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Kate
I have a question regarding the kids taking classes at JC..
I havent done much research yet, what I'm interested in is anyone with personal knowledge, preferably in California..
Do you know what age they would have to be to take classes, and any other info on this, mine range from 12 to 14 all just about to move up to the next age...
Thanks in advance
Kate
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I havent done much research yet, what I'm interested in is anyone with personal knowledge, preferably in California..
Do you know what age they would have to be to take classes, and any other info on this, mine range from 12 to 14 all just about to move up to the next age...
Thanks in advance
Kate
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Lynda
Every one is different in CA. I worked at SRJC in Sonoma County. They
didn't have a minimum age. Up here at CR they don't allow anyone under the
age of 16.
However, they also have non-credit classes that have different rules and
regs than the credit classes have and the ages are set by the instructors in
those classes.
So, what you will have to do is check with the JCs nearest your home.
Lynda
didn't have a minimum age. Up here at CR they don't allow anyone under the
age of 16.
However, they also have non-credit classes that have different rules and
regs than the credit classes have and the ages are set by the instructors in
those classes.
So, what you will have to do is check with the JCs nearest your home.
Lynda
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From: "Kate" <kate_odriscoll@...>
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Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Totally Knew Thread *Question*
> I have a question regarding the kids taking classes at JC..
>
> I havent done much research yet, what I'm interested in is anyone with
personal knowledge, preferably in California..
>
> Do you know what age they would have to be to take classes, and any other
info on this, mine range from 12 to 14 all just about to move up to the next
age...
>
> Thanks in advance
> Kate
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Well just don't call them "JC" anymore <G>. No longer "junior colleges" --
they are "community colleges."
The ed code in California says that community colleges must be open to anyone
who is 18 or a high school graduate. They MAY be open to students under that
age. It is up to them. Most are - but they can set their own rules.
Most have some sort of form for underage kids to have their parents and their
school fill out. It usually requires a signature from a school counselor. If
you file an R4, then you have to sign it yourself and try to get them to
understand you are a private school.
They will often want to have you get approval from the instructor of the
class you want to take, as an underage student. Or it might be that you need
approval from the dean of admissions. Or you might need approval of someone
else at the college.
Most community colleges limit the number of units a younger student can take.
Some don't. Some have a list of courses that the underage student is not
allowed to enroll in -- human sexuality courses, for example. Some will not
allow underage students to take "remedial" courses - courses that they could
take at a high school, for example. Some will not allow courses that they
consider vocational - courses such as guitar, that could be taken elsewhere,
at a city recreation department, for example. Some colleges don't limit the
courses that underage students can take, at all.
The way to get started is to go get a copy of the college "catalog" and a
copy of the next session's schedule of classes. You can get them in the
college bookstore, probably. If not, try the admissions office. Look to see
if there is a course you want to sign up for. If so, you must apply for
admission to the college by filing an application just like any other
student. There will probably be an extra form for underage students, too. At
the college where I teach it is called a "bridging form." Take the
application form to the admissions office, they'll let you know if you need
an extra form. Get them filled out completely and turn them in.
You'll get a registration appointment. Some schools make underage students
take the very last registration times, which means the class might be closed
when you try to register for it. You can "petition" the class -- this means
show up on the first day and the teacher may let you in. I always let
everyone in who petitions my classes - as long as there are chairs for them.
Some teachers don't let anybody in.
So - those are the technicalities.
I'd like to also suggest that if a child cannot handle most of this process
her/himself, he is not ready for college. Although these are community
colleges, they are REAL college courses. An art class, for example, is not
like a city recreation department art class - it is an academic course where
serious studying and learning is expected. There will be exams and grades,
remember <G>.
You know how they always talk about your "permanent record?" Well - college
transcripts really are that. The courses a 13 yo takes at a college are on
those college transcripts forever.
Kids should be able to go to class on their own and handle whatever happens
there - meet all the requirements - just like any other college student. Few
13 yo's would be ready for that - many 16 yo's are.
I have heard reports of a number of community colleges "cracking down" on
underage students based on having had trouble with them. My college is one of
those. Although many underage kids do great - there have been a few that have
been problems, especially in the fine arts courses.
My now-17 yo started at 13, with a voice class. She went on to take more
music and then ceramics and has completed a large number of academic courses
-- about 60 units total. It has been a very positive experience for her.
My now-14 yo is there now, for her first semester. She is also taking a voice
class, but also website design and Intro to Opera (about opera - not singing
opera).
They both keep track of what they're doing at the college all on their own. I
do not even know about homework, tests, etc.
They are very excited about what they are learning and see the whole college
as a gigantic resource - filled with people who are there to share their
expertise with them.
