance to get them right. ( stuped standerdized tests!)
<< Another option I've heard of is to fill in a blank for each question,
just not in relation to the question--all "a"s or making pretty patterns
or designs on the answer sheet. You've complied, but with no stress and
no relevant feedback.
:-) Diane
>>I've done that on tests, I also heard that If you always put "c" you have
more of a chance to get them right. ( stuped standerdized tests!)
Bill and Diane
Another option I've heard of is to fill in a blank for each question,
just not in relation to the question--all "a"s or making pretty patterns
or designs on the answer sheet. You've complied, but with no stress and
no relevant feedback.
:-) Diane
just not in relation to the question--all "a"s or making pretty patterns
or designs on the answer sheet. You've complied, but with no stress and
no relevant feedback.
:-) Diane
>>
>>I have also heard of kids who were philisophically opposed to
>>testing, so when their parents dropped them off at the test site,
>>they feeled in their names and personal info and then left the test
>>blank.
>>
kayb85
No, I don't know of anyone doing it in Arkansas. I have heard people
from other states discussing it.
Sheila
from other states discussing it.
Sheila
> That's one way of doing it. I've heard of it in public schools, forthem.
> sure. Have you known of those people in Arkansas? I'd like to meet
>
> Tuck