a question and needing some reassurance
vivrh
Hi there all
I havent posted much lately, we are SO busy with summer time activities. I
read all the posts though. :-)
My two kids have been unschooling since last fall and home schooling since
2000. I am very happy with how happy they are and how well they are doing.
My question in this: I see a huge back slide in their writing and spelling
since we have ceased any kind of forced practice. Did anyone else see this
and if so did you let it ride? Did it bother anyone else the way it bothers
me that their once beautiful cursive is now block printing that is barely
legible? I have not siad anything to either of them, but I find it really
bothering me! :-( I know - I know very petty. Please reassure me that they
will catch up to where they were and beyond! Thanks
God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 hospital
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UC
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
I havent posted much lately, we are SO busy with summer time activities. I
read all the posts though. :-)
My two kids have been unschooling since last fall and home schooling since
2000. I am very happy with how happy they are and how well they are doing.
My question in this: I see a huge back slide in their writing and spelling
since we have ceased any kind of forced practice. Did anyone else see this
and if so did you let it ride? Did it bother anyone else the way it bothers
me that their once beautiful cursive is now block printing that is barely
legible? I have not siad anything to either of them, but I find it really
bothering me! :-( I know - I know very petty. Please reassure me that they
will catch up to where they were and beyond! Thanks
God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 hospital
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UC
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
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On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:17:40 -0700 "vivrh" <vivrh@...> writes:
They may actually not have beautiful cursive again. They may be doctors
;-) I sure don't have beautiful cursive, neither does my brother. Neither
does my dad, but he is a doctor so it's okay . OTOH, we've never *needed*
to have beautiful cursive. My brother writes his signature and prints
everything else, it works fine.
As far as spelling, my take on it is that if they've "forgotten" it then
it wasn't really learned, more like parroted. My daughter went to a
Montessori kindergarten where they thought she was just brilliant, and
had her adding and subtracting 5 and 6 digit numbers flawlessly. She
forgot how to do it within a few months of leaving the place - I don't
think she ever understood how it all worked, she just remember the
"steps" long enough to survive there. Two or three years later, when she
was playing games with scores that were 4 digits long or more and doing
them in her head her way became too laborious for her, she asked me about
how I was adding my score. I was using that same traditional algorithm,
adding the ones, carrying the tens, all that. She was fascinated, thought
it was the coolest thing, asked me to write her lots of addition problems
with zillions of digits, and has it down cold now.
Dar
>Did it bother anyone else the way it bothersit
> me that their once beautiful cursive is now block printing that is
> barely legible? I have not siad anything to either of them, but I find
> really bothering me! :-( I know - I know very petty. Please reassure meYour kids were 7 and 5 and wrote in beautiful cursive??? Wow.
> that they will catch up to where they were and beyond!
They may actually not have beautiful cursive again. They may be doctors
;-) I sure don't have beautiful cursive, neither does my brother. Neither
does my dad, but he is a doctor so it's okay . OTOH, we've never *needed*
to have beautiful cursive. My brother writes his signature and prints
everything else, it works fine.
As far as spelling, my take on it is that if they've "forgotten" it then
it wasn't really learned, more like parroted. My daughter went to a
Montessori kindergarten where they thought she was just brilliant, and
had her adding and subtracting 5 and 6 digit numbers flawlessly. She
forgot how to do it within a few months of leaving the place - I don't
think she ever understood how it all worked, she just remember the
"steps" long enough to survive there. Two or three years later, when she
was playing games with scores that were 4 digits long or more and doing
them in her head her way became too laborious for her, she asked me about
how I was adding my score. I was using that same traditional algorithm,
adding the ones, carrying the tens, all that. She was fascinated, thought
it was the coolest thing, asked me to write her lots of addition problems
with zillions of digits, and has it down cold now.
Dar
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In a message dated 7/15/02 6:33:21 PM, vivrh@... writes:
<< I find it really
bothering me! :-( I know - I know very petty. Please reassure me that they
will catch up to where they were and beyond! >>
No, but I wanted to reassure you it was kinda petty. How many of the adults
around you write beautifully in cursive? Of those who do, how many actually
WRITE anything with it besides maybe grocery lists, an occasional check, and
Christmas cards?
They probably will NEVER catch up to the forced-writing schedule school would
have imposed on them. If cursive writing is a priority in your life... WHY?
How's their typing? Do they use the computer to write? E-mail or anything?
