Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Crime Rate
sharon childs
Do you guys really believe this?
Could it be possible the crime rate is down because they simply are not
enforcing laws, issuing warrants or arresting people. Letting people plea
bargain down to nothing, paying off the system, etc. etc. etc. In Vegas the
cops are too busy commiting crimes to arrest people.
I have been too observant to ever believe the crime rate is down.
Sharon
Could it be possible the crime rate is down because they simply are not
enforcing laws, issuing warrants or arresting people. Letting people plea
bargain down to nothing, paying off the system, etc. etc. etc. In Vegas the
cops are too busy commiting crimes to arrest people.
I have been too observant to ever believe the crime rate is down.
Sharon
Tia Leschke
>Do you guys really believe this?I'm curious as to what you've been observing. I never watch TV news except
>
>Could it be possible the crime rate is down because they simply are not
>enforcing laws, issuing warrants or arresting people. Letting people plea
>bargain down to nothing, paying off the system, etc. etc. etc. In Vegas the
>cops are too busy commiting crimes to arrest people.
>
>I have been too observant to ever believe the crime rate is down.
for the week every summer that I spend at my mother's. She watches an hour
or two of news every night. I always thought that they seemed to go out of
their way to find crimes and violence and tragedy to report. Then I
started paying more attention. One night there would be the usual amount
of negative stuff reported from right around the Seattle area. The next
night there would be a couple of things from Seattle and a bunch more from
farther away. I finally realized that there was always the same amount of
negative stuff, but what varied was where the negative stuff was
happening. It's almost as if they have a quota for it. For what studies
are worth, it's been found that people who watch a lot of TV news tend to
believe that there's more crime and violence happening than there really is.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
sharon childs
For what it is worth I do not even get t.v. reception. When I do I watch
one or two shows a week maybe.
There is far more crime going on than they can fit in the news. When my
daughter and I were sitting in her living room and the front door came down
frame and all and there were two men standing there with shotguns pointed at
us, that was not in the news. When my other daughter was raped, that was
not in the news. When the crack heads down the road busted down my front
door and stold all the food and baby things, that was not in the news, when
a drive by shooter fired a shot that embedded in the chair 6 inches from my
heart, that was not in the news. 3 months ago another daughters car was
stolen and that was not in the news.
Bottom line is this......you think the crime rate is down and I think it is
not. I don't trust what the news says and I don't trust what the law
enforcement agencies say and my brother is a member of the secret service
and I do not trust what the government says. Some of us have had far
broader lives than others and you will never change my mind or convince me.
My life has been on the line too many times.
Anyway this is an unschooling list not a crime analysis list and I have had
enough of this particular subject.
sharon
There was a time in my life when I was young and naive and believed in all
those things.
one or two shows a week maybe.
There is far more crime going on than they can fit in the news. When my
daughter and I were sitting in her living room and the front door came down
frame and all and there were two men standing there with shotguns pointed at
us, that was not in the news. When my other daughter was raped, that was
not in the news. When the crack heads down the road busted down my front
door and stold all the food and baby things, that was not in the news, when
a drive by shooter fired a shot that embedded in the chair 6 inches from my
heart, that was not in the news. 3 months ago another daughters car was
stolen and that was not in the news.
Bottom line is this......you think the crime rate is down and I think it is
not. I don't trust what the news says and I don't trust what the law
enforcement agencies say and my brother is a member of the secret service
and I do not trust what the government says. Some of us have had far
broader lives than others and you will never change my mind or convince me.
My life has been on the line too many times.
Anyway this is an unschooling list not a crime analysis list and I have had
enough of this particular subject.
sharon
There was a time in my life when I was young and naive and believed in all
those things.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tia Leschke" <leschke@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Crime Rate
>
> >Do you guys really believe this?
> >
> >Could it be possible the crime rate is down because they simply are not
> >enforcing laws, issuing warrants or arresting people. Letting people
plea
> >bargain down to nothing, paying off the system, etc. etc. etc. In Vegas
the
> >cops are too busy commiting crimes to arrest people.
> >
> >I have been too observant to ever believe the crime rate is down.
>
> I'm curious as to what you've been observing. I never watch TV news
except
> for the week every summer that I spend at my mother's. She watches an
hour
> or two of news every night. I always thought that they seemed to go out
of
> their way to find crimes and violence and tragedy to report. Then I
> started paying more attention. One night there would be the usual amount
> of negative stuff reported from right around the Seattle area. The next
> night there would be a couple of things from Seattle and a bunch more from
> farther away. I finally realized that there was always the same amount of
> negative stuff, but what varied was where the negative stuff was
> happening. It's almost as if they have a quota for it. For what studies
> are worth, it's been found that people who watch a lot of TV news tend to
> believe that there's more crime and violence happening than there really
is.
> Tia
>
> No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
> Eleanor Roosevelt
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> Tia Leschke
> leschke@...
