To Ned
gruvystarchild
"I've had actual occupations over the
years and parenting preoccupations that have held me at bay"
And that's all some of us have been trying to tell you....that right
now we are focused on our families and lives here at home and don't
have the extra energy/time to give to political activism.
This doesn't mean we aren't aware of the issues, it doesn't mean we
don't care.
I don't agree with some of your views, I do with others. But this is
not the time in my life to be a militaristic homeschooling activist.
I have four rambunctous children that deserve most of my energy, a
home business to run, another job outside of the home that gets some
of my time and combine that with trying to do things that interest me
and that's all I've got time for.
I only was upset with you for trying to take a list dedicated to
discussion of unschooling and trying to change it to a political
list, of which there are plenty of other places for.
The people here aren't daft, they aren't unaware, they do care deeply
about keeping freedom. This just isn't the place for it to be
focused, although it does come up occasionally.
Thank you for respecting the wishes of those here that want to
discuss how unschooling affects our households, how it spills into
other areas of our lives, how our children grow and learn....THAT is
what I'm here for.
One day I will be joining the ranks of those dedicated to actively
protecting our freedoms...this is not the time.
I love what you have to say about unschooling, about your son, about
natural learning.
I could learn a lot from you. My oldest is only 12 1/2 so I love to
hear how these grown unschoolers are following their dreams and being
successful....sometimes I wonder when I see my son playing video
games and watching tv for hours on end!! :)
I do have a question, that I hope can be answered simply and not
start another diatribe :)
Does anyone here blame HSLDA with all their unecessary stridency and
willingness to divide homeschoolers for the loss of freedom we are
experiencing? I wonder if all their activism is doing enough damage
that it's really beginning to affect more people now....???
Ren, a future activist
years and parenting preoccupations that have held me at bay"
And that's all some of us have been trying to tell you....that right
now we are focused on our families and lives here at home and don't
have the extra energy/time to give to political activism.
This doesn't mean we aren't aware of the issues, it doesn't mean we
don't care.
I don't agree with some of your views, I do with others. But this is
not the time in my life to be a militaristic homeschooling activist.
I have four rambunctous children that deserve most of my energy, a
home business to run, another job outside of the home that gets some
of my time and combine that with trying to do things that interest me
and that's all I've got time for.
I only was upset with you for trying to take a list dedicated to
discussion of unschooling and trying to change it to a political
list, of which there are plenty of other places for.
The people here aren't daft, they aren't unaware, they do care deeply
about keeping freedom. This just isn't the place for it to be
focused, although it does come up occasionally.
Thank you for respecting the wishes of those here that want to
discuss how unschooling affects our households, how it spills into
other areas of our lives, how our children grow and learn....THAT is
what I'm here for.
One day I will be joining the ranks of those dedicated to actively
protecting our freedoms...this is not the time.
I love what you have to say about unschooling, about your son, about
natural learning.
I could learn a lot from you. My oldest is only 12 1/2 so I love to
hear how these grown unschoolers are following their dreams and being
successful....sometimes I wonder when I see my son playing video
games and watching tv for hours on end!! :)
I do have a question, that I hope can be answered simply and not
start another diatribe :)
Does anyone here blame HSLDA with all their unecessary stridency and
willingness to divide homeschoolers for the loss of freedom we are
experiencing? I wonder if all their activism is doing enough damage
that it's really beginning to affect more people now....???
Ren, a future activist
Tia Leschke
>I do, in part.
>Does anyone here blame HSLDA with all their unecessary stridency and
>willingness to divide homeschoolers for the loss of freedom we are
>experiencing? I wonder if all their activism is doing enough damage
>that it's really beginning to affect more people now....???
