Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 2217
Julie Stauffer
<<he caused a war. He killed people from Russian to Africa. He was a
monster.>>
He was insane.
If killing innocent people in a war makes one a monster, how monstrous is
the United States? As we get ready to make war on Iraq, I think it is
important to remember that the people who will die are not the ones who made
the choices for which their country is being "punished". Just like the
Afghanis. I don't think the old, poor, women and children (the ones not
able to run to Pakistan) were the ones making policy decisions about
Al-Quaida.
Sorry....but the Evil vs. Good debate starts to grate after awhile.
Julie
monster.>>
He was insane.
If killing innocent people in a war makes one a monster, how monstrous is
the United States? As we get ready to make war on Iraq, I think it is
important to remember that the people who will die are not the ones who made
the choices for which their country is being "punished". Just like the
Afghanis. I don't think the old, poor, women and children (the ones not
able to run to Pakistan) were the ones making policy decisions about
Al-Quaida.
Sorry....but the Evil vs. Good debate starts to grate after awhile.
Julie
Julie Stauffer
<<child molesters, murderers. You know, people who, by just about any
standard, would be considered evil>>
Here in San Antonio. We had a case a few years ago of an 11 yo girl who had
been mistreated most of her life. She lived in filth and was forced to care
for younger siblings and kids a lot of the time. In a desperate act, she
killed two young children in her care. Is she evil? I can't judge her.
I spend a significant amount of time writing to a young man in prison for
selling drugs. His behavior led to the death of several people. He grew up
in foster care, was beaten, told he was stupid and would never amount to
anything. Is he evil? I can't judge him.
I swear Jesus/Goddess/the Great I AM/Zeus must be wondering if we will EVER
get it, EVER. I know I do.
Julie
standard, would be considered evil>>
Here in San Antonio. We had a case a few years ago of an 11 yo girl who had
been mistreated most of her life. She lived in filth and was forced to care
for younger siblings and kids a lot of the time. In a desperate act, she
killed two young children in her care. Is she evil? I can't judge her.
I spend a significant amount of time writing to a young man in prison for
selling drugs. His behavior led to the death of several people. He grew up
in foster care, was beaten, told he was stupid and would never amount to
anything. Is he evil? I can't judge him.
I swear Jesus/Goddess/the Great I AM/Zeus must be wondering if we will EVER
get it, EVER. I know I do.
Julie
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AMEN..
L
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----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Stauffer
To: [email protected]
......
If killing innocent people in a war makes one a monster, how monstrous is
the United States? As we get ready to make war on Iraq, I think it is
important to remember that the people who will die are not the ones who made
the choices for which their country is being "punished". Just like the
Afghanis. I don't think the old, poor, women and children (the ones not
able to run to Pakistan) were the ones making policy decisions about
Al-Quaida.
....
Julie
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JULIE.. are you here in SA?? i am not doing well keeping track of people.. (too busy being smart eleck i guess)..
i remember that girl and i remember how sad i was that she was punished so harshly she was just a child herself and a victim.. and was again victimized by the justice system..
HUMANS!!!.. go figure, huh?
LLL
i remember that girl and i remember how sad i was that she was punished so harshly she was just a child herself and a victim.. and was again victimized by the justice system..
HUMANS!!!.. go figure, huh?
LLL
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Stauffer
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 2217
<<child molesters, murderers. You know, people who, by just about any
standard, would be considered evil>>
Here in San Antonio. We had a case a few years ago of an 11 yo girl who had
been mistreated most of her life. She lived in filth and was forced to care
for younger siblings and kids a lot of the time. In a desperate act, she
killed two young children in her care. Is she evil? I can't judge her.
I spend a significant amount of time writing to a young man in prison for
selling drugs. His behavior led to the death of several people. He grew up
in foster care, was beaten, told he was stupid and would never amount to
anything. Is he evil? I can't judge him.
I swear Jesus/Goddess/the Great I AM/Zeus must be wondering if we will EVER
get it, EVER. I know I do.
Julie
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Luz Shosie and Ned Vare
on 8/9/02 10:48 AM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:
What about all the people who helped Hitler directly with the job of killing
6M people in ovens? you know, the ones who designed the ovens and built
them, the ones who sewed the prisoners' uniforms and collected the gold from
their teeth after they died, those who ordered the trains to collect the
prisoners. It must have take many millions to do all that (do you think they
didn't know what they were doing as they watched their neighbors being
hauled away and loaded on the trains with none of their possessions and
their shops destroyed...and all the people in other countries who believed
he was doing exactly the right thing...
How do I "qualify" as a "good" person?
Are you sure that your brand of Cristianity has enough room in its Hell for
all the people it thinks really belong there? Exactly where does it draw the
line. Really, I've always been interested in this, and I'm sure the kids are
too.
Ned Vare
[email protected] wrote:
> Message: 16Ned asks Suzanna:
> Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:04:50 -0000
> From: "dabejorysmom" <suzanna.n@...>
> Subject: Re: Hell
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., <ElissaJC@c...> wrote:
>> Judaism has no real concept of hell, it a Christian thing
>> ~Elissa Cleaveland
>
> That depends on which Christian church you are talking about. The
> church I belong to does not have the same concept of Hell as most
> others. We don't believe in a literal firey pit. We do believe that
> all of the evil people will spend eternity with each other though,
> and never be around good people. I think that would be all the
> punishment neccessary. And by evil people, we don't mean people who
> believe differently than us, we mean really evil people like Hitler,
> child molestors, murders, etc. You know, people who, by just about
> any standard, would be considered evil.
>
> -Suzanna
>
>
What about all the people who helped Hitler directly with the job of killing
6M people in ovens? you know, the ones who designed the ovens and built
them, the ones who sewed the prisoners' uniforms and collected the gold from
their teeth after they died, those who ordered the trains to collect the
prisoners. It must have take many millions to do all that (do you think they
didn't know what they were doing as they watched their neighbors being
hauled away and loaded on the trains with none of their possessions and
their shops destroyed...and all the people in other countries who believed
he was doing exactly the right thing...
How do I "qualify" as a "good" person?
Are you sure that your brand of Cristianity has enough room in its Hell for
all the people it thinks really belong there? Exactly where does it draw the
line. Really, I've always been interested in this, and I'm sure the kids are
too.
Ned Vare