grown unschoolers
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In a message dated 5/30/02 12:11:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I know we're all unschoolers. What I mean is, does anyone have
children (or have you?) that have grown up in an unschooling
situation? Or is unschooling too new for that? >>
I understood what you meant!
Helen (the owner of this list and HEM mag) was unschooled for a large part of
her education.
Here's a link to the website of a couple grown unschoolers if you want to
read their stories:
http://www.geocities.com/nikleba/ this one is for Laurie, who was raised
her entire life without a single lesson of any kind (in the formal sense) and
went on to college and higher level math. She just graduated not long ago
with excellent grades.
http://www.peterkowalke.com/unschooling/unschooling.html
Peter has run unschooler camps and outdoor adventures.
And I posted this before, and it's been passed around quite a bit, but I'll
post it again for anyone interested. It's the experiment with third world
countries and computers left in the open for people in the slum areas to use.
It just proves that people teach themselves!! A great article for anyone that
hasn't yet read it.
http://www.peterkowalke.com/unschooling/unschooling.html
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< I know we're all unschoolers. What I mean is, does anyone have
children (or have you?) that have grown up in an unschooling
situation? Or is unschooling too new for that? >>
I understood what you meant!
Helen (the owner of this list and HEM mag) was unschooled for a large part of
her education.
Here's a link to the website of a couple grown unschoolers if you want to
read their stories:
http://www.geocities.com/nikleba/ this one is for Laurie, who was raised
her entire life without a single lesson of any kind (in the formal sense) and
went on to college and higher level math. She just graduated not long ago
with excellent grades.
http://www.peterkowalke.com/unschooling/unschooling.html
Peter has run unschooler camps and outdoor adventures.
And I posted this before, and it's been passed around quite a bit, but I'll
post it again for anyone interested. It's the experiment with third world
countries and computers left in the open for people in the slum areas to use.
It just proves that people teach themselves!! A great article for anyone that
hasn't yet read it.
http://www.peterkowalke.com/unschooling/unschooling.html
Ren
Judie C. Rall
>they've lived and if they'd appreciate it.
> I've wondered for years if my kids would ever grasp what a different kind of life
Yes, the other day driving in the car with my 18 year old, we were
talking about something to do with clothes, and his friends, and how
he doesn't feel it necessary to be like everybody else, and he said,
"I am not into social conformity." I just wanted to hug him. I
said, "Son, out of all the things I've tried to teach you, even if
that's the only one you remember and have taken to heart, I'm
pleased."
Then followed a discussion of why, even though we don't HAVE to
conform, sometimes it's necessary, like he doesn't see the need to
dress in nice pants and a nice shirt for a job interview. He said,
that's not me, I'm not into that, I don't see why I have to wear it.
I said, well, you don't HAVE to, but I showed him on one of his job
applications where on the back there was a space for the interviewer
to write comments, and one of areas of comment was "appearance and
neatness." I said to him, even the stock boys down at the
supermarket where he had applied had to wear black pants and a white
button up shirt, and that's the place he is dying to work. I said,
you can make the choice to wear what you want, but the employer also
has the choice not to hire you. Unfortunately, appearance is still
strongly linked to a perception of competence.
Judie
Pamela Sorooshiantafti
I've wondered for years if my kids would ever grasp what a different kind of life they've lived and if they'd appreciate it. I mean - it is always possible that they'd grow up and think, "My parents made me DIFFERENT than everybody else and I wish ...." maybe wish that we'd made them do stuff more like other kids....because the truth is the unschooled kids ARE turning out to be different - it is more and more apparent to me as my kids move into adulthood that they, and their friends, are free-thinking, self-aware, can-do energetic people!! They may flounder a bit as they enter adulthood, trying to decide what to do with themselves, but I think that is because they are THINKING about what to do - they aren't on automatic pilot like so many schooled kids - they aren't on a track - not even the "graduate-go-to-college-get-a-good-job" track. Kids raised mindfully, raised to examine their own learning and to feel responsible for their own decisions and for the life they CHOOSE to lead - will continue to do that as young adults. So- be forwarned - it is wonderful to behold, but can be disconcerting to parents to watch their grown kids be so brave and creative and full of energy and confidence!!!