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
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On Vancouver Island
Mary Wilhelm
Dear Tia,
Here in the US states HSLDA fights hard to preserve our right to homeschool. I know personally families that they helped when being harrassed by school officials. Without them one of these families would have complied and sent thier son back to public school. HSLDA is in Washington DC fighting to preserve our rights as home schoolers and continually monitoring the laws that affect home schoolers. With all due respect, I am an advocate for HSLDA because without them many people would just sit back and let the goverment, state and city officials tell us what we can and cannot do when it come to educating our children at home. A perfect example is prayer taken out of school, no one stood up and wham, it was accomplished and the same with the Pledge Allegiance, thank God though we have people fighting for this one. Take care and God bless, Mary W.
Here in the US states HSLDA fights hard to preserve our right to homeschool. I know personally families that they helped when being harrassed by school officials. Without them one of these families would have complied and sent thier son back to public school. HSLDA is in Washington DC fighting to preserve our rights as home schoolers and continually monitoring the laws that affect home schoolers. With all due respect, I am an advocate for HSLDA because without them many people would just sit back and let the goverment, state and city officials tell us what we can and cannot do when it come to educating our children at home. A perfect example is prayer taken out of school, no one stood up and wham, it was accomplished and the same with the Pledge Allegiance, thank God though we have people fighting for this one. Take care and God bless, Mary W.
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>Does anyone here blame HSLDA with all their unecessary stridency and
>willingness to divide homeschoolers for the loss of freedom we are
>experiencing? I wonder if all their activism is doing enough damage
>that it's really beginning to affect more people now....???
I do, in part.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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HSLDA has it's good points. They are supportive of our fight for a
new law in PA. However, they are very much school-at-homers.
I wish they would support unschoolers.
As far as prayer in schools and the pledge in schools, my solution is
to just get rid of public schools and then these things won't be an
issue.
Sheila
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wrote:
harrassed by school officials. Without them one of these families
would have complied and sent thier son back to public school. HSLDA
is in Washington DC fighting to preserve our rights as home schoolers
and continually monitoring the laws that affect home schoolers. With
all due respect, I am an advocate for HSLDA because without them many
people would just sit back and let the goverment, state and city
officials tell us what we can and cannot do when it come to educating
our children at home. A perfect example is prayer taken out of
school, no one stood up and wham, it was accomplished and the same
with the Pledge Allegiance, thank God though we have people fighting
for this one. Take care and God bless, Mary W.
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new law in PA. However, they are very much school-at-homers.
I wish they would support unschoolers.
As far as prayer in schools and the pledge in schools, my solution is
to just get rid of public schools and then these things won't be an
issue.
Sheila
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wrote:
> Dear Tia,homeschool. I know personally families that they helped when being
> Here in the US states HSLDA fights hard to preserve our right to
harrassed by school officials. Without them one of these families
would have complied and sent thier son back to public school. HSLDA
is in Washington DC fighting to preserve our rights as home schoolers
and continually monitoring the laws that affect home schoolers. With
all due respect, I am an advocate for HSLDA because without them many
people would just sit back and let the goverment, state and city
officials tell us what we can and cannot do when it come to educating
our children at home. A perfect example is prayer taken out of
school, no one stood up and wham, it was accomplished and the same
with the Pledge Allegiance, thank God though we have people fighting
for this one. Take care and God bless, Mary W.
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> >Does anyone here blame HSLDA with all their unecessary stridency
> >willingness to divide homeschoolers for the loss of freedom we aredamage
> >experiencing? I wonder if all their activism is doing enough
> >that it's really beginning to affect more people now....???email the moderator, Joyce Fetteroll (fetteroll@e... ) or the list
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> I do, in part.
> Tia
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,Mary said:
Here in the US states HSLDA fights hard to preserve our right to
homeschool
But only if we follow a curriculum. HSLDA believes that unschooling is
edcational neglect.
Have you read anything that gives the viewpoint against what HSLDA is
claiming to work for?
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
Here in the US states HSLDA fights hard to preserve our right to
homeschool
But only if we follow a curriculum. HSLDA believes that unschooling is
edcational neglect.
