Luz Shosie and Ned Vare

on 8/3/02 6:59 PM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:

>> did anyone every hear their kids spell tree ~CHREE!???
and
>>My 14 year old still says unchill instead of until.

Sure. Those spellings are perfect responses to the way they often hear
people pronounce those words. Here's another: The chruck crash was chragic.
How 'bout the ever popular, nucular -- for nuclear.

The sloppiness in not in the child's spelling, but in the way some adults
pronunce the words. Very often, the so-called mistakes are part of the kids'
charm, of course.

Ned Vare

kayb85

> How 'bout the ever popular, nucular -- for nuclear.

That has to be a regional pronunciation! When I pronounce nuclear, I
say noo-cleee-er.

I have a friend from Philadelphia who pronounces crayon like crown.
And when she pronounces America, she says it as though the er rhymes
with were. A-mer-ica. I pronounce it A-mare-ica.

Sheila

zenmomma *

>>The sloppiness in not in the child's spelling, but in the way some adults
>>pronunce the words.>>

Yes. I found myself becoming much more careful in my articulation as Casey
learned to spell.

>>Very often, the so-called mistakes are part of the kids'
charm, of course.>>

Casey's early writings are so very charming. ;-) If you've ever seen the
movie Nell with Jodie Foster, you'll have an edge on reading Casey's early
stuff. You kind of had to forget what you knew and just flow with the
letters and sounds.

Life is good.
~Mary
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In a message dated 8/3/2002 8:18:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
nedvare@... writes:


> The sloppiness in not in the child's spelling, but in the way some adults
> pronunce the words. Very often, the so-called mistakes are part of the
> kids'
> charm, of course.

When Roxana was little, she stood inside the front door -- someone outside
was knocking - and she shouted: "Whobody is there?" <G> (nobody, anybody,
everybody, somebody, .... logical assumption that whobody was a perfectly
good word)

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mary krzyzanowski

My daughter when she was about 5 asked, "who's that man that lives with
DickenAudrey?" Our whole family said their names as one word, so Elizabeth
thought we were talking about one person instead of Dick and Audrey.
Mary-NY


>From: Luz Shosie and Ned Vare <nedvare@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Phon phun
>Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 23:20:07 -0400
>
>on 8/3/02 6:59 PM, [email protected] at
>[email protected] wrote:
>
> >> did anyone every hear their kids spell tree ~CHREE!???
>and
> >>My 14 year old still says unchill instead of until.
>
>Sure. Those spellings are perfect responses to the way they often hear
>people pronounce those words. Here's another: The chruck crash was chragic.
>How 'bout the ever popular, nucular -- for nuclear.
>
>The sloppiness in not in the child's spelling, but in the way some adults
>pronunce the words. Very often, the so-called mistakes are part of the
>kids'
>charm, of course.
>
>Ned Vare

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I'm reminded of a British child star whose Hollywood tutors tried to "correct" his English.

"Fluffyan" (say "Philadelphian" real fast") is almost a dialect unto itself. Not only do you have to understand pronunciations, you have to know forms of words ("youse" is familiar since Rocky, but did youse know the singular form is "yiz"?) and verbal shorthand in order to understand what people are saying.
"Yo, did youse go da ben or walwitman downa shore?"
"Kin yiz stop at acame an geta baddle a wooder?"
I've heard Appalachian dialect(s?), and am fascinated with any native American speech that needs to be subtitled for wider audiences. How many other such dialects are there? Where is the line between vernacular speech and "incorrect" pronunciation? If you speak an "improper" form of the language, how do you address the issue with your kids?


>kayb85 wrote: I have a friend from Philadelphia who pronounces crayon like crown.
And when she pronounces America, she says it as though the er rhymes
with were. A-mer-ica. I pronounce it A-mare-ica.


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kayb85

Lol! The official Pennsylvania coal region dictionary:

http://www.coalregion.com/Speak/speakA.htm



> "Fluffyan" (say "Philadelphian" real fast") is almost a dialect
unto itself. Not only do you have to understand pronunciations, you
have to know forms of words ("youse" is familiar since Rocky, but did
youse know the singular form is "yiz"?) and verbal shorthand in order
to understand what people are saying.
> "Yo, did youse go da ben or walwitman downa shore?"
> "Kin yiz stop at acame an geta baddle a wooder?"
> I've heard Appalachian dialect(s?), and am fascinated with any
native American speech that needs to be subtitled for wider
audiences. How many other such dialects are there? Where is the line
between vernacular speech and "incorrect" pronunciation? If you speak
an "improper" form of the language, how do you address the issue with
your kids?