-pam
-pam
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In a message dated 9/1/03 8:35:25 AM, pamsoroosh@... writes:
<< I've wondered for years if my kids would ever grasp what a different kind
of life they've lived and if they'd appreciate it. I mean - it is always
possible that they'd grow up and think, "My parents made me DIFFERENT than
everybody else and I wish ...." maybe wish that we'd made them do stuff more like
other kids....because the truth is the unschooled kids ARE turning out to be
different >>
Marty (who is 14, not grown) said an interesting thing to me on the way home
from the conference. He said that kids who were always unschooled should go
to conferences before they have kids, so they'll know that the deal is about
unschooling, and what their parents were trying to do.
I could have told him "there are books and magazines," but I just let him do
the talking, and I thought about it.
Of my three kids, Kirby probably heard the most as a young child about why he
was getting to stay home (he thought it was a great idea). Marty and Holly
just came along in it, and missed the early agonizing (of which there was not
much anyway).
Holly, though, is very analytical about it all, and LOVES to see how other
families homeschool, and when she's in a formal situation with a teacher or
theater director or anything where an older person is managing a group situation
or even a one-on-one music lesson, she notices all kinds of subtleties.
Kirby is involved directly with other people's learning, as a one-time
Pokemon Gym Leader, and now Yu-Gi-Oh whatever, and he teaches games where he works,
helps organize things Magic tournaments, and he teaches karate. So he
analysis comes from those situations, and things his friends say, know, or don't know
(whether or not they went to school).
So I think it's just Marty whose thinking is not so much along the lines of
social interactions.
I've said for years I thought Marty was going to become a great husband and
father someday. I think he'll be a great parent. (Holly too, and Kirby maybe
depending more on who he marries. <g>) But one thing Marty thinks he needs is
to understand more about the hows and whys of unschooling.
Fascinating.
Sandra
<< I've wondered for years if my kids would ever grasp what a different kind
of life they've lived and if they'd appreciate it. I mean - it is always
possible that they'd grow up and think, "My parents made me DIFFERENT than
everybody else and I wish ...." maybe wish that we'd made them do stuff more like
other kids....because the truth is the unschooled kids ARE turning out to be
different >>
Marty (who is 14, not grown) said an interesting thing to me on the way home
from the conference. He said that kids who were always unschooled should go
to conferences before they have kids, so they'll know that the deal is about
unschooling, and what their parents were trying to do.
I could have told him "there are books and magazines," but I just let him do
the talking, and I thought about it.
Of my three kids, Kirby probably heard the most as a young child about why he
was getting to stay home (he thought it was a great idea). Marty and Holly
just came along in it, and missed the early agonizing (of which there was not
much anyway).
Holly, though, is very analytical about it all, and LOVES to see how other
families homeschool, and when she's in a formal situation with a teacher or
theater director or anything where an older person is managing a group situation
or even a one-on-one music lesson, she notices all kinds of subtleties.
Kirby is involved directly with other people's learning, as a one-time
Pokemon Gym Leader, and now Yu-Gi-Oh whatever, and he teaches games where he works,
helps organize things Magic tournaments, and he teaches karate. So he
analysis comes from those situations, and things his friends say, know, or don't know
(whether or not they went to school).
So I think it's just Marty whose thinking is not so much along the lines of
social interactions.
I've said for years I thought Marty was going to become a great husband and
father someday. I think he'll be a great parent. (Holly too, and Kirby maybe
depending more on who he marries. <g>) But one thing Marty thinks he needs is
to understand more about the hows and whys of unschooling.
Fascinating.
Sandra
Julie Solich
I've said for years I thought Marty was going to become a great husband and
father someday. I think he'll be a great parent. (Holly too, and Kirby
maybe
depending more on who he marries. <g>) But one thing Marty thinks he needs
is to understand more about the hows and whys of unschooling.
Fascinating.
Sandra
A couple of years ago I read something you wrote and you said you wanted
your kids to be kind, thoughtful, joyful, curious and compassionate. Those
words really stuck with me.
When you write about your kids I really get a sense of these qualities in
them. That must make you feel so good!
Julie
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father someday. I think he'll be a great parent. (Holly too, and Kirby
maybe
depending more on who he marries. <g>) But one thing Marty thinks he needs
is to understand more about the hows and whys of unschooling.
Fascinating.
Sandra
A couple of years ago I read something you wrote and you said you wanted
your kids to be kind, thoughtful, joyful, curious and compassionate. Those
words really stuck with me.
When you write about your kids I really get a sense of these qualities in
them. That must make you feel so good!
Julie
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