For parents of Toddlers/potty training
AprilWells
I have taken a wait and see approach to my son's potty awareness.
I was wonder about everyone's experiences with this and looking for idea's.
Currently here is what I do. I try to let/get him to run around without
his diaper on, we talk at every diaper change about where pee/poop goes.
He has successfully used the potty to pee in both on his initiative and
on our reminding.
he is 3.
I am wondering if he will do it when he is ready just as unschooled kids
learn at their own pace? Or if a more rigorous option is needed.
What has worked for you, what would you do differently?
April
I was wonder about everyone's experiences with this and looking for idea's.
Currently here is what I do. I try to let/get him to run around without
his diaper on, we talk at every diaper change about where pee/poop goes.
He has successfully used the potty to pee in both on his initiative and
on our reminding.
he is 3.
I am wondering if he will do it when he is ready just as unschooled kids
learn at their own pace? Or if a more rigorous option is needed.
What has worked for you, what would you do differently?
April
Heather Woodward
~I am wondering if he will do it when he is ready just as unschooled kids
learn at their own pace? Or if a more rigorous option is needed.~
As far as my potty training experience went - they did it when they were ready. If I tried to force them, it never worked. It just got everyone upset and angry. The summer is the best time to just let them go natural. Supposedly this, allows them to make more of a connection between their bodily functions. Also having the diaper sometimes keeps them a little too dry - and therefore they don't tend to associate going in the potty with being dry. Now, using this method we had lots of accidents! - but most could be cleaned up pretty easily. I would add that my 3 yr. old daughter still uses a pull-up at night. I have tried stopping the drinks at 6 PM etc. but I always felt mean - when they cry for a drink - so that didn't last. A pull-up seems easier than having to change sheets in the middle of the night. My son was about 3 when he was totally potty trained. As much as we tried to get him to go in the potty he just wouldn't. Then all of the sudden we were at a friends pool party - and he decided he wanted to go to the potty. and he pretty much was potty trained from then on - even at night.
In any case, I think that yes, children will just do it when they are ready. Someone once said to me - how many adults do you see still in diapers? (ones without incontenience of course ;)
Heather
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learn at their own pace? Or if a more rigorous option is needed.~
As far as my potty training experience went - they did it when they were ready. If I tried to force them, it never worked. It just got everyone upset and angry. The summer is the best time to just let them go natural. Supposedly this, allows them to make more of a connection between their bodily functions. Also having the diaper sometimes keeps them a little too dry - and therefore they don't tend to associate going in the potty with being dry. Now, using this method we had lots of accidents! - but most could be cleaned up pretty easily. I would add that my 3 yr. old daughter still uses a pull-up at night. I have tried stopping the drinks at 6 PM etc. but I always felt mean - when they cry for a drink - so that didn't last. A pull-up seems easier than having to change sheets in the middle of the night. My son was about 3 when he was totally potty trained. As much as we tried to get him to go in the potty he just wouldn't. Then all of the sudden we were at a friends pool party - and he decided he wanted to go to the potty. and he pretty much was potty trained from then on - even at night.
In any case, I think that yes, children will just do it when they are ready. Someone once said to me - how many adults do you see still in diapers? (ones without incontenience of course ;)
Heather
Heather A. Woodward
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From: AprilWells
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Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] For parents of Toddlers/potty training
I have taken a wait and see approach to my son's potty awareness.
I was wonder about everyone's experiences with this and looking for idea's.
Currently here is what I do. I try to let/get him to run around without
his diaper on, we talk at every diaper change about where pee/poop goes.
He has successfully used the potty to pee in both on his initiative and
on our reminding.
he is 3.
I am wondering if he will do it when he is ready just as unschooled kids
learn at their own pace? Or if a more rigorous option is needed.
What has worked for you, what would you do differently?
April
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Here is what we did.
With our first son, we used only cloth diapers the whole time. I think it
is better because they feel yucky and wet. The disposables wisk away all
the moisture and maybe keep them more comfortable, thus an inscentive not
the potty train. When he started hiding in the corners for a bowl movement,
and asking to have his diaper changed (around 3), we changed to cotton
training underpants. Well.........he was not fully night trained until
after 5 years old. He did fine during the day, but he slept so hard (he is
a sleepwalker) that he simply could not get up during the night. At first,
when the training pants were new to him, when he would pee in them, we made
no big deal about it, but would say how it feels yucky to be wet, and if he
used the toilet it would not feel yucky. We also let him go around with
nothing on from the waist down, so he could see what was happening and use
the toilet easier.
With our other two sons, we used disposable (cloth with three kids was not
realistic for me at the time). Our middle guy at 2 years old said "no more
diaper Mommy". He had already been dry for a good month during the night.
