college advice for ADD Adults
David and Bonnie Altman
I am also an ADD coach but I do not want to use the list for
self-promotion. If you need a referral to someone, I will be glad to give
it to you.
I am dealing on a regular basis with several ADD adults who now hate school
and can't even stand the fact they need a paper that states they have a
brain (BA= Brain functioning Apparent) to make over minimum wage. My
husband is one of those people, but he is going to college anyway because
he knows he needs it to get a good job. He tried unsuccessfully for 10
years to make a living without the degree, and nothing worked. He hates
school, but he is going. He says it helps that he is smarter than everyone
else.
Lynn Weiss put out two fantastic workbooks for ADD. One is the ADD in
Adults Workbook and the second is View From A Cliff, which is newer.
California has several programs in college for ADD Adults, and those
programs should be listed in the Petersen's guide. If not, contact
University of California Davis. Ask to speak to the office for students
with Disabilities. They will probably want to meet with you in person. I
understand they have a very good program there. Your son may have to get a
new evaluation for any assistance in college and to get accommodations on
the SAT.
However, the advantage there is that he will see for himself that the ADA
law generally protects college students MORE than it protects children. In
fact, as of 2003 there will no longer be special notations on SAT's for
students who needed additional time to complete it on basis of disability.
THAT is a LARGE accomplishment.
Bonnie
self-promotion. If you need a referral to someone, I will be glad to give
it to you.
I am dealing on a regular basis with several ADD adults who now hate school
and can't even stand the fact they need a paper that states they have a
brain (BA= Brain functioning Apparent) to make over minimum wage. My
husband is one of those people, but he is going to college anyway because
he knows he needs it to get a good job. He tried unsuccessfully for 10
years to make a living without the degree, and nothing worked. He hates
school, but he is going. He says it helps that he is smarter than everyone
else.
Lynn Weiss put out two fantastic workbooks for ADD. One is the ADD in
Adults Workbook and the second is View From A Cliff, which is newer.
California has several programs in college for ADD Adults, and those
programs should be listed in the Petersen's guide. If not, contact
University of California Davis. Ask to speak to the office for students
with Disabilities. They will probably want to meet with you in person. I
understand they have a very good program there. Your son may have to get a
new evaluation for any assistance in college and to get accommodations on
the SAT.
However, the advantage there is that he will see for himself that the ADA
law generally protects college students MORE than it protects children. In
fact, as of 2003 there will no longer be special notations on SAT's for
students who needed additional time to complete it on basis of disability.
THAT is a LARGE accomplishment.
Bonnie
Leslie Avery
After having been "labeled" all of his life as a
person with a learning disability, which has severly
hurt his self esteem, the last thing my son wants to
do is to attend another school which will label him as
well. Is there no school which sees this (ADD)
strictly as a learning difference and not a
disability.
My son trys to read and hates it, he does not learn
that way, does much better by learning visually. The
last time he was tested in 9th grade he tested 2 grade
levels higher, this was a complete change from three
years before when his testing was below average. The
difference was he was given the test orally versus
written. Because the test was given differently than
the rest of his class, must that always be considered
a disability.
Leslie
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person with a learning disability, which has severly
hurt his self esteem, the last thing my son wants to
do is to attend another school which will label him as
well. Is there no school which sees this (ADD)
strictly as a learning difference and not a
disability.
My son trys to read and hates it, he does not learn
that way, does much better by learning visually. The
last time he was tested in 9th grade he tested 2 grade
levels higher, this was a complete change from three
years before when his testing was below average. The
difference was he was given the test orally versus
written. Because the test was given differently than
the rest of his class, must that always be considered
a disability.
Leslie
--- David and Bonnie Altman <altman@...> wrote:
> I am also an ADD coach but I do not want to use the__________________________________________________
> list for
> self-promotion. If you need a referral to someone, I
> will be glad to give
> it to you.
>
> I am dealing on a regular basis with several ADD
> adults who now hate school
> and can't even stand the fact they need a paper that
> states they have a
> brain (BA= Brain functioning Apparent) to make over
> minimum wage. My
> husband is one of those people, but he is going to
> college anyway because
> he knows he needs it to get a good job. He tried
> unsuccessfully for 10
> years to make a living without the degree, and
> nothing worked. He hates
> school, but he is going. He says it helps that he
> is smarter than everyone
> else.
>
> Lynn Weiss put out two fantastic workbooks for ADD.
> One is the ADD in
> Adults Workbook and the second is View From A Cliff,
> which is newer.
>
> California has several programs in college for ADD
> Adults, and those
> programs should be listed in the Petersen's guide.
