Suzanna and Darrell

>From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Re: Re: Re: curriculum


>In a message dated 4/30/02 11:48:22 PM, Burkfamily@... writes:

><< I get tired of cleaning up the messes. On go the diapers. Two weeks go
>by
>before I feel ready to "try again." I take off the diapers. The same
thing
>happens. Back we go on the diapers. Over and over. You know when they
>learn to use the potty? >>

>When they have the physical ability to know when, and the desire to do it
for
>themselves.

>Sandra


Suzanna here-

I have been lurking for a while, but I couldn't resist this. I decided
before I had my first child, who is now almost 21 y-o, that I would not mess
with "training pants". I made that decision after only one time seeing a
woman at church change her child who was wearing "training pants" and he had
pooped them. In the process of removing them, the poop got smeared all over
his legs - it was an awful mess to clean up. I decided right then and there
that my kids would come out of diapers when they were ready and we wouldn't
be messing with poopy training pants. My oldest was the easiest. For some
reason, my ds didn't have a clue what I was talking about when I tried to
talk to him about the potty, even by the age of three, so I let him run
around the house one day with a bare bottom, and I followed him everywhere
he went. He started to potty while he was playing, and I said "stop! do that
in the potty!" Then I scooped him up and took him to the bathroom, sat him
on the toilet, and told him he could finish there. That was it! After that
he only wore diapers to bed or when we went on trips. The day my only
daughter turned two, she said that she wasn't going to wear diapers anymore
because she was a big girl. She did real good for about 2 weeks, then
decided that it was too much trouble to come in from playing everytime she
had to go. So she asked for her diapers back. Much to my mother's
aggravation, I complied. She still used the potty occasionally, but stayed
in diapers until she was 3. At that time, she wanted to take dance lessons.
I told her they didn't let kids in diapers take dance lessons. She never
wore another diaper! She had the physical ability before then, but not
enough desire. Her desire for dance lessons was greater than her reluctance
to have playtime interupted for the potty, so ... she gave up the diapers.

So I can whole heartedly agree with Sandra, that they will use the potty
when they have both the physical/mental ability, and the desire.

Suzanna

Hazy_lilly

> with "training pants". I made that decision after
> only one time seeing a
> woman at church change her child who was wearing
> "training pants" and he had
> pooped them. In the process of removing them, the
> poop got smeared all over his legs - it was an awful
mess to clean up.



I was reading your post and wondered if the women in
the church removed the training pants as if it was
underwear? LOL My girlfriend did it that way and it
smeared everywhere. I had to explain to her that your
supose to rip them on the side like you would diapers!


I loved them because I didn't have to worry about the
tape not sticking. Iused them instead of diapers.

Hazel



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In a message dated 5/2/2002 12:45:14 AM Central Daylight Time,
truealaskans@... writes:


> So I can whole heartedly agree with Sandra, that they will use the potty
> when they have both the physical/mental ability, and the desire.
>
> Suzanna
>

I was only using this as a spring board for talking about curriculum. This
is what has worked for me with diapers. And as I said, I was presupposing
readiness. Even when mine have been ready, there have been some messes.
That just goes along with the territory, as far as I'm concerned. Diapers
weren't the point of my post.

Caro


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In a message dated 5/1/02 11:45:19 PM, truealaskans@... writes:

<< So I can whole heartedly agree with Sandra, that they will use the potty
when they have both the physical/mental ability, and the desire. >>

Same with math and reading!
Walking!
Riding a bike!

You can "make" a child "do math." They do it all the time in school. That
means you can cause them by threat or force or shame or whatever to sit and
put numbers on a piece of paper. But they're not really doing anything
themselves, and you can make them loathe numbers on paper.


Sandra

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. I had to explain to her that your
supose to rip them on the side like you would diapers!