Sandra
<< I find it really
bothering me! :-( I know - I know very petty. Please reassure me that they
will catch up to where they were and beyond! >>
No, but I wanted to reassure you it was kinda petty. How many of the adults
around you write beautifully in cursive? Of those who do, how many actually
WRITE anything with it besides maybe grocery lists, an occasional check, and
Christmas cards?
They probably will NEVER catch up to the forced-writing schedule school would
have imposed on them. If cursive writing is a priority in your life... WHY?
How's their typing? Do they use the computer to write? E-mail or anything?
Sandra
vivrh
As far as spelling, my take on it is that if they've "forgotten" it then
it wasn't really learned, more like parroted.
Good point Dar. It is very true that they probably didnt really ;know; and that is why it is so easily forgotten.
Your kids were 7 and 5 and wrote in beautiful cursive??? Wow.
Actually my son will be 9 in October and my daughter will be 7 next month. I should clarify though that my son had beautiful cursive writing and his printing is barely legible now, while my daughter has forgotten EVERYTHING! This would even include how to write a 5 correctly instead it is backwards. I do see them growing in other ways but this is such a visible way to back slide that I feel bad that they are no longer good at things they were good at before unschooling.
God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 hospital
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UC
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
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it wasn't really learned, more like parroted.
Good point Dar. It is very true that they probably didnt really ;know; and that is why it is so easily forgotten.
Your kids were 7 and 5 and wrote in beautiful cursive??? Wow.
Actually my son will be 9 in October and my daughter will be 7 next month. I should clarify though that my son had beautiful cursive writing and his printing is barely legible now, while my daughter has forgotten EVERYTHING! This would even include how to write a 5 correctly instead it is backwards. I do see them growing in other ways but this is such a visible way to back slide that I feel bad that they are no longer good at things they were good at before unschooling.
God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 hospital
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UC
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
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Joylyn
The ability to spell is overrated. However the ability to use spell
check, or a dictionary, are important.
And these days who needs to write. One can use a palm pilot, a
computer, and a printer for everything! I do.
Joylyn
vivrh wrote:
check, or a dictionary, are important.
And these days who needs to write. One can use a palm pilot, a
computer, and a printer for everything! I do.
Joylyn
vivrh wrote:
> As far as spelling, my take on it is that if they've "forgotten" itADVERTISEMENT
> then
> it wasn't really learned, more like parroted.
> Good point Dar. It is very true that they probably didnt really ;know;
> and that is why it is so easily forgotten.
> Your kids were 7 and 5 and wrote in beautiful cursive??? Wow.
> Actually my son will be 9 in October and my daughter will be 7 next
> month. I should clarify though that my son had beautiful cursive
> writing and his printing is barely legible now, while my daughter has
> forgotten EVERYTHING! This would even include how to write a 5
> correctly instead it is backwards. I do see them growing in other ways
> but this is such a visible way to back slide that I feel bad that they
> are no longer good at things they were good at before unschooling.
>
> God bless
> Vivian
> Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
> Austin 10/31/93 hospital
> Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
> Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
> Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UC
> And loving wife to Randy since 1999
>
> **If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish
> thing.
> -Anatole France***
>
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Sandra
Yes they do type and email on occasion.They are becoming proficient (sp?) at typing. Given their ages I am sure that it is relative and they will be quite zippy as they use computers more.
I know it is petty and that is why I am asking for reassurance. So thanks...... :-)
God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 hospital
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UC
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
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Yes they do type and email on occasion.They are becoming proficient (sp?) at typing. Given their ages I am sure that it is relative and they will be quite zippy as they use computers more.
I know it is petty and that is why I am asking for reassurance. So thanks...... :-)
God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 hospital
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UC
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
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In a message dated 7/16/02 12:30:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
joylyn@... writes:
computer and the built in spell checker, my spelling has somehow improved. I
noticed that I misspelled some words over and over. Now that I use the spell
checker, I misspell those words less and, overall, the thing doesn't *ding*
at me as much as it used too! Another benefit of the computer, email, groups
et all, is that I type so much faster now. I don't use the hunt and peck
method anymore and have improved so much that I don't even look at my hands
while typing. (except for the b and v keys! @@ I mix those up all the time!)
~Nancy
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joylyn@... writes:
> The ability to spell is overrated. However the ability to use spellAnd from a horrid speller... I have found that since I started using the
> check, or a dictionary, are important.
>
> And these days who needs to write. One can use a palm pilot, a
> computer, and a printer for everything! I do.