We stopped using diapers, and used the cotton training pants, and he never
had any accidents, so we switched to underwear.
Our youngest, was also potty trained close to two years old, on his own
asking, to be like big brothers and big friends. I think that fact helped a
whole lot.
From my own experience, and from the experience of friends, the more YOU
push, the less they feel like they want to do it. I do highly encourage
those cotton training pants however, not the pullups that they have out.
Less convenient, but less expensive, and I believe a better way to go.
Debbie
With our first son, we used only cloth diapers the whole time. I think it
is better because they feel yucky and wet. The disposables wisk away all
the moisture and maybe keep them more comfortable, thus an inscentive not
the potty train. When he started hiding in the corners for a bowl movement,
and asking to have his diaper changed (around 3), we changed to cotton
training underpants. Well.........he was not fully night trained until
after 5 years old. He did fine during the day, but he slept so hard (he is
a sleepwalker) that he simply could not get up during the night. At first,
when the training pants were new to him, when he would pee in them, we made
no big deal about it, but would say how it feels yucky to be wet, and if he
used the toilet it would not feel yucky. We also let him go around with
nothing on from the waist down, so he could see what was happening and use
the toilet easier.
With our other two sons, we used disposable (cloth with three kids was not
realistic for me at the time). Our middle guy at 2 years old said "no more
diaper Mommy". He had already been dry for a good month during the night.
We stopped using diapers, and used the cotton training pants, and he never
had any accidents, so we switched to underwear.
Our youngest, was also potty trained close to two years old, on his own
asking, to be like big brothers and big friends. I think that fact helped a
whole lot.
From my own experience, and from the experience of friends, the more YOU
push, the less they feel like they want to do it. I do highly encourage
those cotton training pants however, not the pullups that they have out.
Less convenient, but less expensive, and I believe a better way to go.
Debbie
Tia Leschke
> I would add that my 3 yr. old daughter still uses a pull-up at night. IKeep in mind that dry during the day and dry during the night are two
> have tried stopping the drinks at 6 PM etc. but I always felt mean - when
> they cry for a drink - so that didn't last. A pull-up seems easier than
> having to change sheets in the middle of the night.
completely different animals. My kids were all reliably using the toilet
around age 3. My daughter still had some accidents at night until she was
6. My boys were both wet almost every night until they were into their
early teens. I was almost 12.
There's nothing you can do about it. I tried restricting fluids, night
waking, even medication with the older one. If they are deep sleepers,
they aren't going to wake up at night. Somewhere along the way, their
sleep becomes a little less deep, and they start waking up.
Tia
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Amy Thomlinson
My first son at age of 28 months told me he was a big
boy and he didn't wear diapers and he never had an
accident until public school. The second one I
introduced a potty chair (which he picked out) for
his 2nd birthday the potty chair was only used a
couple of times. Finally at his 3rd birthday we made
an agreement that if he wouldn't wet his pants he
didn't have to wear a diaper and he got to pee on the
tree of his choice in our back yard. I bought
several boys swimsuits because it is easier to pull
up and down just one thing than shorts and underwear
both. He used the tree to pee when we were home and
peed his pants any other time and always just did #2
in his pants. Now he is almost four and I realized
sometime over the winter he decided the toilet was
better then exposing himself out in the cold and he
never has accidents. I suppose he just was ready
finally. From what I have heard from other people
the more you try to force kids to toilet train the
more resistance you get from them. Anytime you can
let him use cloth training pants or underwear that
way he gets the icky feeling of getting and staying
wet until he takes his underwear off. Otherwise you
probably should just let him figure it out.
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boy and he didn't wear diapers and he never had an
accident until public school. The second one I
introduced a potty chair (which he picked out) for
his 2nd birthday the potty chair was only used a
couple of times. Finally at his 3rd birthday we made
an agreement that if he wouldn't wet his pants he
didn't have to wear a diaper and he got to pee on the
tree of his choice in our back yard. I bought
several boys swimsuits because it is easier to pull
up and down just one thing than shorts and underwear
both. He used the tree to pee when we were home and
peed his pants any other time and always just did #2
in his pants. Now he is almost four and I realized
sometime over the winter he decided the toilet was
better then exposing himself out in the cold and he
never has accidents. I suppose he just was ready
finally. From what I have heard from other people
the more you try to force kids to toilet train the
more resistance you get from them. Anytime you can
let him use cloth training pants or underwear that
way he gets the icky feeling of getting and staying
wet until he takes his underwear off. Otherwise you
probably should just let him figure it out.
