burial at sea
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<< I don’t have time to go looking up a law for you. I saw it on the news at
the time of his death. That was good enough for me. If you need more proof,
I suggest you go find it. >>
Sometimes the news is wrong.
That's an important concept for unschoolers, isn't it?
I think it's also important for people to be willing to back up their own
claims.
(Below is what I found. I didn't find there being a law against it. I found
something different, and interesting:)
http://www.cburial.com/religion_menu.htm
http://www.cburial.com/funerals_at_sea.htm
Eligibility
Active duty, retired, honorably discharged veterans and their family members,
U.S. civilian marine personnel of Military Sealift Command, other U.S.
citizens who are determined eligible by the Chief of Naval Operations because
of notable service and/or other contributions to our government.
That's eligibility for a military burial at sea. The ceremony and formations
are all shown on one of those pages. It's like having a military burial,
national cemetary, flag, however-many-gun salute. Those never military
aren't eligible.
Cremated remains into the sea is a whole different deal, and easily done by
charter boat or airplane it seems, from things I just read.
Here was a cremation/burial at sea page:
Three Easy Steps to Sea Burial
1. Call Sea Services Toll Free Answer Line at 1-888-551-1277 if you wish to
discuss your planning with an experienced counselor. Information about
charter services or biodegradable OceanUrn™ options are best answered with a
telephone call.
2. Complete the "Authorization for Burial At Sea" form, which you can print
from this site by clicking on the link above, or you can have mailed to you.
3. Insert the authorization form and your check or money order to "Sea
Services" for $195 in the outer cremated remains shipping container.
(California burials are less expensive due to less restrictive laws -- call
us.) Your telephone counselor can accept credit card payment or discuss any
other requests you may have.
Mail via U.S. Registered Mail, from a post office to:
Sea Services... (http://www.cburial.com/index2.html)
From a Canadian "funeral chapel"'s page:
Question: Can you bury the deceased at sea?
Answer: Federal government law must be adhered to with respect to a burial at
sea. Strict regulation and guidelines now make a burial at sea virtually
prohibitive. A permit application must be made well in advance of need (at
least 8 weeks). A notice of intent must be published in a local newspaper.
Proof of the notice must be sent to Environment Canada and include an
application fee. Other stringent regulations include nautical miles from land
for burial site and casket specifications. It is recommended that alternative
arrangements be made since burial at sea regulations and costs have become
very restrictive, and almost impossible.
My friend who works as a funeral director says the funeral homes don't tell
people their real options. Last time I talked to him he was getting more
and more involved in alternatives and home-burials and such, which for years
professionals have told people weren't legal, and they were lying to make
money (says Kevin Williams who's done this work for over 20 years). Rather
than telling people their actual rights, they would scare them away from any
but the traditional expensive stuff.
There's an article on JFK Jr. at
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/memorial990721.html, and there is
this sidebar.
Qualifications for At-Sea Burial
According to the U.S.Navy, there there are six eligibility requirements for
burial at sea:
1. Person was a member of the uniformed services.
2. Person was a retired member of the uniformed services.
3. Person was a former member, discharged under honorable circumstances.
4. Person was part of military sealift command or civilian marine personnel.
5. Person was a dependent of a member of the armed forces, or former member.
6. Other U.S. citizens who are deemed eligible by the chief of naval
operations for at-sea commitment due to notable service or outstanding
contributions to the United States.
So it didn't say it's illegal, per se. It's just that "burial at sea" is a
specific military ceremony, and so subject to military rules.
BUT WAIT--from another article...
http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/22/kennedy.plane.03/
-=-Sen. Kennedy had requested the burial at sea, saying it was his nephew's
wish to be cremated and his ashes spread on the waves.
-=-Permission granted for burial at sea
-=-The Kennedy family requested permission for burial at sea from a Navy
ship; the request was approved by Defense Secretary William Cohen. ...
Also, protocol allows sea burials of the children of decorated Navy veterans.
The late President John F. Kennedy was a naval officer wounded and cited for
heroism in World War II.
He was cremated. So were the others on the plane with him. So this was NOT
the 'burial at sea" in which a body in a weighted bag is slid off the edge.
So this doesn't even apply. Traditional "burial at sea" (letting a body off
because the sailor died while out on the ocean) was NEVER going to involve
cremation.
An article about a naval officer's dad (never in the navy) being buried at
sea:
http://www.c6f.navy.mil/pao/news/bas/burialatsea.asp
Sandra
the time of his death. That was good enough for me. If you need more proof,
I suggest you go find it. >>
Sometimes the news is wrong.
That's an important concept for unschoolers, isn't it?
I think it's also important for people to be willing to back up their own
claims.
(Below is what I found. I didn't find there being a law against it. I found
something different, and interesting:)
http://www.cburial.com/religion_menu.htm
http://www.cburial.com/funerals_at_sea.htm
Eligibility
Active duty, retired, honorably discharged veterans and their family members,
U.S. civilian marine personnel of Military Sealift Command, other U.S.
citizens who are determined eligible by the Chief of Naval Operations because
of notable service and/or other contributions to our government.
