artificial feeding (kind gross, feel free to skip it)
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In a message dated 7/1/02 9:34:36 PM, Dnowens@... writes:
<< I had no idea! I knew about wet nurses, and always thought at least it was
breast milk. >>
With wetnurses it was. When they could walk they came home (if they had been
put out).
<<My Grandma told me she used to make a formula out of condensed milk, water,
corn syrup and some other things. But I guess I assumed actual bottle
feedings from formula wasn't around pre twentieth century.>>
My sister got a pamphlet from a doctor in the 1980's, talking about formula.
It had a little recipe, with amounts in cc's (to seem scientific, I guess),
and it had the ingredients, condensed milk, water and carbohydrate. There
was a little footnote, and in small print it said "table sugar."
She balked at him giving that to her (she was nursing her babies) and he said
"Oh. Those are old. We shouldn't be giving them out anymore." They WERE
old, like early 60's. But he WAS giving them out for babies born in the
mid-'80's.
There's a photo of a little wooden cradle (17th c?) with a cow's horn mounted
on the side and they used pigs' teats cut off and wrapped on there. I have
read that there is a display of some of this historical equipment at the
medical school at UNM, right here in town, but I haven't been there. And I
read that in the 80's, too, when I was being activist about baby-stuff, and I
don't know if the proprietor of it is still teaching there or what, or if the
university owned it.
There was baby feeding equipment in some greek shipwreck inventory, I think,
from a couple of thousand years ago.
Professionally manufactured and pushed-hard formula is more recent, but using
cow's milk is old. And the "formula" has only lately even made a not toward
acknowledging that maybe they should have tried to make it more like human
milk.
The biggest problem is the don't even know what's IN human milk quite. So
that's another part of history that has TOTALLY ignored instinct and the
rights and needs of children. When they talk about infant mortality the
suggestion leans toward hospitals save lives, equipment saves lives, but they
don't factor in the ignorance that was taking lives which is no longer as
rampant as it was.
I'll look for some online references on this stuff.
Sandra
<< I had no idea! I knew about wet nurses, and always thought at least it was
breast milk. >>
With wetnurses it was. When they could walk they came home (if they had been
put out).
<<My Grandma told me she used to make a formula out of condensed milk, water,
corn syrup and some other things. But I guess I assumed actual bottle
feedings from formula wasn't around pre twentieth century.>>
My sister got a pamphlet from a doctor in the 1980's, talking about formula.
It had a little recipe, with amounts in cc's (to seem scientific, I guess),
and it had the ingredients, condensed milk, water and carbohydrate. There
was a little footnote, and in small print it said "table sugar."
She balked at him giving that to her (she was nursing her babies) and he said
"Oh. Those are old. We shouldn't be giving them out anymore." They WERE
old, like early 60's. But he WAS giving them out for babies born in the
mid-'80's.
There's a photo of a little wooden cradle (17th c?) with a cow's horn mounted
on the side and they used pigs' teats cut off and wrapped on there. I have
read that there is a display of some of this historical equipment at the
medical school at UNM, right here in town, but I haven't been there. And I
read that in the 80's, too, when I was being activist about baby-stuff, and I
don't know if the proprietor of it is still teaching there or what, or if the
university owned it.
There was baby feeding equipment in some greek shipwreck inventory, I think,
from a couple of thousand years ago.
Professionally manufactured and pushed-hard formula is more recent, but using
cow's milk is old. And the "formula" has only lately even made a not toward
acknowledging that maybe they should have tried to make it more like human
milk.
The biggest problem is the don't even know what's IN human milk quite. So
that's another part of history that has TOTALLY ignored instinct and the
rights and needs of children. When they talk about infant mortality the
suggestion leans toward hospitals save lives, equipment saves lives, but they
don't factor in the ignorance that was taking lives which is no longer as
rampant as it was.
I'll look for some online references on this stuff.
