Luz Shosie and Ned Vare

I feel a need to ask:

This post (below) seems to beg for a response. Since the subject offers a
wide open door for suggesting all sorts of methods of helping "folks"
acquire some degree of literacy in order to participate in "the economy," I
am asking permission to respond, since my previous post triggered theirs and
their assumption seems to be that a communal/ institutional education
establishment is needed, and that implies political activity.

Now, we all read that the Cannons are fresh off a "grass-roots" campaign
either for or against a state income tax (TN is one of nine states that
don't have such a tax and it was defeated again last month) so they are
admittedly political animals, so to speak, especially since they posted
links to Nolan charts and such. Heck, they said they could post enough
political stuff to "highjack" the list. Imagine that. Where would they get
such an idea?

So, there's a warning here, the proposed discussion could be just a bit
uncomfortable for some, in fact it could turn into a midnight cat fight,
but there's also some meat on this bone, if it's thrown up for grabs, and
the group might get off on it -- unschoolin' at its finest. After all it's
August, the dog stays under the porch, the pond went dry and the alfalfa is
just turnin' blue waitin for the swather.

Anyway, the Cannons have posed two big questions. Several books have been
written about both of them already with no end in sight, so literacy is no
trifling matter. Maybe they're just pulling our chain, hoping to see some
more fur fly. In fairness though, they aught to be taken seriously, IMO.

Before I take a crack at it, I'm asking for permission. I've promised not to
be militaristic (never liked the army anyway) so I'll be kind as a Sunday
School teacher (which I was once, and the pianist to boot), but the ideas
(like Hell and Religion that were so well attended) might raise a cockle or
two.

Whaddya say Joyce? If you say NO, I'll be OK with listening to the others.

Ned Vare
PS I had no idea that "wussy" was an insult to women. Sorry 'bout that.
I thought it was another word for lilly-livered, timid.
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on 8/12/02 3:53 PM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:

>
> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:30:19 -0500
> From: "Nora or Devereaux Cannon" <dcannon@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: 2230 All those kids
>
> Is it not in my best interest to live in a society in which most
> of the folks have some degree of literacy and are prepared to
> participate in the economy? ...and is there any efficient way to
> achieve the goal without some communal/institutional educational
> establishment?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luz Shosie and Ned Vare" <nedvare@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 12:52 PM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: 2230 All those kids
>
>
> | Since Tia brought it up, I'll try to be brief and not to
> grandstand:
> |
> | About school, someone wrote that that many people seem to
> think as follows:
> |
> | >>the gov't needs to make sure that it's "done" to all
> children.<<
> |
> | That, in a nutshell, is the view that's called, "The Public
> Good."
> | It's the idea behind mountains of bad laws that take money from
> everyone and
> | give it to special interests. (public school is the biggest
> special interest
> | group in the country) It's the excuse that schoolers use when
> they intrude
> | into the practices of homeschoolers. It means that the state
> doesn't trust
> | us to do it, even though it fails miserably, as we all agree.
> |
>
>

Helen Hegener

At 2:13 AM -0400 8/13/02, Luz Shosie and Ned Vare wrote:
>I feel a need to ask:

And I feel a need to evade this one...

>Whaddya say Joyce? If you say NO, I'll be OK with listening to the others.

Joyce, it's your call. It's almost 2 am up here, and I need some sleep. <g>

>Ned Vare
>PS I had no idea that "wussy" was an insult to women. Sorry 'bout that.
>I thought it was another word for lilly-livered, timid.

Well, gosh, so did I, Ned. Guess us old geezers really need to keep
up with the changing meanings of these words, eh? <g>

Helen

Fetteroll

on 8/13/02 5:41 AM, Helen Hegener at HEM-Editor@... wrote:

>> Whaddya say Joyce? If you say NO, I'll be OK with listening to the others.
>
> Joyce, it's your call. It's almost 2 am up here, and I need some sleep. <g>

Oh, sure, make me the bad guy! ;-) If I say yes and people's boxes fill up
with emails of only limited interest and argument people will be upset for
me for being so lenient. If I say no I'm a big bad censor. ;-)

So we'll go with what *Helen* has said and in light of the recent
discussion, err on the side of freedom. Anything goes that relates to
unschooling. (Which is basically anything.) Just be respectful of what
people joined the list for which is to (writing this on the fly so don't
anyone etch it in stone!) discuss the nuts and bolts of putting unschooling
into practice.

(And saying this just as an observation as a poster I think anything can be
discussed without it taking over the list if it's done keeping in mind there
are people here with a low tolerance of misinformation. ;-)

Joyce
Unschooling-dotcom moderator