>
> Joylyn
computer and the built in spell checker, my spelling has somehow improved. I
noticed that I misspelled some words over and over. Now that I use the spell
checker, I misspell those words less and, overall, the thing doesn't *ding*
at me as much as it used too! Another benefit of the computer, email, groups
et all, is that I type so much faster now. I don't use the hunt and peck
method anymore and have improved so much that I don't even look at my hands
while typing. (except for the b and v keys! @@ I mix those up all the time!)
~Nancy
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In a message dated 7/16/02 12:32:46 AM Central Daylight Time, vivrh@...
writes:
to share? <bg>
~Nancy
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writes:
> Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UCThis is in your signature line, and I have been wondering what it means? Care
to share? <bg>
~Nancy
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Fetteroll
on 7/15/02 8:17 PM, vivrh at vivrh@... wrote:
improved then went back to where it was. Obviously it was just a hoop she
was jumping through, not something she needed for herself.
My husband just taught a class for 11 yo schooled kids. My 11 yo daughter's
handwriting was similar. Better than some, worse than others. (Though she
doesn't do cursive.)
If it's not a race, is there a need to catch up?
What is the reason for legible handwriting? So we can read what we wrote. So
others can read it. If *they* feel it's important for others to read what
they're writing, then they'll write so others can read it. (If they're
leaving you notes about where they are, then it's reasonable to tell them
you need to be able to read the note. That *doesn't* mean they need to
"improve their handwriting". It just means the note has a purpose and
writing legibly serves that purpose.)
Otherwise, if they're writing for their own pleasure, the important part
*for them* is getting the thoughts down on paper. It's *their* project
satisfying whatever internal needs *they* have. If they show it to you, it's
not really an important part of the process so if you can't read it or
understand it, it doesn't matter. That wasn't the purpose. Though
*certainly* ask questions about what you don't understand so they can
explain it. Work on understanding the idea rather than understanding the
presentation.
Maybe look at what they put down on paper as a window that let's you peek
inside their heads. If you focus on how poorly you can see through the
window, it's likely they'll just close the window so they don't have to be
distracted by what is just a side effect of having ideas.
Anyone can go through the mechanics of making something *look* nice. One of
the great successes of schools is getting kids to present other people's
ideas in a nice package to make it look like learning is taking place.
Real original thinking is chaotic and messy. It doesn't test well. It
doesn't look nice. So it doesn't fit well with the factory model of
education.
But it's the ideas that are the hard part. Don't worry about the
presentation. They don't need to present anything yet. What they need
practice at are having ideas.
Joyce
> Did it bother anyone else the way it bothersMy daughter went to school for 2 months of 2nd grade and her hand writing
> me that their once beautiful cursive is now block printing that is barely
> legible?
improved then went back to where it was. Obviously it was just a hoop she
was jumping through, not something she needed for herself.
My husband just taught a class for 11 yo schooled kids. My 11 yo daughter's
handwriting was similar. Better than some, worse than others. (Though she
doesn't do cursive.)
> Please reassure me that theyThey'll write the way that is most useful and meaningful to them.
> will catch up to where they were and beyond! Thanks
If it's not a race, is there a need to catch up?
What is the reason for legible handwriting? So we can read what we wrote. So
others can read it. If *they* feel it's important for others to read what
they're writing, then they'll write so others can read it. (If they're
leaving you notes about where they are, then it's reasonable to tell them
you need to be able to read the note. That *doesn't* mean they need to
"improve their handwriting". It just means the note has a purpose and
writing legibly serves that purpose.)
Otherwise, if they're writing for their own pleasure, the important part
*for them* is getting the thoughts down on paper. It's *their* project
satisfying whatever internal needs *they* have. If they show it to you, it's
not really an important part of the process so if you can't read it or
understand it, it doesn't matter. That wasn't the purpose. Though
*certainly* ask questions about what you don't understand so they can
explain it. Work on understanding the idea rather than understanding the
presentation.
Maybe look at what they put down on paper as a window that let's you peek
inside their heads. If you focus on how poorly you can see through the
window, it's likely they'll just close the window so they don't have to be
distracted by what is just a side effect of having ideas.
Anyone can go through the mechanics of making something *look* nice. One of
the great successes of schools is getting kids to present other people's
ideas in a nice package to make it look like learning is taking place.
Real original thinking is chaotic and messy. It doesn't test well. It
doesn't look nice. So it doesn't fit well with the factory model of
education.