--- AprilWells <dawnwells@...> wrote:
> I have taken a wait and see approach to my son's__________________________________________________
> potty awareness.
>
> I was wonder about everyone's experiences with this
> and looking for idea's.
>
> Currently here is what I do. I try to let/get him
> to run around without
> his diaper on, we talk at every diaper change about
> where pee/poop goes.
> He has successfully used the potty to pee in both
> on his initiative and
> on our reminding.
>
> he is 3.
>
> I am wondering if he will do it when he is ready
> just as unschooled kids
> learn at their own pace? Or if a more rigorous
> option is needed.
>
>
>
> What has worked for you, what would you do
> differently?
>
> April
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Stephanie Elms
Coming out of lurkdom for this one! One of the main reasons that unschooling appeals to me is that I have seen how my son does things better and easier on his own time. Potty training was one of those things. We got the potty seat at 2. Just talked about it a bit and then left it there. Jason showed no interest. Sometime around 3 I started talking to him about using the toilet, being aware of the signs. Somewhere around 3.5 I started panicking wondering if he really would do it on his own. I thought that he was ready (he would ask me to use the bathroom at the pool but never at home). I convinced him to wear training pants (cotton) one day. He had 3 accidents within a couple of hours that morning...the funny thing is that he never goes to the bathroom that much that early normally. I took that to mean "back off mom"! LOL! I backed off, just kept talking about when he was ready he would do it. Just occasionally. Kept looking for what would motivate him. Then his best friend potty trained and started talking about his batman underwear. Jason said that it sounded cool (I had mentioned getting underwear to him before, but he had never shown any interest). We went shopping and bought batman, thomas the tank, bugs bunny, taz you name it. We put them on when we got home. He had one accident outside in the garden the next day and that was it. He was trained literally overnight (poop and pee). I kept him in pull-ups at night, but after a few weeks, I realized that I was not even checking to see if he was wet in the morning. Started checking and found out that he was dry and we were night time trained. Had 3 night time accidents that is it.
He was ready and he did it. Luckily I actually felt (and feel!) that diapers were easier, so I was willing to wait. The hardest part was dealing with people who kept telling me that he would never do it on his own, that I would have to "make" him. The funny thing is, these same moms (whose kids were actively trained by or before 3) were still having poop issues at 4.5 (one still got a "poopy" prize for pooping on the toilet and the other was into major control issues and refusing to poop on the toilet). Going to the bathroom is not an issue here...never has been. I never sat and read stories. We never watched toilet training kid videos. I never made Jason try to go before we went out...if he said he did not have to go, he didn't. We never had to reward him for going. It really was incredibly easy. And as far as I can tell, he is not behind in any way because he was "late" to train LOL!
Now Kyle, my 2 yo is already asking to use the toilet occasionally and actually pooped in it the other day LOL! But he has the motivation of seeing his big brother use it and wanting to be like him. I actually found myself trying to convince him that he did not want to use the toilet the other day...now I have to worry that Kyle will want to wear underwear before he is really ready. But that seems to be the story of my life...trying to convince my 5 yo that he can brush his own teeth while explaining to my 2 yo that mommy still needs to do his.
Seeing how Jason really does have his own timetable for doing things (potty training, getting himself dressed, talking, writing his name you name it) has really led me to unschooling. He has time and time again shown me that if I let him take the lead, he will do and learn what he needs to. And if I try to impose my schedule on him, I will run into a brick wall.... now if I can just remember that...
Good luck. It will happen. :o)
Stephanie
He was ready and he did it. Luckily I actually felt (and feel!) that diapers were easier, so I was willing to wait. The hardest part was dealing with people who kept telling me that he would never do it on his own, that I would have to "make" him. The funny thing is, these same moms (whose kids were actively trained by or before 3) were still having poop issues at 4.5 (one still got a "poopy" prize for pooping on the toilet and the other was into major control issues and refusing to poop on the toilet). Going to the bathroom is not an issue here...never has been. I never sat and read stories. We never watched toilet training kid videos. I never made Jason try to go before we went out...if he said he did not have to go, he didn't. We never had to reward him for going. It really was incredibly easy. And as far as I can tell, he is not behind in any way because he was "late" to train LOL!
Now Kyle, my 2 yo is already asking to use the toilet occasionally and actually pooped in it the other day LOL! But he has the motivation of seeing his big brother use it and wanting to be like him. I actually found myself trying to convince him that he did not want to use the toilet the other day...now I have to worry that Kyle will want to wear underwear before he is really ready. But that seems to be the story of my life...trying to convince my 5 yo that he can brush his own teeth while explaining to my 2 yo that mommy still needs to do his.
