vmpack

I joined this group last week. I will be getting off of it soon,
unless things change. I wanted a support group. A place where we
could tell of our joys, discouragements, ideas that worked or did
not... I got a lot of bickering. It is natural to disagree with
others. Disagreeing is one way that we learn from each other.
Instead of picking each other apart, why not take what you can learn
from each other and let the rest be. Who knows, maybe you will find
you are not that far apart. -Vicky

Liza Sabater

Or you can hang in there with all the other newbies like me and
reclaim it for what it should be --a place for exchanging ideas.



>I joined this group last week. I will be getting off of it soon,
>unless things change. I wanted a support group. A place where we
>could tell of our joys, discouragements, ideas that worked or did
>not... I got a lot of bickering. It is natural to disagree with
>others. Disagreeing is one way that we learn from each other.
>Instead of picking each other apart, why not take what you can learn
>from each other and let the rest be. Who knows, maybe you will find
>you are not that far apart. -Vicky

--
Liza Sabater-Napier
ESPAÑOL PARA TODOS
Mamá de Evan y Aidan Napier

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gruvystarchild

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "vmpack" <vpackard@m...> wrote:
>Instead of picking each other apart, why not take what you can learn
from each other and let the rest be. Who knows, maybe you will find
you are not that far apart. "

Yes. That's why it would be a good idea for those people that don't
like the way another person answers a post to keep their post aimed
only at answering the question instead of attacking the way an answer
is given.
I think we've all been advised of this numerous times!! It gets very
wearying when I answer a direct question to read a bunch of posts
about how I SHOULD have answered.
How about just answer the person in your own style and not worry
about how another person answers? PLEASE!!!
Ren

sharon childs

I agree with this. I also agree that if somebody doesn't like the way a
question is asked, or the WORDS used , or even the question itself, then
maybe they could delete rather than give a lecture or an unfriendly post or
an opinion of whether or not they have the right to be there.

Sharon

----- Original Message -----
From: "gruvystarchild" <starsuncloud@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:05 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: sad


> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "vmpack" <vpackard@m...> wrote:
> >Instead of picking each other apart, why not take what you can learn
> from each other and let the rest be. Who knows, maybe you will find
> you are not that far apart. "
>
> Yes. That's why it would be a good idea for those people that don't
> like the way another person answers a post to keep their post aimed
> only at answering the question instead of attacking the way an answer
> is given.
> I think we've all been advised of this numerous times!! It gets very
> wearying when I answer a direct question to read a bunch of posts
> about how I SHOULD have answered.
> How about just answer the person in your own style and not worry
> about how another person answers? PLEASE!!!
> Ren
>
>
>
> ~~~ Don't forget! If you change the topic, change the subject line! ~~~
>
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>
>

Tia Leschke

>I joined this group last week. I will be getting off of it soon,
>unless things change. I wanted a support group. A place where we
>could tell of our joys, discouragements, ideas that worked or did
>not... I got a lot of bickering. It is natural to disagree with
>others. Disagreeing is one way that we learn from each other.
>Instead of picking each other apart, why not take what you can learn
>from each other and let the rest be. Who knows, maybe you will find
>you are not that far apart. -Vicky

So true, Vicky. The moderator tries really hard to get people to stick to
issues and stay away from personalities and discussions of their posting
styles. If everyone could do that, they probably *would* find that they're
not so far apart. I know I've learned a lot from the disagreements about
unschooling. I think they have to happen for at least some of us to "get
it". It's the disagreements about the disagreements that get in the way. <g>

I hope you'll stick around.
Tia

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island

Fetteroll

on 4/21/02 10:10 AM, Liza Sabater at liza@... wrote:

> Or you can hang in there with all the other newbies like me and
> reclaim it for what it should be --a place for exchanging ideas.

It might help for any who are confused about what this list is about to read
the description of the list in the Welcome letter. It's been revised over
the past 2 weeks so some may not have gotten this particular letter. Helen
and I collaborated on the 2nd sentence in the 2nd paragraph and just added
that today.

Questioning *is* a part of this list, eg, "If they are both fun why would
you call one fun and one lessons?" which I *hope* is clear from "many
listmembers love a lively debate and questioning beliefs to their
foundations" in the description. If the wording is misleading, let me know.

Personal attacks, eg, "You're rude" should not be part of list.

If you're finding the list -- minus the personal attacks -- is different
than what is described here, *please* let me know so we can describe the
list better.

---- Unschooling-dotcom Welcome letter ----

Unschooling is the confidence to trust that young people will learn what
they need from living their lives in freedom and joy. An unschooling parent
is a facilitator and cheerleader who embraces life and learning with
curiosity and enthusiasm. An unschooled child is free to choose the what,
when, where and how of their learning -- from mud puddles to Shakespeare to
Spongebob Squarepants! If this sounds like it's for you or you'd like to
find out more about how video games and life in general are filled with
learning, come join us!

As discussed on this list and at the Unschooling.com website, unschooling is
*not* defined as the free learning kids do outside of parent-directed
learning, nor is it done on a part-time basis. Everyone with an interest in
unschooling is welcome to join this discussion, but we ask that you keep in
mind the purpose of this list, which is to discuss unschooling in ways
designed to help each other become unschoolers or become better at
unschooling. We advise reading for a week or two before posting to get a
"feel" for the list and its members, since many listmembers love a lively
debate and questioning beliefs to their foundations. If you have questions
about this list please feel free to contact list moderator Joyce Fetteroll
(jfetteroll@...)

This list and the Unschooling.com site were created and are still supported
by Home Education Magazine: (http://www.home-ed-magazine.com); Helen Hegener
(HEM-Editor@...) is the list owner.

Joyce
Unschooling-dotcom moderator

[email protected]

In a message dated 4/21/2002 7:17:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
liza@... writes:


> Or you can hang in there with all the other newbies like me and
> reclaim it for what it should be --a place for exchanging ideas.
>

.... about unschooling.

Yes. There is actually a lot of that in here, too, along with the
complaining.

--pamS


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Lynda

Or perhaps ask for clarification since we aren't all cut from the same
cookie cutter and e-mail is leaves out all the body language, etc., so what
we read may not be what the poster intended. A simple, "do you mean," or
"could you explain that more fully, I'm not sure I understood," or "do you
mean" might save a lot of the angst.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "sharon childs" <sugarcrafter@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: sad


> I agree with this. I also agree that if somebody doesn't like the way a
> question is asked, or the WORDS used , or even the question itself, then
> maybe they could delete rather than give a lecture or an unfriendly post
or
> an opinion of whether or not they have the right to be there.
>
> Sharon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gruvystarchild" <starsuncloud@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:05 AM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: sad
>
>
> > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "vmpack" <vpackard@m...> wrote:
> > >Instead of picking each other apart, why not take what you can learn
> > from each other and let the rest be. Who knows, maybe you will find
> > you are not that far apart. "
> >
> > Yes. That's why it would be a good idea for those people that don't
> > like the way another person answers a post to keep their post aimed
> > only at answering the question instead of attacking the way an answer
> > is given.
> > I think we've all been advised of this numerous times!! It gets very
> > wearying when I answer a direct question to read a bunch of posts
> > about how I SHOULD have answered.
> > How about just answer the person in your own style and not worry
> > about how another person answers? PLEASE!!!
> > Ren
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~ Don't forget! If you change the topic, change the subject line! ~~~
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > [email protected]
> >
> > Visit the Unschooling website:
> > http://www.unschooling.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ~~~ Don't forget! If you change the topic, change the subject line! ~~~
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> [email protected]
>
> Visit the Unschooling website:
> http://www.unschooling.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>