But it's the ideas that are the hard part. Don't worry about the
presentation. They don't need to present anything yet. What they need
practice at are having ideas.
Joyce
Mary Muday
Could someone explain to me why I receive the same message more than once. Thank you. Supermom, Unschool parent of one high school senior, she and I love it much better than PS. I love this discussion on writing, my husband went thru PS and couldn't spell to well because of hearing loss. I am getting him to use the computer and the spell checker, I think he'll be much happier. Thank you. supermom50mm@...<vivrh@...> wrote: As far as spelling, my take on it is that if they've "forgotten" it then
it wasn't really learned, more like parroted.
Good point Dar. It is very true that they probably didnt really ;know; and that is why it is so easily forgotten.
Your kids were 7 and 5 and wrote in beautiful cursive??? Wow.
Actually my son will be 9 in October and my daughter will be 7 next month. I should clarify though that my son had beautiful cursive writing and his printing is barely legible now, while my daughter has forgotten EVERYTHING! This would even include how to write a 5 correctly instead it is backwards. I do see them growing in other ways but this is such a visible way to back slide that I feel bad that they are no longer good at things they were good at before unschooling.
God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 hospital
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UC
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
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it wasn't really learned, more like parroted.
Good point Dar. It is very true that they probably didnt really ;know; and that is why it is so easily forgotten.
Your kids were 7 and 5 and wrote in beautiful cursive??? Wow.
Actually my son will be 9 in October and my daughter will be 7 next month. I should clarify though that my son had beautiful cursive writing and his printing is barely legible now, while my daughter has forgotten EVERYTHING! This would even include how to write a 5 correctly instead it is backwards. I do see them growing in other ways but this is such a visible way to back slide that I feel bad that they are no longer good at things they were good at before unschooling.
God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 hospital
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UC
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
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In a message dated 7/16/02 5:13:10 AM, fetteroll@... writes:
<< Anyone can go through the mechanics of making something *look* nice. One of
the great successes of schools is getting kids to present other people's
ideas in a nice package to make it look like learning is taking place. >>
OH yes.
There are countless people who "got A's in English" but have never had an
original idea EVER. They're proud and they are rewarded for commenting
blandly on literature, they're rewarded for being still in class, and
cooperative, but when they get out of school they don't know what their
ability to get words on paper in a pretty and well-organized fashion is good
for.
Some of the people on this list have probably done lots of real
writing--local newsletter, church bulletin, letters with real news and ideas
in them, reviews of books or movies, reports on problems for a city council
meeting or a club committee or a letter to a politician summarizing a change
or problem or request.
Some have not, and this list might be the first real writing. And this stuff
here, for all it's being written in pixel-light and binary mystery-code, is
VERY REAL, because it is read while it's fresh, by real people who are
actively seeking input an ideas. And lives are changed--KIDS' LIVES are made
better. And families' lives.
Beats the heck out of most of the other "real writing" examples up above.
Sandra
<< Anyone can go through the mechanics of making something *look* nice. One of
the great successes of schools is getting kids to present other people's
ideas in a nice package to make it look like learning is taking place. >>
OH yes.
There are countless people who "got A's in English" but have never had an
original idea EVER. They're proud and they are rewarded for commenting
blandly on literature, they're rewarded for being still in class, and
cooperative, but when they get out of school they don't know what their
ability to get words on paper in a pretty and well-organized fashion is good
for.
Some of the people on this list have probably done lots of real
writing--local newsletter, church bulletin, letters with real news and ideas
in them, reviews of books or movies, reports on problems for a city council
meeting or a club committee or a letter to a politician summarizing a change
or problem or request.
Some have not, and this list might be the first real writing. And this stuff
here, for all it's being written in pixel-light and binary mystery-code, is
VERY REAL, because it is read while it's fresh, by real people who are
actively seeking input an ideas. And lives are changed--KIDS' LIVES are made
better. And families' lives.
Beats the heck out of most of the other "real writing" examples up above.
Sandra
vivrh
Always happy to explain, I am pregnant again and hoping against hope to have this baby with only my husband present. It is called unassisted childbirth that is where the UC comes from. Whereas my other two girls were born at home with a midwife. The baby is due in March of 03, and that is the 03/03. Hope this helps. :-)
God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 hospital
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UC
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
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God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 hospital
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UC
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
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vivrh
Well said Joyce thanks so much!!!!
