Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1968
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/20/02 9:54:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I am saddened however to see the degradation of topics, when a person
comes up with a question about how to get a 'lesson' across, I would be the
first person to give examples of how we learn in our home without the need
for lessons or workbooks, and also plenty of examples where my children
choose to use them, ask for them when we are in a bookstore, and guess what
folks .. I don't say to them "ohhh heaven forbid NOOOOOOO we are unschoolers,
its a horrible thing to learn from a workbook or lesson book....bite your
tongue child >>
Then why don't you answer her in that way?
Don't attack the way other people answer a post just because it's not the way
YOU would answer. Just hit delete and answer the person in the way you think
is most helpful.
"No one has a clue if this was the situation or not,"
I usually have a clue before I answer a post. How rude to assume I didn't.
She was asking specifically how to teach a lesson to a child.
Re-read the post if you're not sure.
My first post consisted of items I thought would be helpful, the second was
pointing out that in the unschooling context, lessons are not the best way to
learn.
In the future, it would be helpful for people to answer the original post
themselves, instead of attacking the way another person answers the post.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< I am saddened however to see the degradation of topics, when a person
comes up with a question about how to get a 'lesson' across, I would be the
first person to give examples of how we learn in our home without the need
for lessons or workbooks, and also plenty of examples where my children
choose to use them, ask for them when we are in a bookstore, and guess what
folks .. I don't say to them "ohhh heaven forbid NOOOOOOO we are unschoolers,
its a horrible thing to learn from a workbook or lesson book....bite your
tongue child >>
Then why don't you answer her in that way?
Don't attack the way other people answer a post just because it's not the way
YOU would answer. Just hit delete and answer the person in the way you think
is most helpful.
"No one has a clue if this was the situation or not,"
I usually have a clue before I answer a post. How rude to assume I didn't.
She was asking specifically how to teach a lesson to a child.
Re-read the post if you're not sure.
My first post consisted of items I thought would be helpful, the second was
pointing out that in the unschooling context, lessons are not the best way to
learn.
In the future, it would be helpful for people to answer the original post
themselves, instead of attacking the way another person answers the post.
Ren
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/20/02 9:54:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Perhaps answering those kinds of questions with support, explanations and
encouragement instead of "you aren't an unschooler, good-bye >>
I didn't think anyone had done that.
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<< Perhaps answering those kinds of questions with support, explanations and
encouragement instead of "you aren't an unschooler, good-bye >>
I didn't think anyone had done that.
Ren
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/20/02 9:54:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
Just in case anybody remembers, until about a week ago, I kept workbooks out
of reach of my children, believing they were too young to reach for them and
not "destroy" them.
After a considerable amount of angst and self-reflection, I put them on the
accessible bookshelf. >>
And this is exactly why I feel it is so important to discuss unschooling
ideas and philosophies and question people when something doesn't "fit".
'I think I am experiencing an "unschooling breakthrough."
(I have also just stopped listening to what I think the children "need" to
participate in, and started listening to what the "want" to participate in.)
Loving letting go'
It feels good doesn't it? Keep on keepin' on!!!!
Ren
[email protected] writes:
<<
Just in case anybody remembers, until about a week ago, I kept workbooks out
of reach of my children, believing they were too young to reach for them and
not "destroy" them.
After a considerable amount of angst and self-reflection, I put them on the
accessible bookshelf. >>
And this is exactly why I feel it is so important to discuss unschooling
ideas and philosophies and question people when something doesn't "fit".
'I think I am experiencing an "unschooling breakthrough."
(I have also just stopped listening to what I think the children "need" to
participate in, and started listening to what the "want" to participate in.)
Loving letting go'
It feels good doesn't it? Keep on keepin' on!!!!
Ren
sharon childs
Kate understood my post exactly as I had meant it. I am sorry that you did
not. I felt very attacked by your post.
Sharon
not. I felt very attacked by your post.
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: <starsuncloud@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1968
> In a message dated 4/20/02 9:54:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << I am saddened however to see the degradation of topics, when a person
> comes up with a question about how to get a 'lesson' across, I would be
the
> first person to give examples of how we learn in our home without the need
> for lessons or workbooks, and also plenty of examples where my children
> choose to use them, ask for them when we are in a bookstore, and guess
what
> folks .. I don't say to them "ohhh heaven forbid NOOOOOOO we are
unschoolers,
> its a horrible thing to learn from a workbook or lesson book....bite your
> tongue child >>
>
> Then why don't you answer her in that way?