> On Vancouver Island
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In a message dated 4/16/02 12:56:13 AM, sugarcrafter@... writes:
<< Some of us have had far
broader lives than others >>
Perhaps your personal incidents weren't on the TV news, but were they
reported to the police? Statistics don't come from TV news.
My mother was raped by her brother. That wasn't reported to the police.
My sister was raped at knifepoint by two 20ish guys who raped several other
girls and one was eventually imprisoned. But she didn't report it because
they threatened her younger friend who wasn't even her boyfriend. She was 14.
I had a bookbag stolen with a new, maple alto recorder in it once.
My husband, as a teen, had an druggie ex-roommate steal all his albums to
pawn.
There's not been crime in my life. Either I lucked out or was careful or had
good karma or none of the above.
But the lack of crime in my life could be totally random, and it doesn't
affect the statistics.
Is a crime-hampered life really broader? Maybe the resultant fear would make
it smaller.
If others had "broader lives" would their personal stats match govt. stats
better?
Sandra
<< Some of us have had far
broader lives than others >>
Perhaps your personal incidents weren't on the TV news, but were they
reported to the police? Statistics don't come from TV news.
My mother was raped by her brother. That wasn't reported to the police.
My sister was raped at knifepoint by two 20ish guys who raped several other
girls and one was eventually imprisoned. But she didn't report it because
they threatened her younger friend who wasn't even her boyfriend. She was 14.
I had a bookbag stolen with a new, maple alto recorder in it once.
My husband, as a teen, had an druggie ex-roommate steal all his albums to
pawn.
There's not been crime in my life. Either I lucked out or was careful or had
good karma or none of the above.
But the lack of crime in my life could be totally random, and it doesn't
affect the statistics.
Is a crime-hampered life really broader? Maybe the resultant fear would make
it smaller.
If others had "broader lives" would their personal stats match govt. stats
better?
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/15/2002 10:21:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
leschke@... writes:
ds.htm+fbi+crime+statistics+consistency+changes&hl=en
This is a detailed description of the FBI Uniform Crime Reporting
methodology. Here is one interesting bit from it: >>Based on records of all
reports of crime received from victims, officers who discover infractions, or
other sources, law enforcement agencies across the country tabulate the
number of Crime Index or Part I offenses brought to their attention each
month. Specifically, the crimes reported to the FBI are murder and
nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault,
burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson.
Whenever complaints of crime are determined through investigation to be
unfounded or false, they are eliminated from an agency's count. The number of
"actual offenses known" is reported to the FBI regardless of whether anyone
is arrested for the crime, stolen property is recovered, or prosecution is
undertaken.<<
There is a lot more - they make herculean attempts to keep the statistics
consistent - the whole point is to be able to make comparisons over time. The
trends, especially very noticeable ones, such as the decreased violent crime
rate over the last decade, are probably quite accurate.
--pam
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
leschke@... writes:
> >Could it be possible the crime rate is down because they simply are nothttp://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:NaazvL5qIqoC:www.jrsa.org/jaibg/UCR_metho
> >enforcing laws, issuing warrants or arresting people. Letting people plea
> >bargain down to nothing, paying off the system, etc. etc. etc. In Vegas
> the
> >cops are too busy commiting crimes to arrest people.
> >
ds.htm+fbi+crime+statistics+consistency+changes&hl=en
This is a detailed description of the FBI Uniform Crime Reporting
methodology. Here is one interesting bit from it: >>Based on records of all
reports of crime received from victims, officers who discover infractions, or
other sources, law enforcement agencies across the country tabulate the
number of Crime Index or Part I offenses brought to their attention each
month. Specifically, the crimes reported to the FBI are murder and
nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault,
burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson.
Whenever complaints of crime are determined through investigation to be
unfounded or false, they are eliminated from an agency's count. The number of
"actual offenses known" is reported to the FBI regardless of whether anyone
is arrested for the crime, stolen property is recovered, or prosecution is
undertaken.<<
There is a lot more - they make herculean attempts to keep the statistics
consistent - the whole point is to be able to make comparisons over time. The
trends, especially very noticeable ones, such as the decreased violent crime
rate over the last decade, are probably quite accurate.
--pam
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
sharon childs
Crime hampered life? That is a pretty ugly thing to say I think.
I didn't say my life had been broader BECAUSE I had been a victim of crime.
I will not participate in one of these pointless timewasting debates. And I
will not sit and trade insults with you either.
Sharon
I didn't say my life had been broader BECAUSE I had been a victim of crime.
I will not participate in one of these pointless timewasting debates. And I
will not sit and trade insults with you either.
Sharon
Tia Leschke
>I was only pointing out an observation I'd made. I'm sorry that you've had
>
>Anyway this is an unschooling list not a crime analysis list and I have had
>enough of this particular subject.
>
>sharon
>
>There was a time in my life when I was young and naive and believed in all
>those things.
to deal with all these crimes. It would colour your impression of the world.
And maybe you'd like to think I'm young and naive. I'd certainly love to
be young again. At 53, I think I've seen a fair bit. <g>
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island