Have you read anything that gives the viewpoint against what HSLDA is
claiming to work for?
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
Tia Leschke
>HSLDA has it's good points. They are supportive of our fight for aI'm glad they are helping you in PA. I know there are states (and
>new law in PA. However, they are very much school-at-homers.
provinces) where people are really angry at the way HSLDA hijacked the
legislative process and got perfectly good laws changed to make it harder
for the unschoolers.
And that's before we even begin to get into their political agenda, which
scares the pants off me. I do not ever want to live in a theocracy, even
if it was a theocracy consisting of my personal spiritual beliefs.
I find it hard to understand why an unschooler would even care about prayer
in the schools or the pledge, since the only time I ever had to say it was
in school.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
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Fetteroll
on 8/13/02 8:49 PM, Tia Leschke at leschke@... wrote:
should at least do some research to be informed about the group they're
giving money to. You should know that you are giving money so Christian
fundamentalists *exclusively* can represent and defend (those cases they
choose to defend -- and sometimes not even defend but just advise). (You
might note that HSLDA's lists of support groups -- presented as though it
were a complete list -- is *only* Christian fundamentalist groups.)
A good place to start is More Information About HSLDA
http://folchslda.homestead.com/MoreInfo.html
Though the HSLDA folks have been heard to claim they aren't in with the
Reconstructionists, they're awfully chummy with them. (The
Reconstructionists want to "return" America to the theocracy the Founding
Fathers supposedly intended it to be. (I'm not quite sure how they explain
Jefferson!))
Be sure to read Seelhoff vs. Welch and Homeschooling Freedoms at Risk for
some of the things HSLDA has been involved with. Reconstruction Theology in
Home Education is an excellent introduction to the Reconstructionists.
And though many people who support HSLDA might think a political college
specifically for Christian homeschoolers (Patrick Henry College) sounds like
worthy cause, I wonder if they'd think the same if they later found out the
people they'd been trusting to represent them as *homeschoolers* had been
funneling money (until they split off a separate fund) and actively working
for a political college for witches or Muslims or Jews or some special
interest that they wouldn't have supported. (The former President of HSLDA
is now President of Patrick Henry College and still on the Board of
Directors of HSLDA.)
Joyce
> And that's before we even begin to get into their political agenda, whichIf people even think about supporting HSLDA or recommending them, they
> scares the pants off me. I do not ever want to live in a theocracy, even
> if it was a theocracy consisting of my personal spiritual beliefs.
should at least do some research to be informed about the group they're
giving money to. You should know that you are giving money so Christian
fundamentalists *exclusively* can represent and defend (those cases they
choose to defend -- and sometimes not even defend but just advise). (You
might note that HSLDA's lists of support groups -- presented as though it
were a complete list -- is *only* Christian fundamentalist groups.)
A good place to start is More Information About HSLDA
http://folchslda.homestead.com/MoreInfo.html
Though the HSLDA folks have been heard to claim they aren't in with the
Reconstructionists, they're awfully chummy with them. (The
Reconstructionists want to "return" America to the theocracy the Founding
Fathers supposedly intended it to be. (I'm not quite sure how they explain
Jefferson!))
Be sure to read Seelhoff vs. Welch and Homeschooling Freedoms at Risk for
some of the things HSLDA has been involved with. Reconstruction Theology in
Home Education is an excellent introduction to the Reconstructionists.
And though many people who support HSLDA might think a political college
specifically for Christian homeschoolers (Patrick Henry College) sounds like
worthy cause, I wonder if they'd think the same if they later found out the
people they'd been trusting to represent them as *homeschoolers* had been
funneling money (until they split off a separate fund) and actively working
for a political college for witches or Muslims or Jews or some special
interest that they wouldn't have supported. (The former President of HSLDA
is now President of Patrick Henry College and still on the Board of
Directors of HSLDA.)
Joyce