> Don't attack the way other people answer a post just because it's not the
way
> YOU would answer. Just hit delete and answer the person in the way you
think
> is most helpful.
>
> "No one has a clue if this was the situation or not,"
>
> I usually have a clue before I answer a post. How rude to assume I didn't.
> She was asking specifically how to teach a lesson to a child.
> Re-read the post if you're not sure.
>
> My first post consisted of items I thought would be helpful, the second
was
> pointing out that in the unschooling context, lessons are not the best way
to
> learn.
> In the future, it would be helpful for people to answer the original post
> themselves, instead of attacking the way another person answers the post.
>
> Ren
>
>
>
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>
sharon childs
I feel bad that so much emphasis is being given on *exact words* . I really
think if people would read an entire post and not zero in on any *exact
words* then maybe there would be a lot less misunderstanding which leads to
conversations that just go in circles and get nowhere.
Just my two cents worth, for exactly what it is worth.
Sharon
think if people would read an entire post and not zero in on any *exact
words* then maybe there would be a lot less misunderstanding which leads to
conversations that just go in circles and get nowhere.
Just my two cents worth, for exactly what it is worth.
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: <starsuncloud@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1968
> In a message dated 4/20/02 9:54:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << I am saddened however to see the degradation of topics, when a person
> comes up with a question about how to get a 'lesson' across, I would be
the
> first person to give examples of how we learn in our home without the need
> for lessons or workbooks, and also plenty of examples where my children
> choose to use them, ask for them when we are in a bookstore, and guess
what
> folks .. I don't say to them "ohhh heaven forbid NOOOOOOO we are
unschoolers,
> its a horrible thing to learn from a workbook or lesson book....bite your
> tongue child >>
>
> Then why don't you answer her in that way?
> Don't attack the way other people answer a post just because it's not the
way
> YOU would answer. Just hit delete and answer the person in the way you
think
> is most helpful.
>
> "No one has a clue if this was the situation or not,"
>
> I usually have a clue before I answer a post. How rude to assume I didn't.
> She was asking specifically how to teach a lesson to a child.
> Re-read the post if you're not sure.
>
> My first post consisted of items I thought would be helpful, the second
was
> pointing out that in the unschooling context, lessons are not the best way
to
> learn.
> In the future, it would be helpful for people to answer the original post
> themselves, instead of attacking the way another person answers the post.
>
> Ren
>
>
>
> ~~~ Don't forget! If you change the topic, change the subject line! ~~~
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> [email protected]
>
> Visit the Unschooling website:
> http://www.unschooling.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/20/02 11:54:18 PM, sugarcrafter@... writes:
<< I feel bad that so much emphasis is being given on *exact words* . I
really
think if people would read an entire post and not zero in on any *exact
words* then maybe there would be a lot less misunderstanding which leads to
conversations that just go in circles and get nowhere. >>
And after that we could go to being more vague on ideas, and soon nobody
would criticize anything, but no good ideas would be exchanged either.
It's not MISunderstanding to point out when a concept is missing the mark, or
when unschooling isn't being seen clearly, and the closer a person is to the
idea, the more it's worth saying "just a little to the left," or "You're in
the right place, but turn around--it's right behind you."
There are lots of lists where people just welcome the heck out of each other
and praise all kinds of stuff and exchange recipes and talk about their dogs
and the weather and what they're planting in their yards. Some people love
social lists where there's no focus of subject.
When people are deciding whether and how to homeschool, they're often needing
some good, solid, clear information and quickly. There are experienced
unschoolers trying to help people understand clearly and quickly. And there
are often a few inexperienced ones complaining about it.
Sandra
<< I feel bad that so much emphasis is being given on *exact words* . I
really
think if people would read an entire post and not zero in on any *exact
words* then maybe there would be a lot less misunderstanding which leads to
conversations that just go in circles and get nowhere. >>
And after that we could go to being more vague on ideas, and soon nobody
would criticize anything, but no good ideas would be exchanged either.
It's not MISunderstanding to point out when a concept is missing the mark, or
when unschooling isn't being seen clearly, and the closer a person is to the
idea, the more it's worth saying "just a little to the left," or "You're in
the right place, but turn around--it's right behind you."
There are lots of lists where people just welcome the heck out of each other
and praise all kinds of stuff and exchange recipes and talk about their dogs
and the weather and what they're planting in their yards. Some people love
social lists where there's no focus of subject.
When people are deciding whether and how to homeschool, they're often needing
some good, solid, clear information and quickly. There are experienced
unschoolers trying to help people understand clearly and quickly. And there
are often a few inexperienced ones complaining about it.
Sandra