God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 hospital
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UC
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 hospital
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UC
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
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From: Fetteroll
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Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] a question and needing some reassurance
on 7/15/02 8:17 PM, vivrh at vivrh@... wrote:
> Did it bother anyone else the way it bothers
> me that their once beautiful cursive is now block printing that is barely
> legible?
My daughter went to school for 2 months of 2nd grade and her hand writing
improved then went back to where it was. Obviously it was just a hoop she
was jumping through, not something she needed for herself.
My husband just taught a class for 11 yo schooled kids. My 11 yo daughter's
handwriting was similar. Better than some, worse than others. (Though she
doesn't do cursive.)
> Please reassure me that they
> will catch up to where they were and beyond! Thanks
They'll write the way that is most useful and meaningful to them.
If it's not a race, is there a need to catch up?
What is the reason for legible handwriting? So we can read what we wrote. So
others can read it. If *they* feel it's important for others to read what
they're writing, then they'll write so others can read it. (If they're
leaving you notes about where they are, then it's reasonable to tell them
you need to be able to read the note. That *doesn't* mean they need to
"improve their handwriting". It just means the note has a purpose and
writing legibly serves that purpose.)
Otherwise, if they're writing for their own pleasure, the important part
*for them* is getting the thoughts down on paper. It's *their* project
satisfying whatever internal needs *they* have. If they show it to you, it's
not really an important part of the process so if you can't read it or
understand it, it doesn't matter. That wasn't the purpose. Though
*certainly* ask questions about what you don't understand so they can
explain it. Work on understanding the idea rather than understanding the
presentation.
Maybe look at what they put down on paper as a window that let's you peek
inside their heads. If you focus on how poorly you can see through the
window, it's likely they'll just close the window so they don't have to be
distracted by what is just a side effect of having ideas.
Anyone can go through the mechanics of making something *look* nice. One of
the great successes of schools is getting kids to present other people's
ideas in a nice package to make it look like learning is taking place.
Real original thinking is chaotic and messy. It doesn't test well. It
doesn't look nice. So it doesn't fit well with the factory model of
education.
But it's the ideas that are the hard part. Don't worry about the
presentation. They don't need to present anything yet. What they need
practice at are having ideas.
Joyce
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In a message dated 7/16/02 10:51:36 AM Central Daylight Time, vivrh@...
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~Nancy
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> Always happy to explain, I am pregnant again and hoping against hope to haveCongratulations Vivian, Keep us posted!
> this baby with only my husband present. It is called unassisted childbirth
> that is where the UC comes from. Whereas my other two girls were born at
> home with a midwife. The baby is due in March of 03, and that is the 03/03.
> Hope this helps. :-)
> God bless
> Vivian
~Nancy
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Tia Leschke
>One ofAnother Keeper!
>the great successes of schools is getting kids to present other people's
>ideas in a nice package to make it look like learning is taking place.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
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Tia Leschke
>Always happy to explain, I am pregnant again and hoping against hope toI thought that might be what it was. I've also heard it called
>have this baby with only my husband present. It is called unassisted
>childbirth that is where the UC comes from. Whereas my other two girls
>were born at home with a midwife. The baby is due in March of 03, and that
>is the 03/03. Hope this helps. :-)
unabirth. My daughter has a midwife but has just about decided not to call
her for the birth. (She's due August 3.) It makes me nervous, which is
ironic since we had *her* unassisted. <g> She hasn't decided yet whether
she wants me there or not. I've told her I'm quite happy to stay way in
the background, but that she might need help with the other kids at some
point. They're 7 and almost 2.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
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vivrh
that is too cool Tia. Thanks for sharing that.
God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 hospital
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UC
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
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God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93 hospital
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 3/3 hoping to UC
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
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Gina Loree Marks
Why is it "hoping against hope?"
(And much luck to you...)
Gina
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(And much luck to you...)
Gina
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> Always happy to explain, I am pregnant again and__________________________________________________
> hoping against hope to have this baby with only my
> husband present.
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Tia Leschke
>that is too cool Tia. Thanks for sharing that.I'll try to remember to post the outcome.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
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vivrh
I have some personal fears to sift through. And add that to Dads own fear we are still feeling out the possibility of having a support person there or not. So for now we are technically undecided but my hope is for the birth without attendees.
God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 03/03 planning to uc
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
God bless
Vivian
Unschooling Mom to three Happy little Monkeys
Austin 10/31/93
Sarah 8/28/95 homebirth
Emmalee 8/15/00 homebirth
Apple Seed 03/03 planning to uc
And loving wife to Randy since 1999
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Anatole France***
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Why is it "hoping against hope?"