> If not, contact
> University of California Davis. Ask to speak to the
> office for students
> with Disabilities. They will probably want to meet
> with you in person. I
> understand they have a very good program there. Your
> son may have to get a
> new evaluation for any assistance in college and to
> get accommodations on
> the SAT.
>
> However, the advantage there is that he will see for
> himself that the ADA
> law generally protects college students MORE than it
> protects children. In
> fact, as of 2003 there will no longer be special
> notations on SAT's for
> students who needed additional time to complete it
> on basis of disability.
> THAT is a LARGE accomplishment.
>
> Bonnie
>
>
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zenmomma *
>>My husband is one of those people, but he is going to college anywayThis comment is not meant to negate your husband's experience, but rather to
>>because he knows he needs it to get a good job. He tried unsuccessfully
>>for 10 years to make a living without the degree, and nothing worked. He
>>hates school, but he is going.>>
add another point of view.
My husband Jon also had no use for school. Ever. He dropped out of high
school and at various times has tried going to various other schooling
programs. So far, he has dropped out of community college, university, and
trade school. These attempts at schooling all happened early in his career
and life's journey when he thought that maybe the lack of a degree was
holding him back. It wasn't and it hasn't.
At age 43 Jon has been successfully supporting his family for over 20 years
now. He has follwed his interests, taken advantage of mentors and in-house
publications, and self-taught himself the things he needed to move ahead in
his field. His employers have always looked at him and his skills, rather
than at his degrees or lack thereof.
I should point out that Jon is also currently plotting a way to drop out of
corporate life altogether. ;-) He has been reading and studying and talking
to knowledgable folks and visiting and trying out and sampling and whatever.
We soon hope to be able to open our own cafe.
Life is good.
~Mary
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zenmomma *
>>My son trys to read and hates it, he does not learnthat way, does much better by learning visually.>>
Well now that he's out of school he can learn any old way that suits him.
:o) It's time to give him time to figure out his own brain. Let him dabble
and try things and play around with stuff and experiment. Let him rest and
sleep and recharge his soul. Let him find himself again.
>>The last time he was tested in 9th grade he tested 2 gradelevels higher, this was a complete change from three
years before when his testing was below average. The
difference was he was given the test orally versus
written. Because the test was given differently than
the rest of his class, must that always be considered
a disability.>>
If he's not in school right now, he doesn't have to worry about tests at
all. He's not behind or ahead of anybody. He knows what he knows and can
learn what he's interested in. If he needs it, he will learn.
I truly believe that kids who have had this much difficulty in school really
need time to heal and grow within themselves before they even begin to think
about college and more school.
Life is good.
~Mary
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Liza Sabater
<liza delurking>
Sorry I am coming late into the conversation.
There is a book I am dying to get my hands on, "The Rise of the
Creative Class". It just came out and I scanned it at B&N. It was
written by a public policy scholar and the gist of it is that people
in creative positions are disrupting the 'American work ethic'
paradigm for good. He does not, to my knowledge, address the issue of
a college degree but what he does point out is that businesses have
been flocking to cities all across the US where the creative index is
high because creatives will not come to them.
I point this out because, although it seems to be true that HR-hacks
tell people they need a degree to get ahead in life, it really
depends on the kind of job you are pursuing. I can only attest for
such industries as tech, web, pr & advertising --they really do not
care from which school you come from. What people in this industries
are looking for are experts in their fields with good portfolios and
good references. My husband and I are the classic case of people who
self-taught themselves how to work with computers (he's a software
programmer, I'm web creative editor). He has a BFA in Painting, I
have an ABD in Latin American Languages and Literature. If people
were just looking at our degrees, we would never be considered for
any of the jobs we have had.
Mary,
Life definitely is good outside of the corporate world. Different and
sometimes difficult but definitely good. We have corporate free-lance
jobs we just don't have corporate lifestyles. That in itself is worth
an extra 15 years of good health and a happy life.
<liza back to lurking>
Sorry I am coming late into the conversation.
There is a book I am dying to get my hands on, "The Rise of the
Creative Class". It just came out and I scanned it at B&N. It was
written by a public policy scholar and the gist of it is that people
in creative positions are disrupting the 'American work ethic'
paradigm for good. He does not, to my knowledge, address the issue of
a college degree but what he does point out is that businesses have
been flocking to cities all across the US where the creative index is
high because creatives will not come to them.