Seeing how Jason really does have his own timetable for doing things (potty training, getting himself dressed, talking, writing his name you name it) has really led me to unschooling. He has time and time again shown me that if I let him take the lead, he will do and learn what he needs to. And if I try to impose my schedule on him, I will run into a brick wall.... now if I can just remember that...
Good luck. It will happen. :o)
Stephanie
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In a message dated 6/19/02 2:54:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
dawnwells@... writes:
worked on it and even though everyone said that boys are harder to potty
train than girls, you will never convince me of that! Then he got sick and
had to have his appendix out that August. We spent 18 days in the hospital
and they put him in diapers since he couldn't get out of bed for a while. I
thought when we came home it was going to be so hard to get him out of
diapers, but it wasn't. He went right back to using the potty by himself.
Before the hospital, he was still not accident free at night, but when we
came home, he had really changed. People picking and poking at him really
bothered him. (understandably) He told his dad that no one was going to be
bugging him about the potty any more and he wouldn't have any more accidents
at night, because he didn't want to be touched! I felt so bad for my little
guy, it was so hard for him. But on the upside, he was so determined, he
didn't have any more accidents.
OTOH with his older sister, I had all sorts of pressure from people like my
MIL who swore all her kids were potty trained by the age of 18 months, that I
worked constantly with Moly and the result was a child who resisted using the
potty for two years. She finally did it on her own at 3 1/2 almost 4. But
still had accidents at night until she was almost 7. I learned later from
Darin's older sister that all the kids in the family might have been potty
trained at 18 months, BUT had continuos accidents until 7 or 8 and one of
Darin's older brothers had night accidents up into his teens!
I will never (if I ever have any more kids) push the potty!!! My best friend
had great success with draining her toilet, drying it with a towel and
painting a bulls eye in red fingernail polish at the back of it. Her little
boy loved "aiming" at the target! Jack liked it too, when we went over. They
thought it was really cool. ;o)
Good Luck!
~Nancy
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dawnwells@... writes:
> Currently here is what I do. I try to let/get him to run around withoutA wait and see approach is a great approach! ;o) The summer Jack turned 3 we
> his diaper on, we talk at every diaper change about where pee/poop goes.
> He has successfully used the potty to pee in both on his initiative and
> on our reminding.
>
> he is 3.
>
> I am wondering if he will do it when he is ready just as unschooled kids
> learn at their own pace? Or if a more rigorous option is needed.
>
>
>
> What has worked for you, what would you do differently?
>
> April
>
worked on it and even though everyone said that boys are harder to potty
train than girls, you will never convince me of that! Then he got sick and
had to have his appendix out that August. We spent 18 days in the hospital
and they put him in diapers since he couldn't get out of bed for a while. I
thought when we came home it was going to be so hard to get him out of
diapers, but it wasn't. He went right back to using the potty by himself.
Before the hospital, he was still not accident free at night, but when we
came home, he had really changed. People picking and poking at him really
bothered him. (understandably) He told his dad that no one was going to be
bugging him about the potty any more and he wouldn't have any more accidents
at night, because he didn't want to be touched! I felt so bad for my little
guy, it was so hard for him. But on the upside, he was so determined, he
didn't have any more accidents.
OTOH with his older sister, I had all sorts of pressure from people like my
MIL who swore all her kids were potty trained by the age of 18 months, that I
worked constantly with Moly and the result was a child who resisted using the
potty for two years. She finally did it on her own at 3 1/2 almost 4. But
still had accidents at night until she was almost 7. I learned later from
Darin's older sister that all the kids in the family might have been potty
trained at 18 months, BUT had continuos accidents until 7 or 8 and one of
Darin's older brothers had night accidents up into his teens!
I will never (if I ever have any more kids) push the potty!!! My best friend
had great success with draining her toilet, drying it with a towel and
painting a bulls eye in red fingernail polish at the back of it. Her little
boy loved "aiming" at the target! Jack liked it too, when we went over. They
thought it was really cool. ;o)
Good Luck!
~Nancy
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Beth Ali
About 4 months ago I finally had had it, when I had to clean one more disgusting diarreha diaper that he had been in for over an hour without telling me he needed a change. So disgusted and frustrated withe the rashes I told him that that was it. No more diapers. As of the following morning Shawn was in regular underwear-not training pants- and has had 3 night accidents and probably 3 wet and 3 poop accidents in these last 4 months.
I think so much of it has to do with KNOWING your child. Apparently he was ready--which is good because I was sooooo ready. He was 3.5 yrs old when I finally put my foot down. My daughter who is now 14 months old, regularly goes to the toilet to sit on and usually pees at least once a day on it (will go to sit perhaps 3-5 times). This is purely her own initiative. We have not done potty chairs, only the inserts.