That's eligibility for a military burial at sea. The ceremony and formations
are all shown on one of those pages. It's like having a military burial,
national cemetary, flag, however-many-gun salute. Those never military
aren't eligible.
Cremated remains into the sea is a whole different deal, and easily done by
charter boat or airplane it seems, from things I just read.
Here was a cremation/burial at sea page:
Three Easy Steps to Sea Burial
1. Call Sea Services Toll Free Answer Line at 1-888-551-1277 if you wish to
discuss your planning with an experienced counselor. Information about
charter services or biodegradable OceanUrn™ options are best answered with a
telephone call.
2. Complete the "Authorization for Burial At Sea" form, which you can print
from this site by clicking on the link above, or you can have mailed to you.
3. Insert the authorization form and your check or money order to "Sea
Services" for $195 in the outer cremated remains shipping container.
(California burials are less expensive due to less restrictive laws -- call
us.) Your telephone counselor can accept credit card payment or discuss any
other requests you may have.
Mail via U.S. Registered Mail, from a post office to:
Sea Services... (http://www.cburial.com/index2.html)
From a Canadian "funeral chapel"'s page:
Question: Can you bury the deceased at sea?
Answer: Federal government law must be adhered to with respect to a burial at
sea. Strict regulation and guidelines now make a burial at sea virtually
prohibitive. A permit application must be made well in advance of need (at
least 8 weeks). A notice of intent must be published in a local newspaper.
Proof of the notice must be sent to Environment Canada and include an
application fee. Other stringent regulations include nautical miles from land
for burial site and casket specifications. It is recommended that alternative
arrangements be made since burial at sea regulations and costs have become
very restrictive, and almost impossible.
My friend who works as a funeral director says the funeral homes don't tell
people their real options. Last time I talked to him he was getting more
and more involved in alternatives and home-burials and such, which for years
professionals have told people weren't legal, and they were lying to make
money (says Kevin Williams who's done this work for over 20 years). Rather
than telling people their actual rights, they would scare them away from any
but the traditional expensive stuff.
There's an article on JFK Jr. at
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/memorial990721.html, and there is
this sidebar.
Qualifications for At-Sea Burial
According to the U.S.Navy, there there are six eligibility requirements for
burial at sea:
1. Person was a member of the uniformed services.
2. Person was a retired member of the uniformed services.
3. Person was a former member, discharged under honorable circumstances.
4. Person was part of military sealift command or civilian marine personnel.
5. Person was a dependent of a member of the armed forces, or former member.
6. Other U.S. citizens who are deemed eligible by the chief of naval
operations for at-sea commitment due to notable service or outstanding
contributions to the United States.
So it didn't say it's illegal, per se. It's just that "burial at sea" is a
specific military ceremony, and so subject to military rules.
BUT WAIT--from another article...
http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/22/kennedy.plane.03/
-=-Sen. Kennedy had requested the burial at sea, saying it was his nephew's
wish to be cremated and his ashes spread on the waves.
-=-Permission granted for burial at sea
-=-The Kennedy family requested permission for burial at sea from a Navy
ship; the request was approved by Defense Secretary William Cohen. ...
Also, protocol allows sea burials of the children of decorated Navy veterans.
The late President John F. Kennedy was a naval officer wounded and cited for
heroism in World War II.
He was cremated. So were the others on the plane with him. So this was NOT
the 'burial at sea" in which a body in a weighted bag is slid off the edge.
So this doesn't even apply. Traditional "burial at sea" (letting a body off
because the sailor died while out on the ocean) was NEVER going to involve
cremation.
An article about a naval officer's dad (never in the navy) being buried at
sea:
http://www.c6f.navy.mil/pao/news/bas/burialatsea.asp
Sandra
Lynda
"Burial at Sea is governed by a myriad of state and federal laws. Penalties
for violating these laws are oppressive. Nothing can be placed in the ocean
without proper reporting to the U.S. Government." Sea Services, Inc.
There are Coast Guard regulations that must be met. The military has their
own rules and regs for military personnel. Each state that borders an ocean
has their own laws. Each state has regulations regarding scattering of
ashes regardless of where. The EPA has regulations regarding scattering of
ashes regardless of where. The clean air and water acts also get into the
game. Other countries have their own laws.
The specifics on the JRK, Jr. burial at sea and the special permit had to do
with the use of the ship because he was not military.
Lynda
for violating these laws are oppressive. Nothing can be placed in the ocean
without proper reporting to the U.S. Government." Sea Services, Inc.
There are Coast Guard regulations that must be met. The military has their
own rules and regs for military personnel. Each state that borders an ocean
has their own laws. Each state has regulations regarding scattering of
ashes regardless of where. The EPA has regulations regarding scattering of
ashes regardless of where. The clean air and water acts also get into the
game. Other countries have their own laws.