(And much luck to you...)
Gina
--- vivrh <vivrh@...> wrote:
> Always happy to explain, I am pregnant again and
> hoping against hope to have this baby with only my
> husband present.
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you r sooo brave. i spent the last 3 months of my pregancy in the hospital!!
good luck and congrats!!
tina
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good luck and congrats!!
tina
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Bill and Diane
My writing is lovely, but decorative. If I'm writing to communicate, I print. If I'm mostly writing to fill up space or time (as I
sometimes feel the need to do at work), I write in slow, beautiful cursive.
I suspect your kids will end up with attitudes toward writing much like most adults have. Some like writing beautifully, and some write
only as needed.
:-) Diane
sometimes feel the need to do at work), I write in slow, beautiful cursive.
I suspect your kids will end up with attitudes toward writing much like most adults have. Some like writing beautifully, and some write
only as needed.
:-) Diane
Gina Loree Marks
Oh, I understand!! I had 3 of my 4 at home (the last
one in water)...and I always wondered if I would have
been ok without all the extra people. (I think my
hubby would have been worse than me!!)
Peace,Gina
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one in water)...and I always wondered if I would have
been ok without all the extra people. (I think my
hubby would have been worse than me!!)
Peace,Gina
--- vivrh <vivrh@...> wrote:
> I have some personal fears to sift through. And add__________________________________________________
> that to Dads own fear we are still feeling out the
> possibility of having a support person there or not.
> So for now we are technically undecided but my hope
> is for the birth without attendees.
> God bless
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>>I should clarify though that my son had beautiful cursive writing and hisMy daughter Casey is 8 and still reverses letters and numbers at times. She
>>printing is barely legible now, while my daughter has forgotten
>>EVERYTHING! This would even include how to write a 5 correctly instead it
>>is backwards.>>
is a BIG writer too. She writes everyday, in all matters and forms-stories,
lists, letters, poetry, journal entries, observations, whatever. My point
is, she gets lots of practice, she reads a lot and sees which way the
letters go and yet still reverses them sometimes. IT'S OKAY! She's doing it
less and less and I only correct her if she asks. She's figuring it out on
her own and loving every minute of it.
I also have a 13 year old who is a non-writer SO FAR. He just hasn't felt a
real need yet to get his thoughts on paper. He can perform the mechanics of
writing, but has no real need to write quickly, neatly or with any meaning.
I'm confident that he will though. He has always been on his own schedule of
learning and this will be no exception. When he needs it, he will learn.
Life is good.
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My daughter Casey is 8 and still reverses letters and numbers at times. She
is a BIG writer too. She writes everyday, in all matters and forms-stories,
lists, letters, poetry, journal entries, observations, whatever. My point
is, she gets lots of practice, she reads a lot and sees which way the
letters go and yet still reverses them sometimes. IT'S OKAY! She's doing it
less and less and I only correct her if she asks. She's figuring it out on
her own and loving every minute of it.
I had to copy this part of your post and forward it on to my dh. My daughter is also 8 and does the same thing. It has been an issue with comments from my mil - and even dh. whenever she shows them something she has done they say "this is nice - but how come your J's are backward?" It drives me crazy. I find that sort of statement must be discouraging to her. She reads very, very well - and people - including dh seem to think that then she should write as well and realize that some of her letters are backward. Well, she does - but at this point doesn't seem too concerned about it.
In any case, it was nice to read about someone else who does the same thing!
Heather
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is a BIG writer too. She writes everyday, in all matters and forms-stories,
lists, letters, poetry, journal entries, observations, whatever. My point
is, she gets lots of practice, she reads a lot and sees which way the
letters go and yet still reverses them sometimes. IT'S OKAY! She's doing it
less and less and I only correct her if she asks. She's figuring it out on
her own and loving every minute of it.
I had to copy this part of your post and forward it on to my dh. My daughter is also 8 and does the same thing. It has been an issue with comments from my mil - and even dh. whenever she shows them something she has done they say "this is nice - but how come your J's are backward?" It drives me crazy. I find that sort of statement must be discouraging to her. She reads very, very well - and people - including dh seem to think that then she should write as well and realize that some of her letters are backward. Well, she does - but at this point doesn't seem too concerned about it.
In any case, it was nice to read about someone else who does the same thing!
Heather
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