--pamS
they are "community colleges."
The ed code in California says that community colleges must be open to anyone
who is 18 or a high school graduate. They MAY be open to students under that
age. It is up to them. Most are - but they can set their own rules.
Most have some sort of form for underage kids to have their parents and their
school fill out. It usually requires a signature from a school counselor. If
you file an R4, then you have to sign it yourself and try to get them to
understand you are a private school.
They will often want to have you get approval from the instructor of the
class you want to take, as an underage student. Or it might be that you need
approval from the dean of admissions. Or you might need approval of someone
else at the college.
Most community colleges limit the number of units a younger student can take.
Some don't. Some have a list of courses that the underage student is not
allowed to enroll in -- human sexuality courses, for example. Some will not
allow underage students to take "remedial" courses - courses that they could
take at a high school, for example. Some will not allow courses that they
consider vocational - courses such as guitar, that could be taken elsewhere,
at a city recreation department, for example. Some colleges don't limit the
courses that underage students can take, at all.
The way to get started is to go get a copy of the college "catalog" and a
copy of the next session's schedule of classes. You can get them in the
college bookstore, probably. If not, try the admissions office. Look to see
if there is a course you want to sign up for. If so, you must apply for
admission to the college by filing an application just like any other
student. There will probably be an extra form for underage students, too. At
the college where I teach it is called a "bridging form." Take the
application form to the admissions office, they'll let you know if you need
an extra form. Get them filled out completely and turn them in.
You'll get a registration appointment. Some schools make underage students
take the very last registration times, which means the class might be closed
when you try to register for it. You can "petition" the class -- this means
show up on the first day and the teacher may let you in. I always let
everyone in who petitions my classes - as long as there are chairs for them.
Some teachers don't let anybody in.
So - those are the technicalities.
I'd like to also suggest that if a child cannot handle most of this process
her/himself, he is not ready for college. Although these are community
colleges, they are REAL college courses. An art class, for example, is not
like a city recreation department art class - it is an academic course where
serious studying and learning is expected. There will be exams and grades,
remember <G>.
You know how they always talk about your "permanent record?" Well - college
transcripts really are that. The courses a 13 yo takes at a college are on
those college transcripts forever.
Kids should be able to go to class on their own and handle whatever happens
there - meet all the requirements - just like any other college student. Few
13 yo's would be ready for that - many 16 yo's are.
I have heard reports of a number of community colleges "cracking down" on
underage students based on having had trouble with them. My college is one of
those. Although many underage kids do great - there have been a few that have
been problems, especially in the fine arts courses.
My now-17 yo started at 13, with a voice class. She went on to take more
music and then ceramics and has completed a large number of academic courses
-- about 60 units total. It has been a very positive experience for her.
My now-14 yo is there now, for her first semester. She is also taking a voice
class, but also website design and Intro to Opera (about opera - not singing
opera).
They both keep track of what they're doing at the college all on their own. I
do not even know about homework, tests, etc.
They are very excited about what they are learning and see the whole college
as a gigantic resource - filled with people who are there to share their
expertise with them.
--pamS
Lynda
The name of some of the colleges "is" JC as in Santa Rosa Junior College and
Modesto Junior College. They all belong to the California Community
Colleges but they are still known as and named Jr. Hey some of them are
still named "city" colleges and "tech" colleges.
Here's a link to find the closest one and to get a copy of available classes
online http://www.cccco.edu/find/alphabetical.htm
Some of them have agreements with local ps districts and that has an effect
on their enrollment regs for under-age students. For example, locally, they
can only take two classes per symester and can't enroll until they are 16.
They have to take an entrance exam.
As to grades, they can op for a credit/no credit and choose no credit if
they think they won't get a B or better and that way it won't have an affect
on their GPA.
Also, a lot of the colleges offer online coarses and televised coarses.
These are another way of taking the classes without the stress of an actual
classroom.
Lynda
Modesto Junior College. They all belong to the California Community
Colleges but they are still known as and named Jr. Hey some of them are
still named "city" colleges and "tech" colleges.
Here's a link to find the closest one and to get a copy of available classes
online http://www.cccco.edu/find/alphabetical.htm
Some of them have agreements with local ps districts and that has an effect
on their enrollment regs for under-age students. For example, locally, they
can only take two classes per symester and can't enroll until they are 16.
They have to take an entrance exam.
As to grades, they can op for a credit/no credit and choose no credit if
they think they won't get a B or better and that way it won't have an affect
on their GPA.
Also, a lot of the colleges offer online coarses and televised coarses.
