Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1887
Julie Stauffer
<<If they are supposedly known as being so tough on child abuse>>
There isn't any supposedly about it.
<<why didn't they prosecute the father and the doctor...and the mil>>
If there had been a pattern of abuse or neglect, they would have. What you
seem to be proposing is that these people be "fried" based on making a bad
decision with no indication that harm would come to those children. Surely
I am misunderstanding you. An analogy: I know dh is desperate for money.
He is way behind on bills, can't sleep, pacing the floor all night. I go
with him to banks trying to get loans, we re-work the budget, nothing helps.
He decides, without consulting me, to rob a bank and during the robbery a
teller is shot and killed. Does that make me responsible for the tellers
death?
We live next door to an adult foster home. The old ladies who live there
are incompetent to care for themselves. They need supervision to make sure
they are safe Several have schizophrenia, all live in a very different
universe than I do. My kids go over to play with the caregiver's
granddaughter. There has been no indication that any of these women are
violent. Does that mean I am negligent for allowing my kids to go play?
The vast majority of mentally ill people are victims of violence, not
perpetrator, as I'm sure you know.
Julie
There isn't any supposedly about it.
<<why didn't they prosecute the father and the doctor...and the mil>>
If there had been a pattern of abuse or neglect, they would have. What you
seem to be proposing is that these people be "fried" based on making a bad
decision with no indication that harm would come to those children. Surely
I am misunderstanding you. An analogy: I know dh is desperate for money.
He is way behind on bills, can't sleep, pacing the floor all night. I go
with him to banks trying to get loans, we re-work the budget, nothing helps.
He decides, without consulting me, to rob a bank and during the robbery a
teller is shot and killed. Does that make me responsible for the tellers
death?
We live next door to an adult foster home. The old ladies who live there
are incompetent to care for themselves. They need supervision to make sure
they are safe Several have schizophrenia, all live in a very different
universe than I do. My kids go over to play with the caregiver's
granddaughter. There has been no indication that any of these women are
violent. Does that mean I am negligent for allowing my kids to go play?
The vast majority of mentally ill people are victims of violence, not
perpetrator, as I'm sure you know.
Julie
Lynda
Example of neglect, usually prosecuted: You leave your children with a
caregiver with a history of mental illness that manifests itself in suicide
attempts. You leave your children in the home even though you know that the
woman does not want to be there and does want to be in a psych unit. You
leave your children in the home even though you see that this woman has not
bathed and isn't eating. You leave the children even though you know that
support will not be there for at least an hour. You leave the children
there even though several people have warned you that this women is not
stable and needs care herself.
Sorry, that is prosecutable and should be.
Example: You are a caregiver and you are suppose to be helping to care for
children at 9 a.m. You do not show up until several hours later and by that
time the children are dead.
Sorry, that is prosecutable and should be.
Example: Your patient is a diabetic who has a history of going into
diabetic comas. The family tells you the patient is in the same condition
she has been in just prior to all other times she has gone into a coma. You
say no admissions and, oh by the way, I am going to take the patient off her
medication. Patient goes into coma and subsequently dies.
Sorry, that is prosecutable and should be.
And, if those lols are paranoid schizophrenics who have a prior history of
violence, then no you shouldn't be letting your children play there IF the
patients are not medicated and closely monitored. However, there are many
forms of schizophrenia, so a blanket discription doesn't really tell what is
going on next door to you.
As to the bank robbery. Hey, you are a female, in TX they just might
prosecute you!
Lynda
caregiver with a history of mental illness that manifests itself in suicide
attempts. You leave your children in the home even though you know that the
woman does not want to be there and does want to be in a psych unit. You
leave your children in the home even though you see that this woman has not
bathed and isn't eating. You leave the children even though you know that
support will not be there for at least an hour. You leave the children
there even though several people have warned you that this women is not
stable and needs care herself.
Sorry, that is prosecutable and should be.
Example: You are a caregiver and you are suppose to be helping to care for
children at 9 a.m. You do not show up until several hours later and by that
time the children are dead.
Sorry, that is prosecutable and should be.
Example: Your patient is a diabetic who has a history of going into
diabetic comas. The family tells you the patient is in the same condition
she has been in just prior to all other times she has gone into a coma. You
say no admissions and, oh by the way, I am going to take the patient off her
medication. Patient goes into coma and subsequently dies.
Sorry, that is prosecutable and should be.
And, if those lols are paranoid schizophrenics who have a prior history of
violence, then no you shouldn't be letting your children play there IF the
patients are not medicated and closely monitored. However, there are many
forms of schizophrenia, so a blanket discription doesn't really tell what is
going on next door to you.
As to the bank robbery. Hey, you are a female, in TX they just might
prosecute you!
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Stauffer" <jnjstau@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1887
> <<If they are supposedly known as being so tough on child abuse>>
>
> There isn't any supposedly about it.
>
> <<why didn't they prosecute the father and the doctor...and the mil>>
>
> If there had been a pattern of abuse or neglect, they would have. What
you
> seem to be proposing is that these people be "fried" based on making a bad
> decision with no indication that harm would come to those children.
Surely
> I am misunderstanding you. An analogy: I know dh is desperate for money.
> He is way behind on bills, can't sleep, pacing the floor all night. I go
> with him to banks trying to get loans, we re-work the budget, nothing
helps.
> He decides, without consulting me, to rob a bank and during the robbery a
> teller is shot and killed. Does that make me responsible for the tellers
> death?
>
> We live next door to an adult foster home. The old ladies who live there
> are incompetent to care for themselves. They need supervision to make
sure
> they are safe Several have schizophrenia, all live in a very different
> universe than I do. My kids go over to play with the caregiver's
> granddaughter. There has been no indication that any of these women are
> violent. Does that mean I am negligent for allowing my kids to go play?
>
> The vast majority of mentally ill people are victims of violence, not
> perpetrator, as I'm sure you know.
>
> Julie
>
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