Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Child Custody WAS ice cream for breakfast
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In a message dated 4/29/2002 7:54:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
that you would be putting yourself in legal danger by allowing your children
to have ice cream as and when they so desire. You are not in a situation
that would warrant such legal advice. You are, however (and I believe that
you know you are) unique in your situation. And you are fortunate in your
uniqueness, and to be envied. (And, perhaps, to be called as an expert
witness at trial??)
Many a woman could not allow her children to choose ice cream without paying
a price (and a steep one at that) in Court . . . should it come to that.
But, now, I fear, we are not discussing ice cream for breakfast anymore.
Should I change the subject line?
Kate Davis
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> You seem to be suggesting I'm putting myself in legal danger by this. INo, not really. I would not want to be misinterpreted as having suggested
> know
> you're wrong. The "prudent" thing is that I have for years provided them
> with choices, and they have made some damned good ones.
>
that you would be putting yourself in legal danger by allowing your children
to have ice cream as and when they so desire. You are not in a situation
that would warrant such legal advice. You are, however (and I believe that
you know you are) unique in your situation. And you are fortunate in your
uniqueness, and to be envied. (And, perhaps, to be called as an expert
witness at trial??)
Many a woman could not allow her children to choose ice cream without paying
a price (and a steep one at that) in Court . . . should it come to that.
But, now, I fear, we are not discussing ice cream for breakfast anymore.
Should I change the subject line?
Kate Davis
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In a message dated 4/29/02 6:13:23 PM, Katedavislawfirm@... writes:
<< You are, however (and I believe that
you know you are) unique in your situation. >>
I don't think so. I know lots of families with the same earned benefits.
<<(And, perhaps, to be called as an expert
witness at trial??)>>
I don't have a degree, so that's that.
Sandra
<< You are, however (and I believe that
you know you are) unique in your situation. >>
I don't think so. I know lots of families with the same earned benefits.
<<(And, perhaps, to be called as an expert
witness at trial??)>>
I don't have a degree, so that's that.
Sandra
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In a message dated 4/29/2002 10:07:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
families are unique.
degreed. Indeed, 'twould be an oxymoron, of sorts, so far as "unschooling"
is concerned.
Trust me. If unschooling should ever be an issue in any case in which I
represent the pro-unschooling parent, it is to this list that I will send a
call. Degreed or no, it is the skill and the experience I would seek.
Kate Davis
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> In a message dated 4/29/02 6:13:23 PM, Katedavislawfirm@... writes:If that is true (and I have no reason to disbelieve you), then all of those
>
> << You are, however (and I believe that
> you know you are) unique in your situation. >>
>
> I don't think so. I know lots of families with the same earned benefits.
families are unique.
> <<(And, perhaps, to be called as an expertThere is no requirement, at least in Florida, that an expert witness be
> witness at trial??)>>
>
> I don't have a degree, so that's that.
degreed. Indeed, 'twould be an oxymoron, of sorts, so far as "unschooling"
is concerned.
Trust me. If unschooling should ever be an issue in any case in which I
represent the pro-unschooling parent, it is to this list that I will send a
call. Degreed or no, it is the skill and the experience I would seek.
Kate Davis
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In a message dated 4/29/02 8:17:24 PM, Katedavislawfirm@... writes:
<< If that is true (and I have no reason to disbelieve you), then all of
those
families are unique.>>
If we're not the only ones, we're not unique.
It's not just unschoolers who came up with the idea of giving kids food
choices. I read an article about it when I only had one baby, in Mothering
Magazine.
<<>
You set up a very limited either/or, neither of which described the kernel of
unschooling as I see it. In my expert opinion <g>, what distinguishes
unschooling is the learning from life, not the goals and not the projects and
not the direction.
Perhaps the other 600 readers will respond, or you could just look back at
definitions of unschooling.
Sandra
<< If that is true (and I have no reason to disbelieve you), then all of
those
families are unique.>>
If we're not the only ones, we're not unique.
It's not just unschoolers who came up with the idea of giving kids food
choices. I read an article about it when I only had one baby, in Mothering
Magazine.
<<>
> << But is "unschooling" about "mom's goals" or is it about the child'sSo . . . . . how is not about the child's goals?>>
> goals?
>
> And, if it is about the child's goals, is it about how mom thinks the child
>
> should achieve those goals, or is about how the child thinks the child
> should
> achieve those goals? >>
>
> None of the above.
>
You set up a very limited either/or, neither of which described the kernel of
unschooling as I see it. In my expert opinion <g>, what distinguishes
unschooling is the learning from life, not the goals and not the projects and
not the direction.
Perhaps the other 600 readers will respond, or you could just look back at
definitions of unschooling.
Sandra
zenmomma *
>>You are, however (and I believe that you know you are) unique in yourHow so?
>>situation. And you are fortunate in your uniqueness, and to be envied.>>
>>But, now, I fear, we are not discussing ice cream for breakfast anymore.Well, yes, if you want to continue the discussion of problems women face in
>>Should I change the subject line?>>
court, in custody hearings. That would be a new topic. No? :o)
Remember the tag line:
~~~Don't forget! If you change the topic, change the subject line! ~~~
Life is good.
~Mary
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In a message dated 4/29/2002 7:17:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Katedavislawfirm@... writes:
your point on this. Sorry to keep asking but I feel like you are zinging
clever lines and they're whizzing past me. Since I'm not normally too dense,
I'd bet that they're whizzing past other people too.
--pamS
Some of what is said here may challenge you, shock you, disturb you, or seem
harsh. But remember that people are offering it to be helpful and what feels
uncomfortable to you might be just what someone else needed to hear.
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Katedavislawfirm@... writes:
> If that is true (and I have no reason to disbelieve you), then all of thoseAll unique? Does that make sense? Can you please elaborate, I'm not following
> families are unique.
your point on this. Sorry to keep asking but I feel like you are zinging
clever lines and they're whizzing past me. Since I'm not normally too dense,
I'd bet that they're whizzing past other people too.
--pamS
Some of what is said here may challenge you, shock you, disturb you, or seem
harsh. But remember that people are offering it to be helpful and what feels
uncomfortable to you might be just what someone else needed to hear.
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In a message dated 4/29/2002 7:27:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
significant, but it is the discarding of schoolishness -- no assignments, no
tests, no grades .
Once these schoolish trappings are discarded, what replaces them will vary a
lot from family to family. Some families may live calm, peaceful, bucolic
country lives - spending long days in their gardens or with their animals.
Others may spend their days going to art museums and their nights going to
the theater. Others may play lots of games or watch lots of movies or ......
--pamS
Some of what is said here may challenge you, shock you, disturb you, or seem
harsh. But remember that people are offering it to be helpful and what feels
uncomfortable to you might be just what someone else needed to hear.
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> You set up a very limited either/or, neither of which described the kernelIMO, it is not whether it is the kids' goals or the parents' goals that is
> of
> unschooling as I see it. In my expert opinion <g>, what distinguishes
> unschooling is the learning from life, not the goals and not the projects
> and
> not the direction.
>
significant, but it is the discarding of schoolishness -- no assignments, no
tests, no grades .
Once these schoolish trappings are discarded, what replaces them will vary a
lot from family to family. Some families may live calm, peaceful, bucolic
country lives - spending long days in their gardens or with their animals.
Others may spend their days going to art museums and their nights going to
the theater. Others may play lots of games or watch lots of movies or ......
--pamS
Some of what is said here may challenge you, shock you, disturb you, or seem
harsh. But remember that people are offering it to be helpful and what feels
uncomfortable to you might be just what someone else needed to hear.
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