These are another way of taking the classes without the stress of an actual
classroom.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <PSoroosh@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Totally Knew Thread *Question*
> Well just don't call them "JC" anymore <G>. No longer "junior colleges" --
> they are "community colleges."
>
> The ed code in California says that community colleges must be open to
anyone
> who is 18 or a high school graduate. They MAY be open to students under
that
> age. It is up to them. Most are - but they can set their own rules.
>
> Most have some sort of form for underage kids to have their parents and
their
> school fill out. It usually requires a signature from a school counselor.
If
> you file an R4, then you have to sign it yourself and try to get them to
> understand you are a private school.
>
> They will often want to have you get approval from the instructor of the
> class you want to take, as an underage student. Or it might be that you
need
> approval from the dean of admissions. Or you might need approval of
someone
> else at the college.
>
> Most community colleges limit the number of units a younger student can
take.
> Some don't. Some have a list of courses that the underage student is not
> allowed to enroll in -- human sexuality courses, for example. Some will
not
> allow underage students to take "remedial" courses - courses that they
could
> take at a high school, for example. Some will not allow courses that they
> consider vocational - courses such as guitar, that could be taken
elsewhere,
> at a city recreation department, for example. Some colleges don't limit
the
> courses that underage students can take, at all.
>
> The way to get started is to go get a copy of the college "catalog" and a
> copy of the next session's schedule of classes. You can get them in the
> college bookstore, probably. If not, try the admissions office. Look to
see
> if there is a course you want to sign up for. If so, you must apply for
> admission to the college by filing an application just like any other
> student. There will probably be an extra form for underage students, too.
At
> the college where I teach it is called a "bridging form." Take the
> application form to the admissions office, they'll let you know if you
need
> an extra form. Get them filled out completely and turn them in.
>
> You'll get a registration appointment. Some schools make underage students
> take the very last registration times, which means the class might be
closed
> when you try to register for it. You can "petition" the class -- this
means
> show up on the first day and the teacher may let you in. I always let
> everyone in who petitions my classes - as long as there are chairs for
them.
> Some teachers don't let anybody in.
>
> So - those are the technicalities.
>
> I'd like to also suggest that if a child cannot handle most of this
process
> her/himself, he is not ready for college. Although these are community
> colleges, they are REAL college courses. An art class, for example, is not
> like a city recreation department art class - it is an academic course
where
> serious studying and learning is expected. There will be exams and grades,
> remember <G>.
>
> You know how they always talk about your "permanent record?" Well -
college
> transcripts really are that. The courses a 13 yo takes at a college are on
> those college transcripts forever.
>
> Kids should be able to go to class on their own and handle whatever
happens
> there - meet all the requirements - just like any other college student.
Few
> 13 yo's would be ready for that - many 16 yo's are.
>
> I have heard reports of a number of community colleges "cracking down" on
> underage students based on having had trouble with them. My college is one
of
> those. Although many underage kids do great - there have been a few that
have
> been problems, especially in the fine arts courses.
>
> My now-17 yo started at 13, with a voice class. She went on to take more
> music and then ceramics and has completed a large number of academic
courses
> -- about 60 units total. It has been a very positive experience for her.
>
> My now-14 yo is there now, for her first semester. She is also taking a
voice
> class, but also website design and Intro to Opera (about opera - not
singing
> opera).
>
> They both keep track of what they're doing at the college all on their
own. I
> do not even know about homework, tests, etc.
>
> They are very excited about what they are learning and see the whole
college
> as a gigantic resource - filled with people who are there to share their
> expertise with them.
>
> --pamS
>
>
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In a message dated 4/19/2002 1:44:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
lurine@... writes:
since that is in their name - those are the only two, I think, that still
have kept the name junior college. Anywhere else, I thought it might be
something people would like to know if they are trying to get their younger
kids enrolled --- that some of the community college people get a bit huffy
at being called a "junior" college. You may not want to annoy them when
you're asking them to let your "junior" enroll <BEG>.
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lurine@... writes:
> The name of some of the colleges "is" JC as in Santa Rosa Junior College andIf you are in Santa Rosa or Modesto, feel free to call them junior colleges,
> Modesto Junior College. They all belong to the California Community
> Colleges but they are still known as and named Jr. Hey some of them are
> still named "city" colleges and "tech" colleges.
>
>
>
since that is in their name - those are the only two, I think, that still
have kept the name junior college. Anywhere else, I thought it might be
something people would like to know if they are trying to get their younger
kids enrolled --- that some of the community college people get a bit huffy
at being called a "junior" college. You may not want to annoy them when
you're asking them to let your "junior" enroll <BEG>.
> > Well just don't call them "JC" anymore <G>. No longer "junior colleges" ----pam
> > they are "community colleges."
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