Re: 2218 - Out of Existence...
Luz Shosie and Ned Vare
on 8/9/02 12:40 PM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:
Yes, that has been going on in CT. Some HSers believed that the best way not
to lose our freedoms (CT has virtually no regulations) was to keep low, not
make waves, not seek our natural rights, and we'll be fine...we don't want
to risk losing even more freedoms...Well, that worked OK until this year,
when the people who want to eliminate our threat to their full control came
out of the woodwork and did their damnedest to regulate us out of existence.
It was only by luck that homeschoolers even got wind of the impending
attack. We were lucky this time, but the legislators have vowed to return,
and the superintendents and their own union never rest in their
self-interest of eliminating alternatives to their educational rice bowl.
My hope is that unschoolers who are in denial will at least be aware that
there are a great many people working hard and long to preserve what
freedoms exist for us to keep from being force to turn our children over to
the state's schools.
Then Tuck writes:
Tuck, you're probably right about "most unschoolers" but it's denial by them
and, unfortunately, by you also. Not just unschooling, but homeschooling is
"regulated out of existence" in several European countries -- people just
like many of us. Why is that so? Are those countries so different from ours?
It can happen, and it didn't happen without having people in power who want
total control of all citizens. In the US, that's the NEA and its types.
Before 1850, there was no such thing in this country. (In fact,
homeschooling was the norm) Today, the government system controls 90
percent of all children ----- Do we see a trend there? ----- And the
teachers unions advertise like gangbusters, spending teacher's money, to
increase it.
Ned Vare
[email protected] wrote:
> Message: 14Someone wrote: (sorry, I can't find who, again)
> Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:59:59 -0500
> From: KT <Tuck@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: 2213 - Government school success
>
>> The concept of UnschoolingNed responds:
>> IS the natural opposite of school. Perhaps some feel that if we openly
>> criticize schools and it's supporters such as the government, NEA, and PTO,
>> that the unschoolers way of life might be regulated out of existence. I
>> thought this was "The Land of The Free and The Brave".
Yes, that has been going on in CT. Some HSers believed that the best way not
to lose our freedoms (CT has virtually no regulations) was to keep low, not
make waves, not seek our natural rights, and we'll be fine...we don't want
to risk losing even more freedoms...Well, that worked OK until this year,
when the people who want to eliminate our threat to their full control came
out of the woodwork and did their damnedest to regulate us out of existence.
It was only by luck that homeschoolers even got wind of the impending
attack. We were lucky this time, but the legislators have vowed to return,
and the superintendents and their own union never rest in their
self-interest of eliminating alternatives to their educational rice bowl.
My hope is that unschoolers who are in denial will at least be aware that
there are a great many people working hard and long to preserve what
freedoms exist for us to keep from being force to turn our children over to
the state's schools.
Then Tuck writes:
> I don't believe most unschoolers are afraid that it will be regulatedNed sez:
> out of existence, because it never has been.
Tuck, you're probably right about "most unschoolers" but it's denial by them
and, unfortunately, by you also. Not just unschooling, but homeschooling is
"regulated out of existence" in several European countries -- people just
like many of us. Why is that so? Are those countries so different from ours?
It can happen, and it didn't happen without having people in power who want
total control of all citizens. In the US, that's the NEA and its types.
Before 1850, there was no such thing in this country. (In fact,
homeschooling was the norm) Today, the government system controls 90
percent of all children ----- Do we see a trend there? ----- And the
teachers unions advertise like gangbusters, spending teacher's money, to
increase it.
Ned Vare
[email protected]
It is awful that we also have to enter the politics of Homeschooling. But if
we don't protect our rights they will be gone. Think about this:
Homeschooling might have always been but until now it wasn't always known as
an alternative. And now it is and the homeschoolers are publicly doing a
better "job" at "teaching" and the powers that be don't like public school to
not be in control of our children.
DeWes
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we don't protect our rights they will be gone. Think about this:
Homeschooling might have always been but until now it wasn't always known as
an alternative. And now it is and the homeschoolers are publicly doing a
better "job" at "teaching" and the powers that be don't like public school to
not be in control of our children.
DeWes
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KT
>That's just fear-mongering, Ned. I usually like what you write, but I'm
>
>
>Ned sez:
>Tuck, you're probably right about "most unschoolers" but it's denial by them
>and, unfortunately, by you also. Not just unschooling, but homeschooling is
>"regulated out of existence" in several European countries -- people just
>like many of us. Why is that so? Are those countries so different from ours?
>It can happen, and it didn't happen without having people in power who want
>total control of all citizens. In the US, that's the NEA and its types.