That was my first thought and then I realized that 21 yo (or18 really) they
were probably cloth!
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein

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<<I was only using this as a spring board for talking about curriculum.
<big snip>. Diapers
weren't the point of my post.>>

I think many of us understand. Our list tends to spark alot of discussions
FROM discussions. That's all that happened. This is a pretty frequent
occurance.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein

Hazy_lilly

I used cloth diapers, when I was home. I try to use
things that are not biodigradable, but when I went out
I used the disposable ones! My environmental
conciousness went out the window. I tried the cloth
ones when I went out and Ugh, awful experience.

Hazel
PS
Can someone explain to me what (snip), and other
little words are supose to mean? I know LOL and Rofl,
but thats it.


--- ElissaJC@... wrote:
> . I had to explain to her that your
> supose to rip them on the side like you would
> diapers!
>
>
> That was my first thought and then I realized that
> 21 yo (or18 really) they
> were probably cloth!
> ~Elissa Cleaveland
> "It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern
> methods of instruction
> have
> not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of
> inquiry." A. Einstein
>
>
>
>


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on 5/2/02 11:01 AM, Hazy_lilly at hazy_lilly@... wrote:

> Can someone explain to me what (snip), and other
> little words are supose to mean?

[snip] means someone isn't quoting the whole quote, just a piece of it.

The only ones that are coming to mind right off hand are

ds/dd/dh which mean dear son, dear daughter, dear husband. Though the d can
mean whatever you want it to mean at the time ;-)

BTW = By the way

IMHO = In my humble opinion

I'm sure there's a webpage (or dozens!) that explains loads of others. Try
doing a Google (http://www.google.com) search on "internet shorthand". You
can tack on some shorthands that you're looking for specifically to narrow
the search down.

Joyce

Karin

Hazel, I did this too. I was home a lot when I had babies, so I mostly used
cloth, especially when they were infants. But when going out, changing a
poopy cloth diaper is the worst! A disposable is great for neatly
"containing" all the mess and then throwing the whole thing away. I feel I
at least did my small part for the environment using cloth diapers, as much
as I did. LOL!

Karin




> I used cloth diapers, when I was home. I try to use
> things that are not biodigradable, but when I went out
> I used the disposable ones! My environmental
> conciousness went out the window. I tried the cloth
> ones when I went out and Ugh, awful experience.
>
> Hazel
> PS

Betty Holder

----- Original Message -----
From: SandraDodd@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] diapers/ was curriculum



You can "make" a child "do math." They do it all the time in school. That
means you can cause them by threat or force or shame or whatever to sit and
put numbers on a piece of paper. But they're not really doing anything
themselves, and you can make them loathe numbers on paper.


Sandra

How true! How true!!
(example): My son was an A student in spelling when he went to public school, BECAUSE, we started on Sunday night MEMORIZING the spelling words for that week. We studied EVERY NIGHT unbtil spelling test on Friday, using little rhythm games and such to instill these words in his mind. FORCE!! 2 weeks later he couldn't spell 50% of them. Force does not constitute LEARNING! Being Forced to put numbers on paper does not teach them to *THINK* math!
I've found that building things helps us to learn math better than anything we do. We've built Bluebird houses from old barn lumber, bird feeders, etc. We even remodeled his bedroom and expanded it to include space for his personal things (stereo, computer, guitar amps, etc.) He is so capable of doing almost anything when left to his own *drive* and interests. Whereas now it is next to IMPOSSIBLE to FORCE him to do anything since he has experienced the joy of learning on his own. The joy of UNSCHOOLING!!!!
Still haven't decided what I'm to do about TN regulations next year but I know we're not going back to *structured* learning. (Books and papers, tests and grades that sort of thing.)
Betty- Mom to 14yo Josh





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In a message dated 5/2/2002 9:26:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
ElissaJC@... writes:


> I think many of us understand. Our list tends to spark alot of discussions
> FROM discussions. That's all that happened. This is a pretty frequent
> occurance.
>

I know this, too. I was just trying to do what I'd said before...explain
myself rather than being critical about the post.

Caro


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