Sandra
Tia Leschke
>Even if they did know exactly what's in it right this instant, that
>The biggest problem is the don't even know what's IN human milk quite.
wouldn't be the same as what's in it tomorrow or next week or next year, or
even the difference between the beginning of a feeding and the end. And
then there's the antibodies that start getting in the milk almost as soon
as a virus gets into the mother. There's no way they'll *ever* be able to
duplicate mother's milk.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
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On Vancouver Island
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In a message dated 7/2/02 8:04:14 AM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
things. After putting in Breast feeding, History of bottle feeding, History
of formula and History of Infant feeding, the last got me the most results. I
found that although breastfeeding is historically the most common way to feed
infants, that a wet nurse was second. The ancient Egyptians and kings and
queens of England and France used this practice. They would interview women
looking to see if there were any *craziness* in the family (that could be
passed through the milk you know!) they would have the milk tasted and much
more. The wet nurses weren't always too concerned with their charges since
they had their own to look after as well, so there was a high infant
mortality rate. One countess (16th century) who had 18 children, all of whom
she sent out to be nursed. Only one son lived, and when his wife nursed his
own children and they all lived the countess wrote a pamphlet charging all
women to breastfeed their own children and not send them out. Besides wet
nursing, there have been instances of using an animal for a wet nurse.
Usually when the mother died, and the father was left to raise the child on
his own. A popular "formula" (called pap) in 17th-18th century England and
here in the States was a gruel made of cows milk, crushed walnuts, and either
corn or oatmeal. This was put into a pap feeder that looked like a small boat
with a hollow spoon, the pap was scooped into the spoon and then blown into
the babies mouth. Bottles have been made out of wood, clay, pewter, other
metals, and glass. The wooden ones had cloth or something stuffed into them
and the child would suck on that. The clay ones had a little spout that
babies sucked on.
I was amazed at all the things I read. Although there isn't much on the
subject. What really shocked me was what women still do today!
~Nancy
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> The biggest problem is the don't even know what's IN human milk quite. SoAfter your post on this yesterday, I went and searched. I came up with a few
> that's another part of history that has TOTALLY ignored instinct and the
> rights and needs of children. When they talk about infant mortality the
> suggestion leans toward hospitals save lives, equipment saves lives, but
> they
> don't factor in the ignorance that was taking lives which is no longer as
> rampant as it was.
>
> I'll look for some online references on this stuff.
>
> Sandra
things. After putting in Breast feeding, History of bottle feeding, History
of formula and History of Infant feeding, the last got me the most results. I
found that although breastfeeding is historically the most common way to feed
infants, that a wet nurse was second. The ancient Egyptians and kings and
queens of England and France used this practice. They would interview women
looking to see if there were any *craziness* in the family (that could be
passed through the milk you know!) they would have the milk tasted and much
more. The wet nurses weren't always too concerned with their charges since
they had their own to look after as well, so there was a high infant
mortality rate. One countess (16th century) who had 18 children, all of whom
she sent out to be nursed. Only one son lived, and when his wife nursed his
own children and they all lived the countess wrote a pamphlet charging all
women to breastfeed their own children and not send them out. Besides wet
nursing, there have been instances of using an animal for a wet nurse.
Usually when the mother died, and the father was left to raise the child on
his own. A popular "formula" (called pap) in 17th-18th century England and
here in the States was a gruel made of cows milk, crushed walnuts, and either
corn or oatmeal. This was put into a pap feeder that looked like a small boat
with a hollow spoon, the pap was scooped into the spoon and then blown into
the babies mouth. Bottles have been made out of wood, clay, pewter, other
metals, and glass. The wooden ones had cloth or something stuffed into them
and the child would suck on that. The clay ones had a little spout that
babies sucked on.
I was amazed at all the things I read. Although there isn't much on the
subject. What really shocked me was what women still do today!
~Nancy
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Karen
If you're *really* into this, check out Mother Nature, by Sarah Blaffer Hrdy
(not a typo!) Here's the ridiculously long Amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679442650/qid=1025651477/sr=2-2/ref=
sr_2_2/104-5654116-4869512
I saw it in a bookstore and time just stopped while I read it. I finally put
it down but found it later in our library. It's thought-provoking, has the
potential to make you mad and cry at the same time. She's a primatologist
and approaches this from an evolutionary standpoint. Fascinating stuff.
Karen
(not a typo!) Here's the ridiculously long Amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679442650/qid=1025651477/sr=2-2/ref=
sr_2_2/104-5654116-4869512
I saw it in a bookstore and time just stopped while I read it. I finally put
it down but found it later in our library. It's thought-provoking, has the
potential to make you mad and cry at the same time. She's a primatologist
and approaches this from an evolutionary standpoint. Fascinating stuff.
Karen