>
finding you less than credible now.
I don't listen to doomsayers.
Tuck
[email protected]
It is awful that we also have to enter the politics of Homeschooling. But if
we don't protect our rights they will be gone
My thoughts:
Why do we homeschoolers need to go on the offensive? Why is vigilance and
action not enough?
Second thought (ooohhh!!! TWO today, and it's only 7:00am)
Home/Unschooling parents bring many talents to the arena. Some start email
lists, Some write for related periodicals, Some start local groups to
network for social events, Some put on info nights at public libraries, Some
act as "Secular Watchdogs" (my word) making sure teh religious don't claim
homeschooling as their own, some travel the country speaking at conferences,
some write books and some focus on the political side. And many simply act
as an example to other home/unschoolers quietly, by living their unschooling
lives as if nothing out of the societal norm were happening. All these are
good and valid and important to our homeschooling futures. Just because some
of us choose to focus on less political areas doesn't mean we are ignoring
or denying anything.
Everyone contributes something In Their Own Way.
I am thrilled with the bright, hard working vigilant people at Maryland Home
Ed Association and in my own county. The are doing a great job staying on
top of the inevitable boundary crossing that the school system here does.
They have given me a great gift, to contribute in my way to our
homeschooling community, which is currently starting our SECOND unschooling
group in the county. I (or anyone) can't focus on everything! Neither can
we. The school system threatening our rights to educate our own is a very
important AND interesting discussion. But I can't monopolize a homeschool
information night with unschooling, "But it is so important everyone MUST
know ALL about it!" So I make my announcement, "Maryland Unschooling Family
COnnection meets forparent support groups once a month and lots of fun
things for the kids all month long. Please speak with me after the meeting
and I will give you all the info you need to start learning about
unschooling."
Maybe there are Not enough email lists dedicated to the political side, I
think this topic DESERVES its own forum.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
we don't protect our rights they will be gone
My thoughts:
Why do we homeschoolers need to go on the offensive? Why is vigilance and
action not enough?
Second thought (ooohhh!!! TWO today, and it's only 7:00am)
Home/Unschooling parents bring many talents to the arena. Some start email
lists, Some write for related periodicals, Some start local groups to
network for social events, Some put on info nights at public libraries, Some
act as "Secular Watchdogs" (my word) making sure teh religious don't claim
homeschooling as their own, some travel the country speaking at conferences,
some write books and some focus on the political side. And many simply act
as an example to other home/unschoolers quietly, by living their unschooling
lives as if nothing out of the societal norm were happening. All these are
good and valid and important to our homeschooling futures. Just because some
of us choose to focus on less political areas doesn't mean we are ignoring
or denying anything.
Everyone contributes something In Their Own Way.
I am thrilled with the bright, hard working vigilant people at Maryland Home
Ed Association and in my own county. The are doing a great job staying on
top of the inevitable boundary crossing that the school system here does.
They have given me a great gift, to contribute in my way to our
homeschooling community, which is currently starting our SECOND unschooling
group in the county. I (or anyone) can't focus on everything! Neither can
we. The school system threatening our rights to educate our own is a very
important AND interesting discussion. But I can't monopolize a homeschool
information night with unschooling, "But it is so important everyone MUST
know ALL about it!" So I make my announcement, "Maryland Unschooling Family
COnnection meets forparent support groups once a month and lots of fun
things for the kids all month long. Please speak with me after the meeting
and I will give you all the info you need to start learning about
unschooling."
Maybe there are Not enough email lists dedicated to the political side, I
think this topic DESERVES its own forum.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
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right Elissa!
When I didn't have little ones nursing like now, I ran alot: resource dept.
of hm sch org., hm sch group at my house, organized parties like the solar
system, field trips,...
I found that 10% of people are doers and the rest complain. Found this true
in the church too.
When you're the one running things you keep seeing the same old doers. The
same 10% of whatever group it is.
too bad.
Being raised in the institution of public schools probably contributes to
this alot.
Another great reason for unschooling!
'Course any reason for unschooling is a good reason!
DeWes
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When I didn't have little ones nursing like now, I ran alot: resource dept.
of hm sch org., hm sch group at my house, organized parties like the solar
system, field trips,...
I found that 10% of people are doers and the rest complain. Found this true
in the church too.
When you're the one running things you keep seeing the same old doers. The
same 10% of whatever group it is.
too bad.
Being raised in the institution of public schools probably contributes to
this alot.
Another great reason for unschooling!
'Course any reason for unschooling is a good reason!
DeWes
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