I point this out because, although it seems to be true that HR-hacks
tell people they need a degree to get ahead in life, it really
depends on the kind of job you are pursuing. I can only attest for
such industries as tech, web, pr & advertising --they really do not
care from which school you come from. What people in this industries
are looking for are experts in their fields with good portfolios and
good references. My husband and I are the classic case of people who
self-taught themselves how to work with computers (he's a software
programmer, I'm web creative editor). He has a BFA in Painting, I
have an ABD in Latin American Languages and Literature. If people
were just looking at our degrees, we would never be considered for
any of the jobs we have had.
Mary,
Life definitely is good outside of the corporate world. Different and
sometimes difficult but definitely good. We have corporate free-lance
jobs we just don't have corporate lifestyles. That in itself is worth
an extra 15 years of good health and a happy life.
<liza back to lurking>
>At age 43 Jon has been successfully supporting his family for over 20 years
>now. He has follwed his interests, taken advantage of mentors and in-house
>publications, and self-taught himself the things he needed to move ahead in
>his field. His employers have always looked at him and his skills, rather
>than at his degrees or lack thereof.
>
>I should point out that Jon is also currently plotting a way to drop out of
>corporate life altogether. ;-) He has been reading and studying and talking
>to knowledgable folks and visiting and trying out and sampling and whatever.
>We soon hope to be able to open our own cafe.
>
>Life is good.
>~Mary
>
David and Bonnie Altman
UC Davis is very unique. I personally am attending University of Houston.
And as I said, I have found that the college atmosphere is a lot different
for Learning Differenced people, which is why I suggested meeting with the
department. My experience is very positive.
For colleges that are designed specifically for people who learn
differently, you may want to check out Beacon College in Florida at
www.beacon.edu and Landmark College in Vermont at www.landmark.edu.
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And as I said, I have found that the college atmosphere is a lot different
for Learning Differenced people, which is why I suggested meeting with the
department. My experience is very positive.
For colleges that are designed specifically for people who learn
differently, you may want to check out Beacon College in Florida at
www.beacon.edu and Landmark College in Vermont at www.landmark.edu.
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David and Bonnie Altman
The problem is that he refuses to be accountable even to me, and in a
marriage that doesn't work. He expected to just fork over $20,000 and let
him do what he wants with it without supplying a business plan or other
written plan of what he wants to do with the money. If he were on his own,
he could take whatever risks he wanted. But with a wife and three kids, he
has to be responsible to a degree. If he doesn't want to be responsible,
then he should leave.
Bonnie
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to
add another point of view.
My husband Jon also had no use for school. Ever. He dropped out of high
school and at various times has tried going to various other schooling
programs. So far, he has dropped out of community college, university, and
trade school. These attempts at schooling all happened early in his career
and life's journey when he thought that maybe the lack of a degree was
holding him back. It wasn't and it hasn't.
At age 43 Jon has been successfully supporting his family for over 20 years
now. He has follwed his interests, taken advantage of mentors and in-house
publications, and self-taught himself the things he needed to move ahead in
his field. His employers have always looked at him and his skills, rather
than at his degrees or lack thereof.
I should point out that Jon is also currently plotting a way to drop out of
corporate life altogether. ;-) He has been reading and studying and talking
to knowledgable folks and visiting and trying out and sampling and
whatever.
We soon hope to be able to open our own cafe.
Life is good.
~Mary
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marriage that doesn't work. He expected to just fork over $20,000 and let
him do what he wants with it without supplying a business plan or other
written plan of what he wants to do with the money. If he were on his own,
he could take whatever risks he wanted. But with a wife and three kids, he
has to be responsible to a degree. If he doesn't want to be responsible,
then he should leave.
Bonnie
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>>My husband is one of those people, but he is going to college anywayThis comment is not meant to negate your husband's experience, but rather
>>because he knows he needs it to get a good job. He tried unsuccessfully
>>for 10 years to make a living without the degree, and nothing worked. He
>>hates school, but he is going.>>
to
add another point of view.
My husband Jon also had no use for school. Ever. He dropped out of high
school and at various times has tried going to various other schooling
programs. So far, he has dropped out of community college, university, and
trade school. These attempts at schooling all happened early in his career
and life's journey when he thought that maybe the lack of a degree was
holding him back. It wasn't and it hasn't.
At age 43 Jon has been successfully supporting his family for over 20 years
now. He has follwed his interests, taken advantage of mentors and in-house
publications, and self-taught himself the things he needed to move ahead in
his field. His employers have always looked at him and his skills, rather
than at his degrees or lack thereof.
I should point out that Jon is also currently plotting a way to drop out of
corporate life altogether. ;-) He has been reading and studying and talking
to knowledgable folks and visiting and trying out and sampling and
whatever.
We soon hope to be able to open our own cafe.
Life is good.
~Mary
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