The specifics on the JRK, Jr. burial at sea and the special permit had to do
with the use of the ship because he was not military.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <SandraDodd@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 10:25 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] burial at sea
> << I don’t have time to go looking up a law for you. I saw it on the news
at
>
> the time of his death. That was good enough for me. If you need more
proof,
>
> I suggest you go find it. >>
>
> Sometimes the news is wrong.
>
> That's an important concept for unschoolers, isn't it?
>
> I think it's also important for people to be willing to back up their own
> claims.
>
> (Below is what I found. I didn't find there being a law against it. I
found
> something different, and interesting:)
>
> http://www.cburial.com/religion_menu.htm
>
> http://www.cburial.com/funerals_at_sea.htm
>
> Eligibility
>
> Active duty, retired, honorably discharged veterans and their family
members,
> U.S. civilian marine personnel of Military Sealift Command, other U.S.
> citizens who are determined eligible by the Chief of Naval Operations
because
> of notable service and/or other contributions to our government.
>
> That's eligibility for a military burial at sea. The ceremony and
formations
> are all shown on one of those pages. It's like having a military burial,
> national cemetary, flag, however-many-gun salute. Those never military
> aren't eligible.
>
> Cremated remains into the sea is a whole different deal, and easily done
by
> charter boat or airplane it seems, from things I just read.
>
> Here was a cremation/burial at sea page:
>
> Three Easy Steps to Sea Burial
> 1. Call Sea Services Toll Free Answer Line at 1-888-551-1277 if you wish
to
> discuss your planning with an experienced counselor. Information about
> charter services or biodegradable OceanUrn™ options are best answered with
a
> telephone call.
>
> 2. Complete the "Authorization for Burial At Sea" form, which you can
> from this site by clicking on the link above, or you can have mailed to
you.
>
> 3. Insert the authorization form and your check or money order to "Sea
> Services" for $195 in the outer cremated remains shipping container.
> (California burials are less expensive due to less restrictive laws --
call
> us.) Your telephone counselor can accept credit card payment or discuss
any
> other requests you may have.
> Mail via U.S. Registered Mail, from a post office to:
>
> Sea Services... (http://www.cburial.com/index2.html)
>
>
> >From a Canadian "funeral chapel"'s page:
>
> Question: Can you bury the deceased at sea?
> Answer: Federal government law must be adhered to with respect to a burial
at
> sea. Strict regulation and guidelines now make a burial at sea virtually
> prohibitive. A permit application must be made well in advance of need (at
> least 8 weeks). A notice of intent must be published in a local newspaper.
> Proof of the notice must be sent to Environment Canada and include an
> application fee. Other stringent regulations include nautical miles from
land
> for burial site and casket specifications. It is recommended that
alternative
> arrangements be made since burial at sea regulations and costs have become
> very restrictive, and almost impossible.
>
>
> My friend who works as a funeral director says the funeral homes don't
tell
> people their real options. Last time I talked to him he was getting more
> and more involved in alternatives and home-burials and such, which for
years
> professionals have told people weren't legal, and they were lying to make
> money (says Kevin Williams who's done this work for over 20 years).
Rather
> than telling people their actual rights, they would scare them away from
any
> but the traditional expensive stuff.
>
> There's an article on JFK Jr. at
> http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/memorial990721.html, and there
is
> this sidebar.
>
> Qualifications for At-Sea Burial
> According to the U.S.Navy, there there are six eligibility requirements
for
> burial at sea:
>
> 1. Person was a member of the uniformed services.
> 2. Person was a retired member of the uniformed services.
> 3. Person was a former member, discharged under honorable circumstances.
> 4. Person was part of military sealift command or civilian marine
personnel.
> 5. Person was a dependent of a member of the armed forces, or former
member.
> 6. Other U.S. citizens who are deemed eligible by the chief of naval
> operations for at-sea commitment due to notable service or outstanding
> contributions to the United States.
>
>
> So it didn't say it's illegal, per se. It's just that "burial at sea" is
a
> specific military ceremony, and so subject to military rules.
>
> BUT WAIT--from another article...
> http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/22/kennedy.plane.03/
>
> -=-Sen. Kennedy had requested the burial at sea, saying it was his
nephew's
> wish to be cremated and his ashes spread on the waves.
>
> -=-Permission granted for burial at sea
>
> -=-The Kennedy family requested permission for burial at sea from a Navy
> ship; the request was approved by Defense Secretary William Cohen. ...
> Also, protocol allows sea burials of the children of decorated Navy
veterans.
> The late President John F. Kennedy was a naval officer wounded and cited
for
> heroism in World War II.
>
> He was cremated. So were the others on the plane with him. So this was
NOT
> the 'burial at sea" in which a body in a weighted bag is slid off the
edge.
> So this doesn't even apply. Traditional "burial at sea" (letting a body
off
> because the sailor died while out on the ocean) was NEVER going to involve
> cremation.
>
>
> An article about a naval officer's dad (never in the navy) being buried at
> sea:
> http://www.c6f.navy.mil/pao/news/bas/burialatsea.asp
>
> Sandra
>
>
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