Re: return of the Cuban missile crisis
Julie Stauffer
<<Are you now an admirer of Che and Fidel?>>
I find significant things to admire about both men. Che voluntarily gave up
a life of ease (being a medical doctor in Argentina) to fight against what
he saw as sub-human treatment of people in Latin America (children dying of
malnutrition related illnesses while picking fruit for United Fruit Company,
etc.) I surely admire that.
Fidel saw feeding all people and teaching them all to read as more important
than freedom of speech. I admire his goals if not always his methods.
Were both men flawed? Yes.
Julie
I find significant things to admire about both men. Che voluntarily gave up
a life of ease (being a medical doctor in Argentina) to fight against what
he saw as sub-human treatment of people in Latin America (children dying of
malnutrition related illnesses while picking fruit for United Fruit Company,
etc.) I surely admire that.
Fidel saw feeding all people and teaching them all to read as more important
than freedom of speech. I admire his goals if not always his methods.
Were both men flawed? Yes.
Julie
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In a message dated 8/7/2002 10:43:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jnjstau@... writes:
You don't know me from Adam, and I fear I'm being presumptuous, but
nevertheless I have to argue with you. I see nothing to admire in either man.
I see the will to power in two national socialists who could never have
obtained the power they so craved had they not knelt to the tragic need found
all round them. Castro is, in the words of historian John Lukacs, only "the
latest of the Many Tyrants in the inchoate history of that tropical island."
There are indeed aspects about Che that are attractive and capable of
tempting one to be sympathetic, but when the goal is a Marxist paradise, this
foolishness cancels out anything worth admiring -- free medical and dental
notwithstanding. And last I checked, homeschooling, let alone unschooling, is
illegal in Cuba.
But your original post was about learning on your own rather than taking the
party line, and that is admirable (even though you will now have to detox
from the National Geographic slant!), and I hope I haven't offended you with
my angle, ignorant SOB that I am.
Bob Sale
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jnjstau@... writes:
> I find significant things to admire about both men.Julie,
You don't know me from Adam, and I fear I'm being presumptuous, but
nevertheless I have to argue with you. I see nothing to admire in either man.
I see the will to power in two national socialists who could never have
obtained the power they so craved had they not knelt to the tragic need found
all round them. Castro is, in the words of historian John Lukacs, only "the
latest of the Many Tyrants in the inchoate history of that tropical island."
There are indeed aspects about Che that are attractive and capable of
tempting one to be sympathetic, but when the goal is a Marxist paradise, this
foolishness cancels out anything worth admiring -- free medical and dental
notwithstanding. And last I checked, homeschooling, let alone unschooling, is
illegal in Cuba.
But your original post was about learning on your own rather than taking the
party line, and that is admirable (even though you will now have to detox
from the National Geographic slant!), and I hope I haven't offended you with
my angle, ignorant SOB that I am.
Bob Sale
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In a message dated 8/7/02 1:21:05 PM Central Daylight Time, rsale515@...
writes:
~Nancy
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writes:
> But your original post was about learning on your own rather than taking theHey Bob! What's wrong with National Geographic?
> party line, and that is admirable (even though you will now have to detox
> from the National Geographic slant!), and I hope I haven't offended you
> with
> my angle, ignorant SOB that I am.
>
> Bob Sale
~Nancy
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BOB SALE you ignorant SOB...
(oops sorry, couldn;t resist)
i'm with julie..keep an open mind..
even those who's ideas end with negative results.. somewhere in there is almost always a reaching to do good..
okay.. hit me with the hitler thing..
then i'll rally with the inquisition .. and the witch burnings..
then.. you'll toss me a right with the.. uh.. oh well, i've run out but it was fun while it lasted..
L
(oops sorry, couldn;t resist)
i'm with julie..keep an open mind..
even those who's ideas end with negative results.. somewhere in there is almost always a reaching to do good..
okay.. hit me with the hitler thing..
then i'll rally with the inquisition .. and the witch burnings..
then.. you'll toss me a right with the.. uh.. oh well, i've run out but it was fun while it lasted..
L
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From: rsale515@...
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Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: return of the Cuban missile crisis
In a message dated 8/7/2002 10:43:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jnjstau@... writes:
> I find significant things to admire about both men.
Julie,
You don't know me from Adam, and I fear I'm being presumptuous, but
nevertheless I have to argue with you. I see nothing to admire in either man.
I see the will to power in two national socialists who could never have
obtained the power they so craved had they not knelt to the tragic need found
all round them. Castro is, in the words of historian John Lukacs, only "the
latest of the Many Tyrants in the inchoate history of that tropical island."
There are indeed aspects about Che that are attractive and capable of
tempting one to be sympathetic, but when the goal is a Marxist paradise, this
foolishness cancels out anything worth admiring -- free medical and dental
notwithstanding. And last I checked, homeschooling, let alone unschooling, is
illegal in Cuba.
But your original post was about learning on your own rather than taking the
party line, and that is admirable (even though you will now have to detox
from the National Geographic slant!), and I hope I haven't offended you with
my angle, ignorant SOB that I am.
Bob Sale
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In a message dated 8/7/2002 1:59:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Dnowens@...
writes:
Nothing, except articles which fairly sing the praises of Fidel and Che, I
suppose. I subscribe and I don't remember the article that Julie was talking
about, but I'll look for it.
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if strewn throughout their offices are those
coffee cups with Che's mug (nice pun, eh?).
I'm sorry, I'm a hard-a** when it comes to this sort of thing. I find myself
more attracted to a writer like Robert Kaplan at the Atlantic, who like the
writers for NG, has been through all of the hotspots round the world, but who
doesn't get all jello-y when paeans to Marx get read by aspiring tyrants.
Bob
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writes:
> Hey Bob! What's wrong with National Geographic?Nancy,
Nothing, except articles which fairly sing the praises of Fidel and Che, I
suppose. I subscribe and I don't remember the article that Julie was talking
about, but I'll look for it.
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if strewn throughout their offices are those
coffee cups with Che's mug (nice pun, eh?).
I'm sorry, I'm a hard-a** when it comes to this sort of thing. I find myself
more attracted to a writer like Robert Kaplan at the Atlantic, who like the
writers for NG, has been through all of the hotspots round the world, but who
doesn't get all jello-y when paeans to Marx get read by aspiring tyrants.
Bob
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