Beth Ali
I think so much of it has to do with KNOWING your child. Apparently he was ready--which is good because I was sooooo ready. He was 3.5 yrs old when I finally put my foot down. My daughter who is now 14 months old, regularly goes to the toilet to sit on and usually pees at least once a day on it (will go to sit perhaps 3-5 times). This is purely her own initiative. We have not done potty chairs, only the inserts.
Beth Ali
----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Thomlinson
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] For parents of Toddlers/potty training
My first son at age of 28 months told me he was a big
boy and he didn't wear diapers and he never had an
accident until public school. The second one I
introduced a potty chair (which he picked out) for
his 2nd birthday the potty chair was only used a
couple of times. Finally at his 3rd birthday we made
an agreement that if he wouldn't wet his pants he
didn't have to wear a diaper and he got to pee on the
tree of his choice in our back yard. I bought
several boys swimsuits because it is easier to pull
up and down just one thing than shorts and underwear
both. He used the tree to pee when we were home and
peed his pants any other time and always just did #2
in his pants. Now he is almost four and I realized
sometime over the winter he decided the toilet was
better then exposing himself out in the cold and he
never has accidents. I suppose he just was ready
finally. From what I have heard from other people
the more you try to force kids to toilet train the
more resistance you get from them. Anytime you can
let him use cloth training pants or underwear that
way he gets the icky feeling of getting and staying
wet until he takes his underwear off. Otherwise you
probably should just let him figure it out.
--- AprilWells <dawnwells@...> wrote:
> I have taken a wait and see approach to my son's
> potty awareness.
>
> I was wonder about everyone's experiences with this
> and looking for idea's.
>
> Currently here is what I do. I try to let/get him
> to run around without
> his diaper on, we talk at every diaper change about
> where pee/poop goes.
> He has successfully used the potty to pee in both
> on his initiative and
> on our reminding.
>
> he is 3.
>
> I am wondering if he will do it when he is ready
> just as unschooled kids
> learn at their own pace? Or if a more rigorous
> option is needed.
>
>
>
> What has worked for you, what would you do
> differently?
>
> April
>
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AprilWells
I was a year ago this next month that Davy had surgery. He had an
undescended testicle, and is at risk even after the surgery to have
testicular cancer when he is older. We had the surgery done because
after the age of two, the testes that aren't descended are damaged be
the body heat. We wanted him to have a better chance at fertility when
he was older.
Some of the things we regret about the surgery:
They retracted his foreskin without our permission
He screamed every time we tried to take off his clothes or change his
diaper for a couple of months after the surgery
He had showed a little interest in the potty chair before, but after he
won't even touch himself. Just now getting to where he jokes about it
being an Elephant... lol
April
Dnowens@... wrote:
undescended testicle, and is at risk even after the surgery to have
testicular cancer when he is older. We had the surgery done because
after the age of two, the testes that aren't descended are damaged be
the body heat. We wanted him to have a better chance at fertility when
he was older.
Some of the things we regret about the surgery:
They retracted his foreskin without our permission
He screamed every time we tried to take off his clothes or change his
diaper for a couple of months after the surgery
He had showed a little interest in the potty chair before, but after he
won't even touch himself. Just now getting to where he jokes about it
being an Elephant... lol
April
Dnowens@... wrote:
> Then he got sick and
> had to have his appendix out that August. We spent 18 days in the
> hospital
> and they put him in diapers since he couldn't get out of bed for a while.
Shelly G
--- AprilWells <dawnwells@...> wrote:
With our oldest (who's now almost 13), we took a real
hands-off approach to potty training. When he was
about 18 months old, I put a potty chair in each of
the bathrooms. I bought potty chairs that looked like
"little toilets", because in my mind, it would make
more sense to the little guy, but I don't really know
if that made a difference or not.
Then I just left them there. Nothing else. He saw
others using the big toilet, and eventually wanted to
do the same. He was potty trained by the time he was 2
years, 3 months (except night time, which came quite a
bit later.)
Now, this is just my experience with one, and our
younger son, Will, is now 20 months old, so we've
placed the potties again! We'll see if it works for
him, too. Already I've seen him mimic
standing-and-peeing while standing in front of the
toilet, so I'm hopeful!
It was just really important to me for it NOT to be a
cause of strife or stress, but a natural progression,
so we were/are very casual about it.
I'm not sure if that's helpful to you, since your
child's 3 right now, but I do believe they'll catch on
eventually. I've seen among friends of ours that
around 3, "peer pressure" can kick in. When all their
friends use the potty and they're still in diapers,
that seems to be good motivation for some kids!
Good luck!
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> I have taken a wait and see approach to my son'sApril,
> potty awareness.
With our oldest (who's now almost 13), we took a real
hands-off approach to potty training. When he was
about 18 months old, I put a potty chair in each of
the bathrooms. I bought potty chairs that looked like
"little toilets", because in my mind, it would make
more sense to the little guy, but I don't really know
if that made a difference or not.
Then I just left them there. Nothing else. He saw
others using the big toilet, and eventually wanted to
do the same. He was potty trained by the time he was 2
years, 3 months (except night time, which came quite a
bit later.)
Now, this is just my experience with one, and our
younger son, Will, is now 20 months old, so we've
placed the potties again! We'll see if it works for
him, too. Already I've seen him mimic
standing-and-peeing while standing in front of the
toilet, so I'm hopeful!
It was just really important to me for it NOT to be a
cause of strife or stress, but a natural progression,
so we were/are very casual about it.
I'm not sure if that's helpful to you, since your
child's 3 right now, but I do believe they'll catch on
eventually. I've seen among friends of ours that
around 3, "peer pressure" can kick in. When all their
friends use the potty and they're still in diapers,
that seems to be good motivation for some kids!
Good luck!
Shelly
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> I have taken a wait and see approach to my son's potty awareness.idea's.
>
> I was wonder about everyone's experiences with this and looking for
>Actually, this thread has been a good one for our family because we were
> Currently here is what I do. I try to let/get him to run around without
> his diaper on, we talk at every diaper change about where pee/poop goes.
> He has successfully used the potty to pee in both on his initiative and
> on our reminding.
>
> he is 3.
>
> I am wondering if he will do it when he is ready just as unschooled kids
> learn at their own pace? Or if a more rigorous option is needed.>
> What has worked for you, what would you do differently?
>
> April
>
beginning to wonder if our son had problems. He is 3 and a half and hasn't
worn a nappy during the day since about 2 1/2 but still wears one at
nighttime - this is no big deal as he still breastfeeds at night. However he
refuses to go to the toilet or potty. He wees and poos in the corners of the
room or he goes outside to do it. We have tried not to make a big deal out
of it but say something like - maybe next time you can go to the toilet. He
refuses to and if we ask whether there are any reasons he just says no I
just don't want to. We were wondering ourselves if may be we should be doing
something else or just wait till when he is ready.
Sue
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Someday he will use the toilet. Have you tried having
a childs toilet in another room beside the toilet
room. I know one family that kept a childs toilet in
the kitchen because the child didn't like the
bathroom. Maybe there is something like that going
on but I am certain your son is fine and will just
decide that he wants to use the toilet someday.
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a childs toilet in another room beside the toilet
room. I know one family that kept a childs toilet in
the kitchen because the child didn't like the
bathroom. Maybe there is something like that going
on but I am certain your son is fine and will just
decide that he wants to use the toilet someday.
--- Sue <werapfamily@...> wrote:
> > I have taken a wait and see approach to my son's__________________________________________________
> potty awareness.
> >
> > I was wonder about everyone's experiences with
> this and looking for
> idea's.
> >
> > Currently here is what I do. I try to let/get him
> to run around without
> > his diaper on, we talk at every diaper change
> about where pee/poop goes.
> > He has successfully used the potty to pee in both
> on his initiative and
> > on our reminding.
> >
> > he is 3.
> >
> > I am wondering if he will do it when he is ready
> just as unschooled kids
> > learn at their own pace? Or if a more rigorous
> option is needed.>
> > What has worked for you, what would you do
> differently?
> >
> > April
> >
> Actually, this thread has been a good one for our
> family because we were
> beginning to wonder if our son had problems. He is 3
> and a half and hasn't
> worn a nappy during the day since about 2 1/2 but
> still wears one at
> nighttime - this is no big deal as he still
> breastfeeds at night. However he
> refuses to go to the toilet or potty. He wees and
> poos in the corners of the
> room or he goes outside to do it. We have tried not
> to make a big deal out
> of it but say something like - maybe next time you
> can go to the toilet. He
> refuses to and if we ask whether there are any
> reasons he just says no I
> just don't want to. We were wondering ourselves if
> may be we should be doing
> something else or just wait till when he is ready.
>
> Sue
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> Someday he will use the toilet. Have you tried havingThanks for your reply - I suppose we just have to be patient - I also didn't
> a childs toilet in another room beside the toilet
> room. I know one family that kept a childs toilet in
> the kitchen because the child didn't like the
> bathroom. Maybe there is something like that going
> on but I am certain your son is fine and will just
> decide that he wants to use the toilet someday.
mention how he has this fascination to wee and poo in different containers
and spots - sort of like a dog really - claiming ownership of a spot <LOL>
Amy Thomlinson
Maybe he is just really in touch with nature and
stuff. Maybe he will become a famous anthropologist
or scientist or something someday. But I am certain
if he experiments using different containers and such
that he is just more creative than most small children
in this area. Or maybe he is just a preformance
artist in training.
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stuff. Maybe he will become a famous anthropologist
or scientist or something someday. But I am certain
if he experiments using different containers and such
that he is just more creative than most small children
in this area. Or maybe he is just a preformance
artist in training.
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> > Someday he will use the toilet. Have you tried
> having
> > a childs toilet in another room beside the toilet
> > room. I know one family that kept a childs toilet
> in
> > the kitchen because the child didn't like the
> > bathroom. Maybe there is something like that
> going
> > on but I am certain your son is fine and will
> just
> > decide that he wants to use the toilet someday.
>
> Thanks for your reply - I suppose we just have to be
> patient - I also didn't
> mention how he has this fascination to wee and poo
> in different containers
> and spots - sort of like a dog really - claiming
> ownership of a spot <LOL>
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>Maybe he is just really in touch with nature andMaybe if you offered him a different container each time? <g> At least
>stuff. Maybe he will become a famous anthropologist
>or scientist or something someday. But I am certain
>if he experiments using different containers and such
>that he is just more creative than most small children
>in this area. Or maybe he is just a preformance
>artist in training.
he'd be getting the "variety" he seems to want, and you wouldn't be finding
surprises.
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In a message dated 6/21/02 11:03:18 AM, leschke@... writes:
<< Maybe if you offered him a different container each time? <g> At least
he'd be getting the "variety" he seems to want, and you wouldn't be finding
surprises. >>
Oh that would be SO COOL!!! It might serve to make him just want to use the
potty, too, if you make a list of things you think would be neat for him to
pee in.
"A HAT! You've never done it in a hat before. Here's one!"
"Let's go to garage sales and find some good things to poop in. A coconut
shell! Watermelon rind!"
Or he might really get into the whole project.
A big seashell.
A crystal bowl and then a silver bowl.
I got to puke in a silver punchbowl held by a baroness once. That's artsy.
That's one thing the SCA has done for me. A bunch of us (thousands) were
camping in Pennsylvania once and there was a plague. A third of the people
there got sick, and when I got home I got a call from the Center for Disease
Control, not because I had been sick, but because I was the CEO of the
organization. It was cute, really. They asked for stats and symptoms, and
then asked where the people had gone afterward. It was every province in
Canada, at least 40 states in the U.S., two parts of Australia, England and
Sweden.
Oops.
Oh well!
Sandra
<< Maybe if you offered him a different container each time? <g> At least
he'd be getting the "variety" he seems to want, and you wouldn't be finding
surprises. >>
Oh that would be SO COOL!!! It might serve to make him just want to use the
potty, too, if you make a list of things you think would be neat for him to
pee in.
"A HAT! You've never done it in a hat before. Here's one!"
"Let's go to garage sales and find some good things to poop in. A coconut
shell! Watermelon rind!"
Or he might really get into the whole project.
A big seashell.
A crystal bowl and then a silver bowl.
I got to puke in a silver punchbowl held by a baroness once. That's artsy.
That's one thing the SCA has done for me. A bunch of us (thousands) were
camping in Pennsylvania once and there was a plague. A third of the people
there got sick, and when I got home I got a call from the Center for Disease
Control, not because I had been sick, but because I was the CEO of the
organization. It was cute, really. They asked for stats and symptoms, and
then asked where the people had gone afterward. It was every province in
Canada, at least 40 states in the U.S., two parts of Australia, England and
Sweden.
Oops.
Oh well!
Sandra
Sue
> Maybe he is just really in touch with nature andActually this is a very positive way to view it - Thanks
> stuff. Maybe he will become a famous anthropologist
> or scientist or something someday. But I am certain
> if he experiments using different containers and such
> that he is just more creative than most small children
> in this area. Or maybe he is just a preformance
> artist in training.
>
Sue
Sue
> Maybe if you offered him a different container each time? <g> At leastfinding
> he'd be getting the "variety" he seems to want, and you wouldn't be
> surprises.Actually we have tried to offer him containers - we figure that to a child
> Tia
what is the difference of pooing in a container than into a potty - however
'how dare we tell him where to poo' - does not like to be told where he can
do his business. I know it is our own (myself and my partner) hangups of
what is appropriate or not. I think what concerns me is his real obsession
that he must poo in a certain spot or else he becomes very distressed - and
the fact that a member of the extended family has OCD. My worries I suppose.
Sue
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> << Maybe if you offered him a different container each time? <g> Atleast
> he'd be getting the "variety" he seems to want, and you wouldn't befinding
> surprises. >>the
>
> Oh that would be SO COOL!!! It might serve to make him just want to use
> potty, too, if you make a list of things you think would be neat for himto
> pee in.He peed in Dads shoe - who was not impressed at all with him - or with me
>
> "A HAT! You've never done it in a hat before. Here's one!"
>
for laughing.
> "Let's go to garage sales and find some good things to poop in. A coconutThis sounds like a whole lot of fun - well not for the one having to clean
> shell! Watermelon rind!"
>
> Or he might really get into the whole project.
>
> A big seashell.
>
> A crystal bowl and then a silver bowl.
up the mess. Do you think that this would encourage him to ever go to the
toilet??
>artsy.
> I got to puke in a silver punchbowl held by a baroness once. That's
Way to go Sandra.
Sue
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In a message dated 6/22/02 4:43:40 AM, werapfamily@... writes:
<< << Maybe if you offered him a different container each time? <g> >>
<<This sounds like a whole lot of fun - well not for the one having to clean
up the mess. Do you think that this would encourage him to ever go to the
toilet??>>
Well bowls wash easily, and other stuff could be put in plastic bags and into
the trash.
But my thinking about it leading to the toilet was that if it's no longer a
personal, sneaky thing but a spotlighted project, he might prefer the privacy
of a flush toilet in a little room with a door.
It's not a good analogy, but it just popped into my head. What if a kid with
a really sneaky drug-experimentation project going had his mom take an
interest, and photograph and document it all, and interview his friends, and
send Polaroids to grandma of him posed with his paraphernalia, and make a
chart of which drugs he had tried, how many times, and which ones were left
to experiment with. They could use it to teach statistics and graphing and
scientific method!
It is my hypothesis (which I'm willing not to test <g>) that the boy would
lose interest in his hobby pretty quickly, and perhaps even develop an
aversion.
I did test the overload/aversion thing once, in a friendly way, with Marty
who had bugged me for French fries, French fries, FRENCH FRIES! He wanted me
to make them for him, BUY them for him, get him some more. So one afternoon
with a block of time and some money on me, I said "Let's go get fries," and
the two of us went. I said "Let's try all the drive-through places' fries
and see which are best. I thought Blakes. He thought maybe Wendy's. We
went to Sonic (chile cheese fries!), Burger King, Blakes, and I forget where
else (four places, I think, though) before he was saying "No more mom, let's
go home."
It was a long time before he said "fries."
I didn't do it out of hostility or sarcasm, but just as a goofy thing to do.
The effect was such, though, that I would consider the method in future if I
really wanted to get someone OFF of a fixation.
Sandra
<< << Maybe if you offered him a different container each time? <g> >>
<<This sounds like a whole lot of fun - well not for the one having to clean
up the mess. Do you think that this would encourage him to ever go to the
toilet??>>
Well bowls wash easily, and other stuff could be put in plastic bags and into
the trash.
But my thinking about it leading to the toilet was that if it's no longer a
personal, sneaky thing but a spotlighted project, he might prefer the privacy
of a flush toilet in a little room with a door.
It's not a good analogy, but it just popped into my head. What if a kid with
a really sneaky drug-experimentation project going had his mom take an
interest, and photograph and document it all, and interview his friends, and
send Polaroids to grandma of him posed with his paraphernalia, and make a
chart of which drugs he had tried, how many times, and which ones were left
to experiment with. They could use it to teach statistics and graphing and
scientific method!
It is my hypothesis (which I'm willing not to test <g>) that the boy would
lose interest in his hobby pretty quickly, and perhaps even develop an
aversion.
I did test the overload/aversion thing once, in a friendly way, with Marty
who had bugged me for French fries, French fries, FRENCH FRIES! He wanted me
to make them for him, BUY them for him, get him some more. So one afternoon
with a block of time and some money on me, I said "Let's go get fries," and
the two of us went. I said "Let's try all the drive-through places' fries
and see which are best. I thought Blakes. He thought maybe Wendy's. We
went to Sonic (chile cheese fries!), Burger King, Blakes, and I forget where
else (four places, I think, though) before he was saying "No more mom, let's
go home."
It was a long time before he said "fries."
I didn't do it out of hostility or sarcasm, but just as a goofy thing to do.
The effect was such, though, that I would consider the method in future if I
really wanted to get someone OFF of a fixation.
Sandra